Can the beast really break statue?

[Max and Omnis]

I'm trying so hard to make him break statue right now but it doesn't seem to work.

I've made him done every type of attacks to the statue I've used the shard. Multiple times.

And of course, I've used the shard during the fight, not beforehand.

Has anyone actually done it? Rather than heard somebody done it?

[nangasaur]

Originally posted by Han:

Originally posted by nangasaur:

You wanted to know how to get Beast to break the statue. I told you how:you must get Beast to go through a phase. That is entirely relevant. What part of this are you not understanding? BRB, making you a popup book.

SAYING IT IS APPARENT. Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot or what?

*in my best, deepest, ogre voice*

Boss phases are apparent.
Secrets are not apparent.
Boss phases are not secrets.
Getting Commander or Beast to break statue is a secret.

Just let me finish your popup book because words are just not working for you.

[Max and Omnis]

Originally posted by nangasaur:

Originally posted by Han:

SAYING IT IS APPARENT. Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot or what?

*in my best, deepest, ogre voice*

Boss phases are apparent.
Secrets are not apparent.
Boss phases are not secrets.
Getting Commander or Beast to break statue is a secret.

Just let me finish your popup book because words are just not working for you.

LOL. You don't even know what the first person talked about apparent said. LOL You don't even know what I said isn't apparent. What a ♥♥♥♥ing ♥♥♥♥♥♥. LOL Why are you even talking, idiot?

[Max and Omnis]

Originally posted by Nuerion:

aparantly after he takes enough damage he will go break it thats the way it went with commander fight his regular attacks wont break it

I said what Nuerion said isn't apparent, and YOU suddenly pointed out that bosses have phases irrelevantly to the subject according to your current idiotic opinion.

Just like I said to you befeore, learn to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ read, before you talk like a smartass. Idiot.

[nangasaur]

The phases of bosses are entirely relevant to this topic. They're relevant, because you must get Commander or Beast to go through a phase in order to get them to break the statue.

Popup book is almost done. It's going to be epic. Hold on a few more minutes.

[Max and Omnis]

Originally posted by nangasaur:

The phases of bosses are entirely relevant to this topic. They're relevant, because you must get Commander or Beast to go through a phase in order to get them to break the statue.

Popup book is almost done. It's going to be epic. Hold on a few more minutes.

And yet there isn't even a slightest hint how they are relevant. Very apparent.

How many times will you make me say this over and over again?

[nangasaur]

Why do you need a hint that they are related? You have to fight the boss anyways. Just putting the stone into the statue and carrying on with fighting the boss will inevitably lead to it breaking the statue automatically, without you doing anything else or even knowing about it. You don't NEED to know it. You just need to insert stone, then fight the boss.

[Max and Omnis]

Originally posted by nangasaur:

Why do you need a hint that they are related? You have to fight the boss anyways. Just putting the stone into the statue and carrying on with fighting the boss will inevitably lead to it breaking the statue automatically, without you doing anything else or even knowing about it. You don't NEED to know it. You just need to insert stone, then fight the boss.

Oh yeah. Not knowing how to do it is VERY APPARENT, right? Not knowing what will make the beast break the statue is so apparent, right? The definition of apparent is not knowing, right?

[Max and Omnis]

Besides your idiotic insist about what there is no relevance is relevant entire time, what you just said is beyond idiotic.

Originally posted by nangasaur:

Why do you need a hint that they are related? You have to fight the boss anyways.

Why do I need a hint that they are related? Do you even know what 'solving a secret' means? I bet you solve riddles by keep giving random shots/guesses.

[nangasaur]

Give me break, man. I'm still working on your popup book.

[Max and Omnis]

Originally posted by nangasaur:

Give me break, man. I'm still working on your popup book.

I hope that book is 'relevant' to the subject since it is 'apparent' that you seem a bit confused what those words mean.

[Drekavil]

Wow, who pissed in your cheerios. Nan is right btw, you have to get either the Beast or Commander's health down a certain percentage before he'll destroy the statue with the Shard of Heroes in it. If you didn't want someone to tell you something, why did you post of the forms about it. Don't bother replying if you're just going ot be a ♥♥♥♥ abou it.

[rikuzero]

Google led me here, and I finally found the reasons as to why I could not get the statue to break: 1. Not pray to the statue before the Commander nor Beast try to destroy it,
2. Actually get the boss to change phases,
and maybe 3. insert the shard only during the fight, not before.

