Prawn functionality.

[Snowg00se]

Anyone else think it's a bit daft that you're unable to pick stuff up with two arm mods equiped and you have to actually get out of your super-advanced EVA suit, swap an arm out (or pick your stuff up and place it in the locker), get back in and carry on doing your thing?

Perhaps a vaccuum attachment for the drill arm? (I heard these exist even in the 21st century)...

[PleB Hitzgi]

Yeah kinda weird that you can't pick stuff up with 2 modded arms. To me it seems like a trade off, like you get more manoeuvrability with a grappling arm, but can't pick up items. On that note: does anyone use the propulsion cannon / Torpedo arm like... ever? I never even botherd crafting them they seem pretty much useless to me. I personaly don't use Torpedos at all (not realy usefull imo) and instead of the propulsion cannon you can use a grappling arm to pull things towards you. And in the end you need a free other arm to pick stuff up, like at least the cannon should have that feature of "picking stuff up"...

[Snowg00se]

Originally posted by Dab on Haters™:

Yeah kinda weird that you can't pick stuff up with 2 modded arms. To me it seems like a trade off, like you get more manoeuvrability with a grappling arm, but can't pick up items. On that note: does anyone use the propulsion cannon / Torpedo arm like... ever? I never even botherd crafting them they seem pretty much useless to me. I personaly don't use Torpedos at all (not realy usefull imo) and instead of the propulsion cannon you can use a grappling arm to pull things towards you. And in the end you need a free other arm to pick stuff up, like at least the cannon should have that feature of "picking stuff up"...

Actually using the grappling arm to get around (not found the stuff for the hyper-jets / whateverthey'recalled yet) but yup, point's the same... drill / cannon / *something* should have the ability to pick stuff up.

[ImHelping]

It is kind of ridiculous, yeah.

If you have to get out of the exosuit required in the first place to drill materials, to collect the materials, that's just plain silly. With or without the propulsion gun along for the ride that can't collect items like the handheld one does.

Technically the default claw can pick stuff up, but it's garbage at it. It's got a wonky hitbox and will not pick things up until the end of it's animation. It's so bad it can have issues trying to collect ion crystals indoors after drilling the nodes at alien bases. Let alone trying to pick up a hunk of kyanite slowly rolling down a hill.

That's also ignoring the fact in order to have the default claw, you have to have either ignored upgrades, or got out of your prawn to remove your drill/propulsion cannon/etc, then get back IN your prawn to pick stuff up. (and the grapple arm is often a requirement to be able to drill cliffside nodes).

With the final insult of "Oh right. Can't access the prawn inventory when it's docked anyways". And with how much more aggro sea dragons are since the ghost update, you can't really afford to eject just to juggle your inventory in the later half of the game. (Which can lead to the anticlimax feeling of "Now that I'm inside this ancient alien base, I can sort my inventory!")

I've seen some people go "Just use the gravsphere lol!" but now you have escalated the problem from "Have to get out of your prawn" to "Have to get out of your prawn, AND use another hand tool".

That doesn't defend the prawn's status. It just drives extra nails into it's coffin.

[Snowg00se]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

It is kind of ridiculous, yeah.

If you have to get out of the exosuit required in the first place to drill materials, to collect the materials, that's just plain silly. With or without the propulsion gun along for the ride that can't collect items like the handheld one does.

Technically the default claw can pick stuff up, but it's garbage at it. It's got a wonky hitbox and will not pick things up until the end of it's animation. It's so bad it can have issues trying to collect ion crystals indoors after drilling the nodes at alien bases. Let alone trying to pick up a hunk of kyanite slowly rolling down a hill.

That's also ignoring the fact in order to have the default claw, you have to have either ignored upgrades, or got out of your prawn to remove your drill/propulsion cannon/etc, then get back IN your prawn to pick stuff up. (and the grapple arm is often a requirement to be able to drill cliffside nodes).

With the final insult of "Oh right. Can't access the prawn inventory when it's docked anyways". And with how much more aggro sea dragons are since the ghost update, you can't really afford to eject just to juggle your inventory in the later half of the game. (Which can lead to the anticlimax feeling of "Now that I'm inside this ancient alien base, I can sort my inventory!")

