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Sputnik Aug 7, 2023 @ 8:44pm
Massacre on Obraxis Prime?
Please leave your own national politics at the door for this one, if you can.
TO PREVENT THIS THREAD FROM GETTING LOCKED

OK, we know this incident is the reason there's no guns in the game. But what do you think really happened on Obraxis in the game universe?

Such a massacre must have been planet-wide to justify Alterra's galaxy-wide policy. There must be a spectacular and gory bit of lore to be written in here.
Last edited by Sputnik; Aug 8, 2023 @ 3:19am
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dragonbornzyra Aug 7, 2023 @ 10:48pm 
Well we know in the real world, people don't care about ALL gun violence. Every weekend there seems to be a mass shooting with 6-27 to sometimes 60 people shot and or killed over the spend of 3 days.

Yet not all gun violence is treated equally, as the media will pick and choose which incidents to cover to support their narrative and entirely ignore other instances of gun violence.

So, I'm sure the actual Massacre didn't even have to be wide spread or gory. The gunman could have said something offensive or held a controversial idealology, and that would be the true crime.

I mean, in 2019 in the US there was a reported 364 related gun deaths involving "rifles" and other "AR style" firearms. In the same year, knife-related deaths were reported at a staggering 1,476. Yet we see a push to ban "AR style" "assault weapons" when knives were responsible for over four times the amount of deaths.

We gonna enforce a knife ban now on cuttlery items? No more knife or thermal knife!

2019 vehicle related fatalities hit 36,096. That is absurd! Let's ban cars and the seamoth/prawn/Cyclops. I bet we've killed more fish in this game with our vehicles than ANYTHING else.

It just goes to show that there is no inherent underlying logic to these behaviors, it's all moral grand standing and hypocrical cherry picking to suit personal agendas.

:steamhappy:
Sputnik Aug 7, 2023 @ 11:20pm 
Yeah . . .I think this thread will get deleted pretty quickly if we go down the political/historical route.

I was thinking something kooky. Like the annual 'Monster-Hunter-Pokemon-Go Festival' gone tragically wrong.
dragonbornzyra Aug 8, 2023 @ 12:26am 
Originally posted by Sputnik:
Yeah . . .I think this thread will get deleted pretty quickly if we go down the political/historical route.

I was thinking something kooky. Like the annual 'Monster-Hunter-Pokemon-Go Festival' gone tragically wrong.
Ok I'm curious, go on?
HuskyDynamics Aug 8, 2023 @ 12:51am 
To me at least, the PDA specifying that "weapons were removed from standard survival blueprints . . . " (emphasis mine) seems to indicate that the weapon(s) used in the Obraxis Prime massacre were created using the then-standard survival blueprints, possibly on a basic survival fabricator like the ones we find ourselves using. This would, by extension, suggest that whomever was fabricating the weapon(s) was in a survival situation like ourselves, as the standard survival blueprints become available once the PDA has automatically rebooted in Emergency Mode.

Beyond that, I can do little more than vague speculations, since no further details about the massacre (or indeed Obraxis Prime itself) are provided.

Briefer version:
Use of weapons in the Obraxis Prime massacre caused weapons to be removed from the survival blueprint database, implying weapons in the Obraxis Prime massacre were obtained using the survival blueprint database, implying PDA was in Emergency Mode allowing access to survival blueprint database, implying owner of PDA was in a survival situation.
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Sputnik Aug 8, 2023 @ 12:54am 
Originally posted by dragonbornzyra:
Originally posted by Sputnik:
Yeah . . .I think this thread will get deleted pretty quickly if we go down the political/historical route.

I was thinking something kooky. Like the annual 'Monster-Hunter-Pokemon-Go Festival' gone tragically wrong.
Ok I'm curious, go on?

Half baked idea meant to flesh out my SN 1.5 backstory. There's probably better ones out there though:

  1. Obraxis Prime is Alterra's Industrial powerhouse, fuelling its expansion into the Mongolian frontier. Mongolian States aimed to contain it without sparking all-out war.

