What did the sea emperor's message mean at the end?

[Mr. Stuffy]

I don't know if this is a hardcore mode thing because I haven't beat the game in survival, but after I built the rocket, wrote a letter about how much I appreciate WETTATON my prawn suit for all it's help, and I took off

Though squidy queen ant gave me one last telepathic message saying How we are different but go together?
For anyone who's beaten survival can you tell me if this is only in hardcore or not?
And for those who got the message is it suppose to mean something deep or is it just fortune cookie mumbo jumbo?

[Bleep]

it's the same ending in hardcore and survival. it's as deep as you are me and i am you. or mumbo jumbo...you pick.

[Dirak2012]

It means that both are going in a journey and hoping that you will meet someday. It's kind of deep but also meaningless... and it's the same ending for all difficulties.

[Mr. Stuffy]

TBH hardcore isn't much different from survival, the o2 alerts are only good for when you have ten seconds of air but outside of that it's pointless.

But in the end I did learn how to not make stupid decisions but that's honestly with every game.

So yeah, hardcore mode isn't really worth it

[Cursed Hawkins]

Dirak2012 eredeti hozzászólása:

It means that both are going in a journey and hoping that you will meet someday. It's kind of deep but also meaningless... and it's the same ending for all difficulties.

I think its meaning is referring to in a sense reincarnation given that the Sea Emperor is dying at the point of the ending hence its examples of being "either an ocean current or something so small it sees the gaps between the grains of sand"

[Mr. Stuffy]

Cursed Hawkins eredeti hozzászólása:

Dirak2012 eredeti hozzászólása:

It means that both are going in a journey and hoping that you will meet someday. It's kind of deep but also meaningless... and it's the same ending for all difficulties.

I think its meaning is referring to in a sense reincarnation given that the Sea Emperor is dying at the point of the ending hence its examples of being "either an ocean current or something so small it sees the gaps between the grains of sand"

I meant the one that happens after you launch

[dreamrider]

BTW, congrats on finishing your hardcore.

[Mr. Stuffy]

dreamrider eredeti hozzászólása:

BTW, congrats on finishing your hardcore.

It took three tries
My first attempt I went too deep into a cave and ran out of oxygen before I could locate an exit
Lesson learned: Only go for what you need, never wander

My second attempt I was starving to death so I ate raw fish then I was dhydrated so I dided of that
Lesson learned: always, ALWAYS, pack supplies for trips even if it's not a long one.

Not to mention I didn't see ONE reaper leviathan so that's pretty awesome

[Ender's games]

Mr. Stuffy eredeti hozzászólása:

dreamrider eredeti hozzászólása:

BTW, congrats on finishing your hardcore.

It took three tries
My first attempt I went too deep into a cave and ran out of oxygen before I could locate an exit
Lesson learned: Only go for what you need, never wander

My second attempt I was starving to death so I ate raw fish then I was dhydrated so I dided of that
Lesson learned: always, ALWAYS, pack supplies for trips even if it's not a long one.

Not to mention I didn't see ONE reaper leviathan so that's pretty awesome

IMO wandering is part of the beauty of the game, but yeah, you need to go prepared. Extra oxygen helps (you can switch oxygen tanks) and though some people don't like it, there's a pathfinder tool to help you in these situations. In some cave systems you can even go with the Seamoth.

[dreamrider]

In early caves I find that the stupid over abundance of caution represented by running a pipe network halfway through the cave to be ... the reason that I am alive.

[dreamrider]

There is nothing that is "only hardcore"...except having no fallback save.

[⫸Lyric Drake 591⫷]

its all the same in the four gamemodes, iv completed all but hardmode and its the same as this so this confirms it

[Conner]

It means that you are different creatures, but both go somewhere away from the planet. Sea Emperor goes to the afterlife (presumably), and you go offworld into the space.

[dragonbornzyra]

Conner is pretty close. Here is the exact quote from Sea Mama:

"What is a wave without the ocean?
A beginning without an end?
They are different, but they go together.
Now you go among the stars, and I fall among the sand.
We are different.
But we go... together."

My interpurtation of this, is based on her interactions with the Precursors. Comparing that experience, to her experience (or attempt) with Bart Torgal, failed communication. Compare that to her interaction with Ryley, whom doesn't speak verbally, but perhaps was still able to engage in more meaningful "communication" with Sea Mama.

Ryley listened.
Ryley investigated.
Ryley perservered.
Ryley cared.
Ryley granted a dying ancient, sentient Leviathan's final wishes.
Ryley helped usher in a new generation of Sea Emperors, possibly preventing their extinction
Ryley succeeded where nature, science, and technology had failed.

"We are different...........but we go...........together"

Even though they are different species, come from different worlds, and are entirely, completely, totally different.............Ryley and Sea Mama went together. They were able to understand each other, and work towards a mutual goal that benefitted not just both of them, but the entire planet...........nay, perhaps the entire galaxy? Perhps all of existance.

For all the Precursor's technological advancement, they could not reach or understand Sea Mama's feelings, emotions, or desires.

For all of Bart's intellect, and kind hearted curiosity (and brain implants) he was unable to understand Sea Mama's call for help. Mistaking her communications with telepathy as fever dreams.

