Active Sonar?

[Ryvaken Tadrya]

The seamoth and cyclops can both be modified to make use of active sonar. Best I can tell, the wildlife doesn't really care about you pinging away. It also doesn't show an increase on the cyclops's sound readouts. Can anyone confirm or contradict?

...and am I the only one that thinks it's weird going active isn't mutually exclusive to silent running? Not complaining, it's useful as heck, but it's basically like tiptoeing through a room in the dark of night while screaming at the top of your lungs.

[General Idea]

It's a sound wave and is harmless to the environment as far as I know.

[PrimeSonic]

Maybe it uses sound frequencies that are above the hearing range of these creatures.

[Ryvaken Tadrya]

Originally posted by General Idea:

It's a sound wave and is harmless to the environment as far as I know.

Let me clarify: the sonar does not attract the attention of things that are not harmless to ME, right?

Originally posted by Alexstratos:

Maybe it uses sound frequencies that are above the hearing range of these creatures.

That's not impossible, but it would be anomalous. Reapers, at least, use audible echolocation, most creatures make vocalizations in the audible range which suggests that they (and their predators) can also hear those ranges, and experiments with the cyclops horn are not terribly encouraging. Basically I'm saying that there's a lot of details that suggest a big metal box shooting off high pitched pings is going to get attacked.

[Amanoob105]

Perhaps it doesn't make use of any form of sound at all and is just called "sonar" out of habit in this universe because of what it does over how it does it? Future Tech, it's the answer to all plotholes!

Eitherway, using it will not increase your chances of getting attacked. But leaving it on will quickly drain your power. Try and use it only when you need to and not at all times.

[General Idea]

Originally posted by Ryvaken Tadrya:

Originally posted by General Idea:

It's a sound wave and is harmless to the environment as far as I know.

Let me clarify: the sonar does not attract the attention of things that are not harmless to ME, right?

The sonar is SOund Navigation And Ranging. It is an aide for avoiding hostile creatures in the darkness of caves and obviously does not attract their attention, However, the warpers maybe capable but are unable to affect you in the cyclops. Seamoth is a different matter and as you know it's good to have a repulsion cannon handy when doing so.

[Ryvaken Tadrya]

Originally posted by Amanoob105:

Perhaps it doesn't make use of any form of sound at all and is just called "sonar" out of habit in this universe because of what it does over how it does it? Future Tech, it's the answer to all plotholes!

First, that is a terribly boring answer to plotholes :p Also, you can hear the ping and the echoes when you use it.

I wonder if the warpers make use of sonar technology. By now local wildlife will have them (mis)identified as a predator. If so, going active could signal the wildlife that your sub, rather than a food source, is a danger to them.

[PrimeSonic]

Originally posted by Ryvaken Tadrya:

Originally posted by Amanoob105:

Perhaps it doesn't make use of any form of sound at all and is just called "sonar" out of habit in this universe because of what it does over how it does it? Future Tech, it's the answer to all plotholes!

First, that is a terribly boring answer to plotholes :p Also, you can hear the ping and the echoes when you use it.

Boring answer?

Try this one: It's not real life. It's a video game. It was coded that way for fun and balance.

A lot of the time in vodeo games: realism =/= fun

If the sonar attracted large predators, no one would want to use it.
So they made it so it didn't because it wouldn't be fun if it did.

[Ryvaken Tadrya]

Originally posted by Alexstratos:

Try this one: It's not real life. It's a video game. It was coded that way for fun and balance.

Your lack of imagination has been noted and ignored. C'mon, if you're going to take the time to comment on something like that at least flex your creativity a little.

[PrimeSonic]

Originally posted by Ryvaken Tadrya:

Originally posted by Alexstratos:

Try this one: It's not real life. It's a video game. It was coded that way for fun and balance.

Your lack of imagination has been noted and ignored. C'mon, if you're going to take the time to comment on something like that at least flex your creativity a little.

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

Applying real world physics and current day technology to fiction is a futile exercise.

If you are having trouble hand-waving this problem (and others you've noted) given the current set of answers, I anticipate that there is no answer that will satisfy you.

Given your past threads on this forum, I think it's safe to say that there's nothing to be gained from trying to play your game by your rules.
So I won't play your game. I'll play mine.

If this upsets you and you wish to return to your own thing, please let us know what exactly is the correct answer to your quesiton, because clearly you aren't really interested in what anyone else has to say. You just like striking down ideas because they don't make sense to you. Either that or you just get a kick out of telling people they're wrong about something.

Your whole time on this forum has been spent nitpicking at the game in attempts to say that the developers made a mistake (were wrong) because something didn't confirm to your expectations of reality.
I think there is no perfect fiction for you. You'll pick apart anything cause it gives you a rush of addictive self-satisfaction.

Is that enough imagination for you now? Please, continue poking. I can keep this up until the thread gets locked.

[General Idea]

If no mistake have you made, yet losing you are … a different game you should play – Yoda

[Ryvaken Tadrya]

It is possible to make no mistakes and still lose. That is not a failing. That is life. -Picard

[General Idea]

Originally posted by Ryvaken Tadrya:

It is possible to make no mistakes and still lose. That is not a failing. That is life. -Picard

So you lost. Where do you plan on going next?

[Ryvaken Tadrya]

If I can get a discussion going with someone intelligent or creative, agree with him or otherwise, I am satisfied. So...I think I'm going to wait for people obsessed with "winning" to lose interest and then try again.

[General Idea]

Originally posted by Ryvaken Tadrya:

If I can get a discussion going with someone intelligent or creative, agree with him or otherwise, I am satisfied. So...I think I'm going to wait for people obsessed with "winning" to lose interest and then try again.

But that is what you have been doing as Alexstratos mentioned. It's not as if you have a point to make as that has already been answered. You lost. Accept it and move on.

[PrimeSonic]

Originally posted by Ryvaken Tadrya:

If I can get a discussion going with someone intelligent or creative, agree with him or otherwise, I am satisfied. So...I think I'm going to wait for people obsessed with "winning" to lose interest and then try again.

The first person interested in "winning" here is you.

Not about to say 'only' because I'm not that kind of hypocrite but you might be.

Meanwhile