  2. On OB Alterra contained any risk of worker rebellion with a 'bread and circuses' tactic: A party drug ('Bogan') and augmented reality game-festivals (Monster-Hunter-Pokemon-Go). Big prizes!

  3. Mongolian agents planned to foment a rebellion by arming the populous, cutting the Bogan supply and taking down the game server.

  4. Alterra got wise to this, and sparked a bloodbath by spiking the Bogan supplies with something crazy, and tweaked the game to ID co-workers as game targets.

  5. Alterra got no opposition to disarming its populace after that.

As for SN 1.5,, I guess a (then organic) Agent Friday was a double agent. Trusted by Mongolians but really working for Alterra. But really Alterra's fall guy, who never intended the massacre.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3014411924
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Sputnik Aug 8, 2023 @ 1:12am 
Originally posted by HuskyDynamics:
To me at least, the PDA specifying that "weapons were removed from standard survival blueprints . . . " (emphasis mine) seems to indicate that the weapon(s) used in the Obraxis Prime massacre were created using the then-standard survival blueprints, possibly on a basic survival fabricator like the ones we find ourselves using. This would, by extension, suggest that whomever was fabricating the weapon(s) was in a survival situation like ourselves, as the standard survival blueprints become available once the PDA has automatically rebooted in Emergency Mode.

Beyond that, I can do little more than vague speculations, since no further details about the massacre (or indeed Obraxis Prime itself) are provided.

Briefer version:
Use of weapons in the Obraxis Prime massacre caused weapons to be removed from the survival blueprint database, implying weapons in the Obraxis Prime massacre were obtained using the survival blueprint database, implying PDA was in Emergency Mode allowing access to survival blueprint database, implying owner of PDA was in a survival situation.

I hadn't thought of it that way.

Do you see the incident as something like the wreck of The Batatvia?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batavia_(1628_ship)

Or do you see Obraxis Prime as a lawless frontier settlement type planet? (kinda wild west)
Last edited by Sputnik; Aug 8, 2023 @ 1:20am
grzegorz77 Aug 8, 2023 @ 1:43am 
Originally posted by dragonbornzyra:
Well we know in the real world, people don't care about ALL gun violence. Every weekend there seems to be a mass shooting with 6-27 to sometimes 60 people shot and or killed over the spend of 3 days.

Yet not all gun violence is treated equally, as the media will pick and choose which incidents to cover to support their narrative and entirely ignore other instances of gun violence.

So, I'm sure the actual Massacre didn't even have to be wide spread or gory. The gunman could have said something offensive or held a controversial idealology, and that would be the true crime.

I mean, in 2019 in the US there was a reported 364 related gun deaths involving "rifles" and other "AR style" firearms. In the same year, knife-related deaths were reported at a staggering 1,476. Yet we see a push to ban "AR style" "assault weapons" when knives were responsible for over four times the amount of deaths.

We gonna enforce a knife ban now on cuttlery items? No more knife or thermal knife!

2019 vehicle related fatalities hit 36,096. That is absurd! Let's ban cars and the seamoth/prawn/Cyclops. I bet we've killed more fish in this game with our vehicles than ANYTHING else.

It just goes to show that there is no inherent underlying logic to these behaviors, it's all moral grand standing and hypocrical cherry picking to suit personal agendas.

:steamhappy:

These numbers are ridiculously small compared to knife killings.
But I think that in the history of the world the largest percentage of the population was killed by a rock.

You have a lot of guns, so people kill each other with guns.
All of muslim europe is killing itself with knives.
When you forbid knives, they will kill each other with stones.

But why, in my opinion, are guns better?
Pistols are better because a 30-year-old woman leading a child by the hand can protect them from 20-year-old criminals.
Pistols are better, because a 70-year-old old woman can defend herself against a thief who, surprised by her presence in the house, would like to kill her.
Pistols are better because they give the weak the opportunity to defend themselves against the strong.