By working together, cooperating, Ryley and Sea Mama accomplish their goals. Her eggs were given the nutrients and enzymes needed to hatch, that she could not obtain herself. The Kharaa was cured. Ryley was able to deactivate the Quarintine Enforcement Platform and achieve freedom and escape.

Notice how Sea Mama, already older than her species should have gotten, clinging to life beyond any reasonable ability to do so.....she clung just a little longer. It's only when Ryley chooses to leave in the Neptune Rocket, and she makes her final communication with Ryley, does she finally let go and succumb to inevitibility. She could have let herself go once her bebies were hatched, but no.

She hangs on.....perhaps to ensure that Ryley makes it off the planet safely. Her parting thoughts are over a millenia worth of experiences condensed into a single gesture.

T h a n k y o u

Not every solution to every problem is violence, or force. By Ryley surrendering to his circumstances, learning to cooperate and live with the ecosystem instead of against it, with the help of the Sea Mama, the path forward for both himself, the Sea Emporer race, and the future of 4546B is revealed.

Her death is given meaning, because her life was given meaning. Her clinging to existance pays off in the end. She waited long enough........long enough to meet Ryley. Whom was able to understand her....and because of him, her bebies are born. It was worth it. She never gave in. Not to loneliness, not to fear, not to death itself.

Similarily, Ryley never gave up, despite the odds, his fear, and the incredible weight of the gravity of the situation.

We have more to gain from understanding one another than we do from fighting with one another.

I hope i have been able to help shed some understanding on Sea Mama's final thoughts to Ryley(you)

=)

[KippenKaasBaas]

dragonbornzyra eredeti hozzászólása:

Conner is pretty close. Here is the exact quote from Sea Mama:

"What is a wave without the ocean?
A beginning without an end?
They are different, but they go together.
Now you go among the stars, and I fall among the sand.
We are different.
But we go... together."

My interpurtation of this, is based on her interactions with the Precursors. Comparing that experience, to her experience (or attempt) with Bart Torgal, failed communication. Compare that to her interaction with Ryley, whom doesn't speak verbally, but perhaps was still able to engage in more meaningful "communication" with Sea Mama.

Ryley listened.
Ryley investigated.
Ryley perservered.
Ryley cared.
Ryley granted a dying ancient, sentient Leviathan's final wishes.
Ryley helped usher in a new generation of Sea Emperors, possibly preventing their extinction
Ryley succeeded where nature, science, and technology had failed.

"We are different...........but we go...........together"

Even though they are different species, come from different worlds, and are entirely, completely, totally different.............Ryley and Sea Mama went together. They were able to understand each other, and work towards a mutual goal that benefitted not just both of them, but the entire planet...........nay, perhaps the entire galaxy? Perhps all of existance.

For all the Precursor's technological advancement, they could not reach or understand Sea Mama's feelings, emotions, or desires.

For all of Bart's intellect, and kind hearted curiosity (and brain implants) he was unable to understand Sea Mama's call for help. Mistaking her communications with telepathy as fever dreams.

By working together, cooperating, Ryley and Sea Mama accomplish their goals. Her eggs were given the nutrients and enzymes needed to hatch, that she could not obtain herself. The Kharaa was cured. Ryley was able to deactivate the Quarintine Enforcement Platform and achieve freedom and escape.

Notice how Sea Mama, already older than her species should have gotten, clinging to life beyond any reasonable ability to do so.....she clung just a little longer. It's only when Ryley chooses to leave in the Neptune Rocket, and she makes her final communication with Ryley, does she finally let go and succumb to inevitibility. She could have let herself go once her bebies were hatched, but no.

She hangs on.....perhaps to ensure that Ryley makes it off the planet safely. Her parting thoughts are over a millenia worth of experiences condensed into a single gesture.

T h a n k y o u

Not every solution to every problem is violence, or force. By Ryley surrendering to his circumstances, learning to cooperate and live with the ecosystem instead of against it, with the help of the Sea Mama, the path forward for both himself, the Sea Emporer race, and the future of 4546B is revealed.

Her death is given meaning, because her life was given meaning. Her clinging to existance pays off in the end. She waited long enough........long enough to meet Ryley. Whom was able to understand her....and because of him, her bebies are born. It was worth it. She never gave in. Not to loneliness, not to fear, not to death itself.

Similarily, Ryley never gave up, despite the odds, his fear, and the incredible weight of the gravity of the situation.

We have more to gain from understanding one another than we do from fighting with one another.

I hope i have been able to help shed some understanding on Sea Mama's final thoughts to Ryley(you)

=)

:snguy:

Common man, you're gonna make me cry.
What a ride it has been. And what an amazing story this game has.
Truly. The writers of the original story really made something special.

Just gonna start 1 more playthrough. Havent had enough......

[KippenKaasBaas]

dragonbornzyra eredeti hozzászólása:

For all of Bart's intellect, and kind hearted curiosity (and brain implants) he was unable to understand Sea Mama's call for help. Mistaking her communications with telepathy as fever dreams.

Side note: I never even made this connection.
When Bart talked about his visions, I always thought it was some sort of symptom from the Kharaa bacterium. But now that I think of it, it seems obvious.