As regards to nangasaur's and Han's argument, I must say there is such a persistent misunderstanding and too much repetition in an attempt to resolve said misunderstanding:

Originally posted by Praise The Sun:

Originally posted by Nuerion:

aparantly after he takes enough damage he will go break it thats the way it went with commander fight his regular attacks wont break it

I've done it but It is not really aparent when no one talks about boss needs to take enough damage and he will go break by himself, not by lured.

--Nuerion said that the Commander boss needs to change attack pattern phases for whatever new powerful attack(s) is able to break the statue, using 'apparently' in a way to mean 'evidently,' suggesting "regardless of what reasoning is involved, a fact is that this happens:" and commonly understood as implying "I don't know the reason it happens" or "I didn't expect it."
--Then Han/PtS either in a response to "apparently" or separately as his own opinion on the non-obvious nature of "if the boss wasn't able to break the statue when I led his giant-ass blade (or shield) to it while he's wholeheartedly swinging with the intent to kill, why should the same big-ass blade (or shield) suddenly now instantly break the thing with a slight motivation of pain after being beaten to a pulp?" With how I phrased it, it's apparent what I agree with. It's pretty much comparable to some shounen manga/anime that has a guy not even able to punch a hole in a wall, then suddenly anger leads him to blast a gigantic crater in a street.

Originally posted by Praise The Sun:

Originally posted by nangasaur:

Originally posted by Han:

I've done it but It is not really aparent when no one talks about boss needs to take enough damage and he will go break by himself, not my lured.

Not really apparent? By the time you've killed the 1st Warden, it's really apparent that each boss has different phases, and that you trigger those phases by doing enough damage to them.

But as an aside, secrets (which the statue is), are not supposed to be readily apparent.

Paying attention to the lore audio logs tells you what to do with the Shard of the Heroes.

So you replied this suddenly to point out that bosses have phases irrelevantly to the subject when me and Nuerion are talking about the secret. Is that what you are saying?

--Then, evidently by replying with "not really apparent?" and then giving reasons as to why said statement is true (a communication syntax understood just as much as sarcasm is), nangasaur claims Han/PtS said what's not apparent is that the Commander has a different phase (even though phase transition isn't as apparent as the Warden's armor breaking and shield dropping, but instead just "Wait, now he summons minions and raining shields?").

To summarize the difference and thus the heart of the misunderstanding, let me give a quote that was restated but apparently entirely ignored several times:

Originally posted by Praise The Sun:

Is there any, one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ single hint that the beast needs to take certain amount of damage to feel like to break a statue?

And then here's the other idea that nangasaur misunderstandingly thought was said to the contrary:

Originally posted by nangasaur:

Boss phases are apparent.
Secrets are not apparent.
Boss phases are not secrets.
Getting Commander or Beast to break statue is a secret.

Well actually, the last part nangasaur said "getting Commander or Beast to break statue is a secret" is directly contrary to his first "not really apprent?" response that sparked this battle, unless something can simultaneously be "secret" and "apparent," which from my understanding are nearly complete opposites. Regardless, both these 2 quotes are in fact true.

Originally posted by Drek:

Wow, who pissed in your cheerios. Nan is right btw, you have to get either the Beast or Commander's health down a certain percentage before he'll destroy the statue with the Shard of Heroes in it. If you didn't want someone to tell you something, why did you post of the forms about it. Don't bother replying if you're just going ot be a ♥♥♥♥ abou it.

And now I explained why Han/PtS is entirely right (excluding the insults) and nangasaur's pointed out ideas are right (excluding the insults), just nangasaur spoke of different but related concepts. nangasaur's just wrong to say that Han's wrong, and Han's right to say that nangasaur's been misunderstanding. And because of this, consequentially that means you're wrong as well, but that doesn't matter.