Knives and the like do not give the weak the opportunity to defend themselves against the strong.
Catalytic Aug 8, 2023 @ 2:19am 
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So, let's start with what's in the game. This is the only reference I could find in the Subnautica Wiki to Obraxis Prime. When you produce a basic knife, the AI explains:
"Weapons were removed from standard survival blueprints following the massacre on Obraxis Prime."
That's literally all we have to go on.

We could construct a few scenarios.

1) Lord of the Flies: There was a colony there which found itself imperiled for some reason or another and had to rely on the survival kits. There was a dispute among the leadership. Two factions developed. Tensions escalated and the shooting started. News reports, as per usual, took the side of the fallen, portrayed the losing side as heroes/victims/freedom fighters, public sentiment was stirred to outrage, et voila! Gun ban!

2) Mistaken Identity: The was a party marooned on the planet. A rescue ship was called and proceeded to land to conduct a rescue. When the ship arrived, the party was waiting for them armed. The ship, not at all defenseless in its own right thought it had been tricked, lured in by pirates, and opened fire in defense of its crew. The party was massacred. Naturally, no one told the full story to the public. The rescue ship's captain was arrested, charged with mass murder and executed along with half of the ship's crew who had also opened fire. Public sentiment was stirred to outrage, et voila! Gun ban!

3) Dead men tell no tales: A prison ship transporting a particularly high-value mafioso and ran low on fuel. In order to recharge its fuel cells, it landed on a planet for a week in order to mine minerals which could be used for power. The prisoner was a particularly charming individual and had wooed a lonely guard into sleeping with him. With the ship landed and the guard rotation minimized, he saw an opportunity, dispatched his lover, and escaped. He located the fabricator and used her credentials to fabricate a small arsenal of weapons. He emerged like John Rambo and slaughtered every person on that ship save one, a cook who had been in the toilet when the shooting started. When the prison ship's captain failed to log his daily report, a rapid-response fleet was dispatched to investigate. Ultimately, the prisoner was captured, but due to his injuries he had sustained while on the run, he tragically died before he could be returned to the prison colony. Body camera footage, sadly, had become corrupted during warp transit through the phasegate. Days later, police reform hacktivists penetrated the prison ship's computer and extracted the account of the cook from his personal files. Media began reporting about yet another episode of police brutality against a poor innocent criminal who was killed to cover up the crimes of the police. Certain reporters received an unusually large anonymous deposit of credits in their bank accounts. The cook slept with the fishes. Public sentiment was stirred to outrage, et voila! Gun ban!

4) Cosmic tragedy: There was a party marooned on the planet. It turns out Obraxis Prime was not uninhabited. It had intelligent life, though the party lacked the means of communicating with them since they used light signals of bioluminescent patterns on their skin and technology transmitted in the UV spectrum, which humans cannot see. The party, desperate to survive, hunted the native Obraxians for food. It was 4 years before a passing ship was able to execute a rescue during which the Obraxians, prized for their nutritious meat, the only source of multiple essential nutrients on the planet, had been hunted to extinction. A subsequent scientific expedition to the planet discovered the evidence of Obraxian civilization and decoded the handful of symbols they used to mark their buildings with a warning to future travelers: "Beware the Ravenous Two-Legged Beast. Its hunger is insatiable. This is all that remains of the Obraxian [people]. We could not make them see." Scientists returned with the sad tale of the only other intelligent life form man had discovered to date. Public sentiment was stirred to outrage, et voila! Gun ban!

