Soulmask

Soulmask

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Steinaar May 31, 2024 @ 11:18am
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Who is Dev/Pub?
"Although our team may not be large in scale, most of us possess over a decade of game development experience, and our design team has a wealth of diverse gaming backgrounds."

>>> Who are you and what have you worked on before this? <<<

Your development team and publisher are only displaying this as your only project. I am skeptical but feel free to check my profile. You may not see my thousands of hours played in each game relative to this. I have it hidden for personal reasons.

I desire my inquiry to be answered before I make my purchase. I'm one of those gamers who boycotts by name. Hope you're not in my black book :p as this game is intriguing.
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Steinaar May 31, 2024 @ 7:18pm 
Does anybody actually know the answer to this question? I can't find a real answer anywhere I looked.
Jamation May 31, 2024 @ 7:20pm 
DEVELOPER: CampFire Studio
PUBLISHER: Qooland Games

It says it on the front of the store page?
Jab May 31, 2024 @ 7:45pm 
Your ego is off the charts. It's $30 and you have 2 hours to refund it. No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about your prepurchase checklist. Just saying.
Digstar May 31, 2024 @ 8:20pm 
Qooland Games are Singapore based. I guess your wondering if they have any ties to Snail Games, Funcom or Tencent. I couldn't find anything on that myself and I understand your suspicion as it stands to reason that most companies would gladly share their background portfolio regarding past expertise etc to sell their wares to potential customers.
Steinaar May 31, 2024 @ 8:52pm 
Originally posted by Digstar:
Qooland Games are Singapore based. I guess your wondering if they have any ties to Snail Games, Funcom or Tencent. I couldn't find anything on that myself and I understand your suspicion as it stands to reason that most companies would gladly share their background portfolio regarding past expertise etc to sell their wares to potential customers.
Some candy bars I don't like so I don't buy them. Some devs/pub I don't like so I don't buy their games. It's just that simple. Hiding your portfolio is sus. Either just unknown indy or they're re-branding to avoid backlash.

I'm just curious as aforementioned in my original post. I'm not here to flame, just here asking if anyone knew who these guys are. Thanks for your understanding. The other post about this same topic was a drama fest and no real intel was shared there either.

I have time to wait.

Snail/Donkey made a game called Bellwright, they were on my avoid list. However they're making a really good game over there. So I gave respect where it was due, even though I wanted to avoid their future games. At least they didn't hide who they were. If this is Tencent though ohh no shot.

This isn't about ego, this isn't about money, this isn't even really about my avoid list. Who you are is like your skin and you can not change that. No matter how many shells you create. People will find out eventually. I'm not trying to be toxic, contrary I want to avoid that type of community. Sometimes that starts with how developers and publishers treat their player base.

Love me some Star Wars but EA and Ubisoft just can't do it right. I've lost faith in their ability thus I have the right to avoid. It's kind of like that for those of you that are curious about my motives.
guska May 31, 2024 @ 8:58pm 
So rather than take 5 minutes to research them, you come here demanding answers like some deranged entitled child?
Zalzany May 31, 2024 @ 11:57pm 
Yawn who are you and why do devs have to answer to you? I mean do you even know who made Ark? Conana? Bellwright etc etc? No this is just bait sigh. Just say you worried about it being from china sigh.
Spellwork Jun 1, 2024 @ 1:57am 
Originally posted by Steinaar:
Originally posted by Digstar:
Qooland Games are Singapore based. I guess your wondering if they have any ties to Snail Games, Funcom or Tencent.

Qooland Games (allegedly) is working in the same building as Snail Games in Singapore. An old thread on these forums asked this same question.

There's nothing online about this company. The google search gives a TV/Film company (netflix/hulu/etc.) and some indie videogame company that went ghost around 2020 from the US. It's looking asset flipped and their social media posts look like they're filled with bot comments.