Onto my story regarding this mess of an achievement:
=I first had to look up where the most secretive item in the game, the Shard of Heroes, was hiding, then read a few clear explanations on what you do with the shard.
=I proceeded into the Commander fight, gave the stone to the rogue statue, spent nearly 10 minutes getting the boss to send every of his starting attacks at all 6 statues in the arena (mostly tried the rogue statue), then considered this particular situation a bug within this game flooded with crashes and reset the game.
=Then I tried to "fully use up the statue" by running to the rogue statue, giving it the shard, and praying to it before the actual boss fight started up. Now you see where my #1 and #3 (top of this post) came from.
=I decided to continue this boss fight, constantly being around the statues for him to hit as collateral damage to no avail, obviously after he had changed phases, which seemed proven wrong as a condition because of this and seemed obviously wrong a condition to consider in the first place, explained throughout this argument of a thread.
==Now you're probably wondering, "What do you mean by 'actually get' in your #2, riku?" Well, that's a good question, as it was a matter that came in the Beast fight. In my NG, I went heavy sword/shield warrior and fought the Beast, witnessing all his changed phase poison spitting and poison weapon buffing (f*cking poison buff) and possibly knocking him down if you count that as phase changing, but in NG+ I had respecced and wanted to show off my 21 faith and flawless fire rune by ranging the entire fight with my gauntlet, shooting his legs. Not a single time did he fall down or use poison. When I try to recall ranging a boss with this flawless fire projectile gauntlet and causing phase changes, all I can think of is 1 shot singlehandedly causing the Champion's rage meter to go up to about 60%.
=="Why should you even mention this" you say? I'm giving an example that proves why it can actually not be apparent that the Beast can even change phases, or that the only "changing phase" is him doing that spike stomp, which if he actually requires the poison buff/spitting phase change to break the statue, then somebody's bound to kill the Commander, later find the Shard of Heroes, enter the Beast fight, decided to range the fight with the gauntlet, while keeping a good distance back against 1 of the 3 statues and notice an interaction option, give the shard, then finish the boss fight without Beast ever breaking the thing. All that would give somebody a great true story to tell, regarding why his Beast in fact did not destroy his statue when he practically did every condition people know of. Everybody would likely call him a liar, however.

I seriously wonder why the hell about 5.8% of people on ps4 have this trophy, when beating the game as a rogue or cleric is like 3% each and the audio logs one, special weapons one, and special armor one are all around 1%, and I got the audio log and armor ones before NG+ without even looking up their locations.

[rikuzero]

Originally posted by Severus:

hey host guy i see you have Treasure left alone and the void one.
Did you get them in NG only or split over NG and NG+ ? I have a feling it has to be done in NG as it's bugged.

"Treasure left alone," "No one can hear you scream," and "Are you not entertained" are achievements for clearing each type of challenge portal, the ones you have to beat a boss to enter each one. The types, in order of what I called them, are:
--treasure chambers (all you do is loot a few chests; don't gotta fight),
--endless voids (usually chase a ball of light in the darkness), and
--proving grounds (step on a button on the ground to fight waves of enemies).

I got all 3 of those achievements in NG, and I doubt the number completed carry over.
I think their locations are:
1. in the Citadel beginning of the game before the first boss (First Warden) -Treasure Chamber-
2. at the Square of Heroes, up the stairs after beating the shield boss (Commander) -Infinite Void-
3. on the stair path down to the Cemetary after beating the scythe boss (Worshipper) -Proving Grounds-
4. again by the Cemetary but closer to the Pathway portal after beating the giant poison thing at the Square of Heroes (Beast) -Infinite Void-
5. somewhere in a room in the Catacombs close to the main entrance path on the right after beating the raging fist boss (Champion) -Proving Grounds-
6. in the Rhogar realm, just past 1 of those small gates on the side of the giant arena where you fought the boss dual-wielding fire swords after beating him (Guardian) -Infinite Void-
7. in the Rhogar realm, up 1 of the stairs next to the arena that had the giant blue pillar of light in the middle after beating the spider boss (Infiltrator) -Treasure Chamber-
8. in the Chamber of Lies (further in the Rhogar realm; last area), next to the big stairs (next to an entrance & save point) leading up to the lightning boss (Annihilator) -Treasure Chamber-
9. right where you're teleported to after the 'discussion' after entering the portal past the Annihilator boss. -Proving Grounds-
10. along the path you take for progression from the Flooded Chambers in the Citadel at this part in the story after beating the fire and lightning duo boss (Missing Brothers) -Proving Grounds-

[Nicholas Steel]

Nangasaur, just... run, run as far away as is possible from this guy. It's not worth the hassle dealing with this dudes thick, dense, empty skull. Your posts up to the 31st post in this thread perfectly explain what your pointing out. No need to elaborate.

He's just too, dumb, to, comprehend, english. Maybe english isn't his native language? Which somewhat excuses him (Not really).

[rikuzero]

Originally posted by Severus:

thanks for the reply..I'm missing a Hammer i think it is in the chalenge portal with Lords armor so maybe my fault is not returning to them twice or three times to exhaust the chest spawns.i'll look into it.

If it will help, I got the 12 special weapons and the armor set achievements on ps4 without re-entering any challenge portals.