I've seen some people go "Just use the gravsphere lol!" but now you have escalated the problem from "Have to get out of your prawn" to "Have to get out of your prawn, AND use another hand tool".

That doesn't defend the prawn's status. It just drives extra nails into it's coffin.

Beautifully put - the whole thing seems to have been either given to the intern to design and then forgotten about or gimped by committee.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

Beautifully put - the whole thing seems to have been either given to the intern to design and then forgotten about or gimped by committee.

I'd put my monopoly money on "Implementing this right is harder than we thought, ugh. We don't have time to fix this on top of everything else."

They could very well manage to get it into a proper condition for launch.

Though it's also on the end of "Embarrasing, but we can ship with it without anyone seeing it until past the 2 hour refund mark" low priority for all the fires they got to put out. It IS silly, and annoying, and makes you wonder "why?".

But it's also nothing compared to the stuff like the infamous wallhax levithans where saying "Sorry guys, that's gamedev" won't help review scores or streamer footage any. So of course they are (hopefully) focusing on that stuff enough to get it done.

[20spike12]

Someone should get a hold of the devs, the idea of having a vacum on the arm sounds like heaven to me.

[Zemecon]

Putting aside that it isn't all that difficult or time-consuming to take out one of the arms beforehand (because I know some people hate reading that - and now I am certainly going to get a NotHelping response to this), normally you would be able to suck up resources with the Propulsion Arm but with each mouse button operating an arm that isn't really possible unless you either swap the arm's repulsion ability with a pick-up ability - which I don't see why that would be necessary when you can use a claw arm instead - or you add another button command for the arm, like maybe Q or E, or maybe C or R. Worth thinking about, but I don't think we need an additional arm solely for picking up stuff.

[Snowg00se]

Originally posted by Salinité:

Putting aside that it isn't all that difficult or time-consuming to take out one of the arms beforehand (because I know some people hate reading that - and now I am certainly going to get a NotHelping response to this), normally you would be able to suck up resources with the Propulsion Arm but with each mouse button operating an arm that isn't really possible unless you either swap the arm's repulsion ability with a pick-up ability - which I don't see why that would be necessary when you can use a claw arm instead - or you add another button command for the arm, like maybe Q or E, or maybe C or R. Worth thinking about, but I don't think we need an additional arm solely for picking up stuff.

Or you could do it simulatniously with a vaccuum attachment to the drill arm, mouse button to activate drill activates vaccuum, like what they do in real life, nice effort with the negative thinking there though.

[Snowg00se]

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

Originally posted by Salinité:

Putting aside that it isn't all that difficult or time-consuming to take out one of the arms beforehand (because I know some people hate reading that - and now I am certainly going to get a NotHelping response to this), normally you would be able to suck up resources with the Propulsion Arm but with each mouse button operating an arm that isn't really possible unless you either swap the arm's repulsion ability with a pick-up ability - which I don't see why that would be necessary when you can use a claw arm instead - or you add another button command for the arm, like maybe Q or E, or maybe C or R. Worth thinking about, but I don't think we need an additional arm solely for picking up stuff.

Or you could do it simulatniously with a vaccuum attachment to the drill arm, mouse button to activate drill activates vaccuum, like wot they do in real life, nice effort with the negative thinking there though.

Also, it generally IS difficult and time consuming to jump out of your cosy, protective EVA suit into crushing pressure and super-hot temperatures to pick up every little bit of rock that you just drilled.

Just saying...

[Zemecon]

The drill arm doesn't seem very plausible. Where would the resource go? Where would the suction power come from? We already have this with the propulsion arm. If anything, it makes more sense to modify that and use the drill arm as a second arm.

And why did you make a second post quoting yourself?

[Snowg00se]

Originally posted by Salinité:

The drill arm doesn't seem very plausible. Where would the resource go? Where would the suction power come from? We already have this with the propulsion arm. If anything, it makes more sense to modify that and use the drill arm as a second arm.