Getting "The Day Before" vibes all over again. Lol.
Last edited by Spellwork; Jun 1, 2024 @ 1:58am
Steinaar Jun 1, 2024 @ 10:23am 
Originally posted by Zalzany:
Yawn who are you and why do devs have to answer to you? I mean do you even know who made Ark? Conana? Bellwright etc etc? No this is just bait sigh. Just say you worried about it being from china sigh.
I do know who those developers and publisher were and I supported their games when they were unknown too. I was there for all the Ark drama from day one. Running multiple communities and severs/clusters throughout it all. I don't know Conana. Bellwright, well you see me over there being a positive part of the community because you're in my discussions.

Worried about China specifically, meh not as much as others. The Chinese have a mentality of if you're not cheating you're not trying, I dislike. Most Asian games I've never been a fan of because they adopt P2W and their games are too anime for my liking. For those reasons I would want to know and try and avoid. Make sense? I've only responded to you because you've been level headed in Bellwright community, thus I know you have maturity in you. I try to ignore the others just posting for drama, not interested. I gave you my time of day, show the same respect in return please.


Originally posted by Spellwork:
Originally posted by Steinaar:

Qooland Games (allegedly) is working in the same building as Snail Games in Singapore. An old thread on these forums asked this same question.

There's nothing online about this company. The google search gives a TV/Film company (netflix/hulu/etc.) and some indie videogame company that went ghost around 2020 from the US. It's looking asset flipped and their social media posts look like they're filled with bot comments.

Getting "The Day Before" vibes all over again. Lol.
The other thread about this I read through as well, mostly drama fest. I didn't want to be apart of it. I'm just here to find out who the developers and publishers are to help me in making my purchase decision or not. Not here for the drama.

I tried looking as well on google with no avail. In time I suppose it will surface. I asked in any event someone knew something I didn't. Guess we are all in the dark for now. Thanks for looking. As far as the day before vibes, not getting that here. From my observations I actually think there is a game behind Soul Mask.
Want To Tree Jun 1, 2024 @ 11:12am 
Originally posted by Steinaar:
Originally posted by Zalzany:
I mean do you even know who made Ark? Bellwright etc etc?
I do know who those developers and publisher were

But do you actually?

Originally posted by Steinaar:
Worried about China specifically, meh not as much as others. The Chinese have a mentality of if you're not cheating you're not trying

Snail Games which owns Wildcard Studio LLC and publishes Ark along with Bellwright are a Chinese company? They are Suzhou Snail Digital Technology Co., Ltd.

Originally posted by Steinaar:
If this is Tencent though ohh no shot.

Also, Tencent Holdings Inc. has their hands on everything these days, it's actually quite hard to live life without interacting with something that they have invested in.

For instance, have you ever purchased a game by Activision, Ubisoft or perhaps Funcom? Have you ever used Epic Games, Discord, Spotify or Reddit? Well guess what, Tencent Holdings owns shares in all of those among many, many others.

Originally posted by Steinaar:
Hiding your portfolio is sus. Either just unknown indy or they're re-branding to avoid backlash.

I get that and agree with you there, it does seem that this is a relatively new and small business / indie studio, this game is perhaps their first big hit.

I found this which lists a few of their other projects:

https://store.steampowered.com/developer/Campfire/

And this:

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/CampfireStudio

Which reads:

"Campfire Studio
Two guys making games as a lifestyle"

Perhaps they just didn't want to come across as being some tiny/obscure developer that might not be capable of handling a project of this scale.

Reading this: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2646460/view/4191240933898343703

Makes me think that whoever SIMA is, it is very likely that they have indeed been involved in the industry for a long time. Perhaps they were working with/for other companies and are tied down to NDA's or other factors which limit them from expressing their involvement in other projects, etc. They seem to be quite proactive so far and are paying attention to feedback and concerns, which is good. That said, I'd like to see how that translates into progress with the game its self.

It is a good and reasonable question that you have asked, it is a bit sus but that doesn't necessarily mean that they have a checkered past.

Perhaps they will respond themselves with more info that might help to clear up the concerns that you have raised.

EDIT: They actually give me a kind of SCUM (Gamepires) vibe, small developer but enthusiastic about what they are doing. SCUM has come a long way even though it received a ton of negative feedback early on, they stuck with it, listened to feedback, made changes and have consistently updated the game to date. I believe they were recently acquired by Jagex which in my mind puts them in a great position in terms of experience and ability to progress with their ideas further into the future.
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Skali Jun 1, 2024 @ 11:25am 
Originally posted by Want To Tree:
I get that and agree with you there, it does seem that this is a relatively new and small business / indie studio, this game is perhaps their first big hit.