5) Unknown Unknowns: Obraxis Prime was a geologically active and relatively unstable planet, but volcanic planets are often lucrative planets, so a geological survey team was sent to assess the mineral wealth of the planet and the possibility of stabilizing and terraforming the planet to make it habitable. During the expedition, their ship received a distress call from a ship 10 days' travel from their location. The captain was legally obliged to render aid, so they left the survey team with a magazine of supplies, power cells, and a fabricator to sustain them until the ship would return in 3-4 weeks' time. Out of caution, the team leader ordered the fabrication of 5 rifles to protect the team from unknown threats. Better safe than sorry. A 24-hour guard was posted, manned by armed team members in shifts. Unfortunately, the unstable nature of the planet created a fluctuating magnetic field that had interfered with the nanofabricator. The chemical compound which served as the explosive in the shells for the rifle was altered. The difference was only a shift of two covalent bonds, but the result was a highly unstable, vibration-sensitive compound instead of the more standard issue, all-terrain-tested compound. One stormy night, the sonic wave of a clap of thunder triggered the ammunition to explode. The five guards were killed instantly, and the ammunition store in camp detonated killing half the team and spraying the rest with plasteel shrapnel. When the research vessel returned 4 weeks later, they picked up the survivors and supplies, including the faulty fabricator, and returned home. Naturally the manufacturer of the fabricator was sued by lawyers alleging the manufacturer should have known how the device would perform on an undiscovered planet and guaranteed flawless performance because that's totally reasonable. The judge was an activist, so instead of throwing the lawsuit out as frivilous nonsense, he agreed and awarded the largest settlement ever ordered against a company, driving the manufacturer into bankruptcy. Public sentiment was stirred to outrage, et voila! Gun ban!

Originally posted by Sputnik:
I was thinking something kooky. Like the annual 'Monster-Hunter-Pokemon-Go Festival' gone tragically wrong.

I think my dark humor may have gone a bit beyond "kooky" =/
Sputnik Aug 8, 2023 @ 3:02am 
@grzegorz77 Please don't do politics just HERE or this thread is bound get locked real quick. Which is a very boring outcome for thread trying to field game-story pitches.

@Catalytic. Thanks, that's a good spread of ideas there. I like the general principle of absurd blunder.
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grzegorz77 Aug 8, 2023 @ 4:05am 
Originally posted by Sputnik:
@grzegorz77 Please don't do politics just HERE or this thread is bound get locked real quick. Which is a very boring outcome for thread trying to field game-story pitches.

@Catalytic. Thanks, that's a good spread of ideas there. I like the general principle of absurd blunder.


I'm not doing any politics here, I've only responded to dragonbornzyra twisted tales.
Propaganda and lies must be exposed.
Sputnik Aug 8, 2023 @ 4:07am 
Originally posted by grzegorz77:
Originally posted by Sputnik:
@grzegorz77 Please don't do politics just HERE or this thread is bound get locked real quick. Which is a very boring outcome for thread trying to field game-story pitches.

@Catalytic. Thanks, that's a good spread of ideas there. I like the general principle of absurd blunder.


I'm not doing any politics here, I've only responded to dragonbornzyra twisted tales.
Propaganda and lies must be exposed.

Please not here though. Just let us kids play in the sandpit a while before pouring in the concrete.
grzegorz77 Aug 8, 2023 @ 4:09am 
Originally posted by Sputnik:
Originally posted by grzegorz77:


I'm not doing any politics here, I've only responded to dragonbornzyra twisted tales.
Propaganda and lies must be exposed.

Please not here though. Just let us kids play in the sandpit a while before pouring in the concrete.

I did not plan to continue, I have already said everything, everyone can think about the matter for themselves and choose what is better.
Sputnik Aug 8, 2023 @ 4:13am 
OK then. Love to hear some more story ideas grzegorz77
dreamrider Aug 8, 2023 @ 5:19am 
I wonder if Obraxis has some tatoos that tell the story? :steamfacepalm::steamhappy::steamhappy:
dragonbornzyra Aug 8, 2023 @ 5:49am 
I wanna see Friday get into an argument with his Droid AI's and a Precursor scuttler robot just trying to do its job.
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