And why did you make a second post quoting yourself?

a) up da vaccuum toob into da resource box, again a'la real life.
b) using the same batteries that the rest of the prawn suit use.
c) because the stupid edit button decided to do that for me.
d) you're actually begining to sound like the intern.

[Zemecon]

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

a) up da vaccuum toob into da resource box, again a'la real life.

Did you even take a close look at the drill arm? There is no hole. There are no secondary structures that look like they would aid in suction or magnetic force.

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

b) using the same batteries that the rest of the prawn suit use.

Why are we talking about batteries? ...or do you mean buttons? I suggested the propulsion arm because you need to pick up the resource first before you can suck it in. With the propulsion arm you only need one extra button. With the drill arm you need two. So, again, it isn't that plausible a change from a practical perspective.

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

c) because the stupid edit button decided to do that for me.

OK then. Maybe you could delete one, then?

...or maybe not.

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

d) you're actually begining to sound like the intern.

Well, if that meant I put on a good case, then I'm delighted (not really - I couldn't care less).

[Snowg00se]

Originally posted by Salinité:

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

a) up da vaccuum toob into da resource box, again a'la real life.

Did you even take a close look at the drill arm? There is no hole. There are no secondary structures that look like they would aid in suction or magnetic force.

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

b) using the same batteries that the rest of the prawn suit use.

Why are we talking about batteries? ...or do you mean buttons? I suggested the propulsion arm because you need to pick up the resource first before you can suck it in. With the propulsion arm you only need one extra button. With the drill arm you need two. So, again, it isn't that plausible a change from a practical perspective.

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

c) because the stupid edit button decided to do that for me.

OK then. Maybe you could delete one, then?

...or maybe not.

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

d) you're actually begining to sound like the intern.

Well, if that meant I put on a good case, then I'm delighted (not really - I couldn't care less).

Really, you've passed "intern" and are heading straight for "troll"

A) "We"'re talking about CHANGING something here.
B) "We" are talking about batteries not buttons because "we" are talking about the same button activates the vaccuum acivating the drill *simulatniously* lol
C) Really...

[Zemecon]

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

Really, you've passed "intern" and are heading straight for "troll"

That is what people in here say now when they encounter someone who disagrees with them so I am definately not bothered by that.

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

A) "We"'re talking about CHANGING something here.

It would be easier and far more practical to change the propulsion arm.

Just sayin'.

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

B) "We" are talking about batteries not buttons because "we" are talking about the same button activates the vaccuum as acivates the drill *simulatniously* lol
C) Really...

What? Again, what do batteries have to do with this? And even if both the propulsion arm and the dril arm could use the same button for sucking in resources, you would need an extra button for the drill arm in order for it to pick up the resource. The suction mechanism only works once a resource has been picked up. Trying to surpass this when reprogramming the drill arm would mean a lot more reprogramming than is really needed. And it doesn't even matter because you can still use the propulsion arm and drill arm together.

And Point C was too cryptic for me to even bother responding to that.

[Snowg00se]

Originally posted by Salinité:

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

Really, you've passed "intern" and are heading straight for "troll"

That is what people in here say now when they encounter someone who disagrees with them so I am definately not bothered by that.

Really, you are trolling now and clearly attempting to de-rail a post.

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

A) "We"'re talking about CHANGING something here.

It would be easier and far more practical to change the propulsion arm.

Just sayin'.

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I am talking about changes to code here, please explain how adding code to the drill arm would be any more difficult than adding code to the propuilsion arm.

Originally posted by Snowg00se:

B) "We" are talking about batteries not buttons because "we" are talking about the same button activates the vaccuum as acivates the drill *simulatniously* lol

You were asking how it would be powered: "The drill arm doesn't seem very plausible. Where would the resource go? Where would the suction power come from?"

I answered your question - if what you meant was "Where would the suction come from" then, a vaccuum unit, clearly - a vaccuum unit powered by batteries.

"And Point C was too cryptic for me to even bother responding to that. "

What I meant there was "really, do I need to explain the minutiae to you?"


And if the quotes are messed up, they're messed up - really cannot be bothered cleaning it.