I found this which lists a few of their other projects:

https://store.steampowered.com/developer/Campfire/

And this:

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/CampfireStudio

Which reads:

"Campfire Studio
Two guys making games as a lifestyle"

Perhaps they just didn't want to come across as being some tiny/obscure developer that might not be capable of handling a project of this scale.

I don't think that Campfire Studio is related to this developer.



Originally posted by Want To Tree:
Perhaps they will respond themselves with more info that might help to clear up the concerns that you have raised.

That would be very much appreciated. Just a short introduction who they are and how many people are working on the project.
Last edited by Skali; Jun 1, 2024 @ 11:26am
Steinaar Jun 1, 2024 @ 11:36am 
@WantToTree
I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to respond to me.

The companies aforementioned like Snail have shifted in ownership several times now. They weren't always owned by who they are owned by now. Yes I've been here through it all. The fractured beginnings and the lawsuit that almost killed the studio from the get go.

You talk about Tencent owning subsidies in almost every company these days, it's an unfortunate truth. It's hard to avoid. There are games that we have played in the past that once they sold to Tencent and Tencent becoming the majority owner, the game changed drastically. It's this that I aim to avoid. When Tencent becomes majority owner it becomes a bleak time for the gamers. P2W, paywalls everywhere you can look and turn. You know this.

I'm keenly aware of it all and have been in the gaming world for my entire life. It's always been my passion and favorite past time.

I'm leaning more so into the small indy, I've seen several gamers now mention they feel the vibes of phone games in Soul Mask. If I would to guess I would think mobile gaming was their past. You bring up another valid point, one of which I did not consider until you mentioned, maybe some projects are still under NDA. A decade of NDA though, oof.

How did I not find this CampfireStudio page, wow thanks for that.
So this is their biggest ambitious project and they've been super indy before this. Some of this experience is relatable though. Graphics aside.

Ohh that post on May30th I missed that. The Zima background post. Good find, thank you very much.

This is an indy dev team that's making ambitious moves into bigger projects. It's right up my alley to support. I love supporting Indy devs. It's the big AAA companies we've support their growth in the past that become to big for their own good who I boycott. I've got tons of kickstarter and such backings to studios just like this.

Soul Mask has dedicated servers.
Modding support coming soon.
Content filled major DLC in the works. Meh about this but it's industry standards.

WantToTree you've cleared up my suspicions and now I know who they are I feel much better with a purchase and backing a studio that is deserving. Making video games for the passion of what video games offer to the gamers and fans vs profiteering. I humbly offer my sincere gratitude.
Steinaar Jun 1, 2024 @ 11:38am 
Originally posted by Skali:
I don't think that Campfire Studio is related to this developer.
Ohh no? Hmm well that changes things. I'll look into it further.
Want To Tree Jun 1, 2024 @ 12:05pm 
Originally posted by Skali:
I don't think that Campfire Studio is related to this developer.

Perhaps not, a bit weird as steamdb lists those games along with Soulmask as being their titles: https://steamdb.info/developer/Campfire+Studio/

I did see a few references of the company being based In St. Louis-based, Missouri and based on that info I found: https://gust.com/companies/campfire_studios_llc

EDIT: It mentions that the company was founded in 2012 along with:

Campfire Studios was created by Kyle Richter, who is currently our President and C.E.O., in 2012. Initially, Campfire worked as a white-label developer, producing games for other companies, without attribution. In 2017, the direction was changed and Campfire began working on their own titles, their way (focused on players, not monetization).

Essentially, it ties into my reasoning above about it likely being an indie that is bound by varying factors regarding disclosure of past work although it does seem that they do have a great deal of experience when it comes to games development.
Last edited by Want To Tree; Jun 1, 2024 @ 12:48pm
leshasta522 Jun 1, 2024 @ 12:18pm 
I mean for me it's really simple. If it's a good game and it looks like something I might enjoy I buy it. I don't care who makes it or where it comes from if I enjoy the game.
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