seems you cant kill leviathans anymore (spoiler)

[𝑷𝒓𝒐𝒇. 𝕏]

Well, the gas pods still work on the small/mid size creatures, but leviathan class seem to be immune now.
I did experiments with the ampeel for a high hitpoint smaller creature and all goes well. but for the reaper/ghost, they seem to take being force fed poison like it never even happened. For a ghost I fed 3-4 large packs and .... nothing. I just did a reaper to verify with 2 34 pack in its mouth nice tasty treats and it didn't even blink.

Is this supposed to be the new behavior or is this a bug?

[𝑷𝒓𝒐𝒇. 𝕏]

Publicado originalmente por Ignis:

One gaspod deals 100 damage over 10 seconds.

The fact you need less is a bug.

And nothing was done about it. No nerf, no fixing that bug.

@Ignis,
As you can see in my post above, I gave a reaper 68 pods worth of damage with no effect (in two sessions spaced by about a minute) if what you are saying is correct then that would have been 6800 dmg for a 5000 hp creature. Something is off.

[Ignis]

Publicado originalmente por 𝑷𝒓𝒐𝒇. 𝕏:

Publicado originalmente por Ignis:

One gaspod deals 100 damage over 10 seconds.

The fact you need less is a bug.

And nothing was done about it. No nerf, no fixing that bug.

@Ignis,
As you can see in my post above, I gave a reaper 68 pods worth of damage with no effect (in two sessions spaced by about a minute) if what you are saying is correct then that would have been 6800 dmg for a 5000 hp creature. Something is off.

https://youtu.be/Heki2G2oDxk
I can guarantee you that if you want to make your world boring, you still can.

[dreamrider]

Its more fun with a Seamoth PDS "dance".

[admiral1018]

Publicado originalmente por 𝑷𝒓𝒐𝒇. 𝕏:

Publicado originalmente por Ignis:

One gaspod deals 100 damage over 10 seconds.

The fact you need less is a bug.

And nothing was done about it. No nerf, no fixing that bug.

@Ignis,
As you can see in my post above, I gave a reaper 68 pods worth of damage with no effect (in two sessions spaced by about a minute) if what you are saying is correct then that would have been 6800 dmg for a 5000 hp creature. Something is off.

Leviathan hitbox can be finicky in addition to the bug that Ignis described. It may just have been that those gaspods weren't actually hitting the Reaper.

[KippenKaasBaas]

Publicado originalmente por dreamrider:

Mr. Stuffy? Kippen? Dragonborn? DOT doesn't follow the forum, but I will ask in the comments section of his guide.

OP most likely did something wrong. Maybe he didn't drop the pods close enough. Or he IS experiencing some kind of bug. Who knows.

[Sputnik]

I've been trying to get the figures on that myself in the guide below.

A single Gas Pod does up to 95 damage to anything lingering in it's cloud the whole time. So let's say, on average, you get 50 damage on a moving target. That means you can expect to offload around 100 gas pods onto a Reaper with 5000 HP.

The stats for gas torpedoes are a little different though

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2934176382

[admiral1018]

The behavior for the gaspods doesn't work as intended, though (or at least it didn't). We had a topic about this at the end of 2021 (using experimental), and we could reliably kill a Sea Dragon with exactly 27 gaspods. Any less would never seem to work, but 27 could be replicated. This should be impossible based on their programmed damage, but the results were consistent.

I have no idea if this was eventually fixed, but the gaspods do sometimes seem to hit way more often than they should, something many of us have experienced when we've died within a few seconds in a gas cloud at full health. Without knowing exactly how that bug works, it's hard to say how the gaspods or torpedoes will reliably cause damage.

[Sputnik]

BTW I only tested against Sea Treaders as they're slow, leviathan class, and don't bite me.

If anyone goes the full Monty against a Reaper, and counts their hits, please let me know if I need to update my guide.

Ta

[dreamrider]

@Sputnik,
Ignis, the UWE moderator for this forum, just confirmed for us, in the last post on the 1st page of this thread, that:

1 gas pod does 100 HP damage, over 10 seconds.
(My add: All other things being static.)

Re your other question, about people's repeatable experience with gas pods:

I have followed leviathan hunting methods for years.
Several people I have had exchanges with over the years who rely on Stasis + pods as their go-to method generally report 15-20 pods to do in a Reaper, and 20-25 to take out a Ghost.
Minimum successful for a Reaper, that I have ever seen reported, was 12.

So there is a big inconsistancy / favorable glitch here. Concentrated pods are doing much more damage than Ignis' formula for per pod damage would indicate.

[Sputnik]

Publicado originalmente por dreamrider:

@Sputnik,
Ignis, the UWE moderator for this forum, just confirmed for us, in the last post on the 1st page of this thread, that:

1 gas pod does 100 HP damage, over 10 seconds.
(My add: All other things being static.)

Thanks DR.

That's pretty close to the max 95 HP i was getting on slow moving Sea Treaders.

I did notice some variability in the number of hits it took to down them.(same was true with the other missiles). So assuming there's some RNG adjustment being made there.
Or maybe I messed up the count a couple times. What do you think?

[boigeofkid]

Publicado originalmente por 𝑷𝒓𝒐𝒇. 𝕏:

Publicado originalmente por Ignis:

I think you overestimate a bit the damage of a gas pod.

So to answer to your question: it is neither. You just didn't insist enough.

Well, with the reaper (5k hp), I hit it twice w/ 34 pods per hit, so 68 pods in total. The ampell (3k hp) that I hit before succumbed to less than 20 (didn't really count on that one, I was just still a little pissed at the ghost being so resilient). So either the hp of the reaper or ghost has been changed or they just don't respond to gas anymore, or gas damage has been severely lowered.

Before the update (engine change) I'm fairly sure it was less than 25 for the reapers.

I will do the GL=Ghost Leviathan

[boigeofkid]

If you already did

[tiripon]

https://youtu.be/3780ldNNRlM

This is as 3h+ video. In this video, Salvner tries to kill all aggressive leviathans. To do that, he built a Cyclops and built a bunch of storage in it. Then he went for about 1h collecting gas pods to fill all storage in the Cyclops. At some point, the gas pods in the storage became bugged and didn't do any damage to any creature. He could still damage himself with them though.

[𝑷𝒓𝒐𝒇. 𝕏]

Huh, that's basically what I had done.