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Here are a few suggestions / things to fix:
- Add a short sentence and link to www.speedrun.com/ofdp - something like: "Also, check www.speedrun.com/ofdp for another form of competition: trying to finish the level mode as fast as possible."
(In www.speedrun.com/ofdp/forum I've alread added a link to this thread to help keep both communities connected)
- Add: "For people who lost their save-game or didn't unlock the 5 skills yet, download the save game 'To speedrun Grandmaster' at: www.speedrun.com/ofdp/resources - which has all skills unlocked."
- Check the "Videos" section on the steam community: https://steamcommunity.com/app/264200/videos/?p=1&browsefilter=mostrecent
There are some more people there who have a place in this leaderboard. By taking a quick look there's a 6566 Blind Survival, and 5842 Luca that should get 1st place, from the users "wantarou" and "leonid". Just a few examples.
- You can link to the user "A." here: https://steamcommunity.com/id/AmirGaris/
- Fix No Luca No 0 skills, the link for the video is broken.
Thanks for the suggestions and the fixes. It was a total n00b move on my part to not check the videos section... :P That's done now, several new records came up.
Here's another update - No Luca No, 5 skills @ 12114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFX4Vhbs1yE
Very happy with the result, and with the fact that I'm DONE with Luca (was starting to get on my nerves after so many attempts...).
Also beat my record for highest score in a special round of: 298 (Previous was 296). SO CLOSE to 300! but it's really REALLY hard to get there.
Another impressive score, well done! And congrats on the neeeearly 300 in a special round too! I would add that category, but I don't think anyone is even trying to compete in there for now :D
Anyway, leaderboard updated. Everyone in Blind Mode is now trembling.
Anyway, I have fully developed my final strategy; I'm calling it All-Or-None (AON).
The goal is to always enter special rounds with either 10HP (they don't accelerate), or 1HP (they accelerate, buy you farm the highest possible score for that round). Consider X to be the total number of rounds that you expect to survive for. You should enter the first X-19 special rounds with 10HP, and the last 19 special rounds with 1HP. If you make a mistake, and drop to 9HP in an early round that you should enter with 10HP, then drop further to 1HP and farm a high score for that round, and afterwards return to entering the following rounds with 10HP. Never enter any special round with 2 to 9HP.
Example of how to use this strategy:
- Estimate how many rounds you can last in a certain category: let's assume 28
- Estimate how many rounds you need to heal back to 10HP and survive, after losing to 1HP on purpose: let's assume 3
- Use the PE strategy for 6 rounds = enter the first 6 special rounds with 10HP
- Use the LL strategy for 19 rounds = enter the special rounds 7 to 25 with 1HP
- Stay alive for 3 rounds = from rounds 26 to 28, just try to heal back up to 10HP and survive as long as possible
To use this strategy you need a counter application on-screen to show you what round you are on. I'm using Death Counter + Sound Board[streamersquare.com], which uses "+" as a global hoykey to increment the counter. All you need to do is press "+" when you start the game, and after you leave each special round. Either play in windowed mode, or setup a second monitor to show this information while you are playing.
Some more details about the strategy:
Why is this a HARD strategy to perform, and may cause many attempts to be reset?
Because the LL strategy (dropping to 1HP) is dangerous, and is being performed mid-way through the run, when the speed of enemies starts getting fast, and mistakes can happen.
Why is this the BEST strategy, with the potencial for even higher scores than the LL strategy?
Because it combines the best aspects the PE and LL strategies at different points in time. In the original LL strategy, after 19 special rounds they accelerated so much that you started getting lower and lower scores on each round, and also healed less, increasing the risk of dying during a normal round.
By starting with the PE strategy first, you delay the acceleration of special rounds, which means it will be easier to heal later. Also you can farm higher scores on average with the PE strategy at the lowest possible speed (the start of the game), than with the LL strategy after 19 rounds.
Why 19 rounds? Why not 18 or 20?
Because statistics. Since I already have several videos recorded, I analyzed and started storing numbers from each round and each strategy.
I wanted to calculate:
- The average score of each special round by using PE from the start (lowest speed only).
- The average scores of each special round by using the LL strategy from the start (speed increasing by 1ppf after each round).
... the results:
Therefore, from rounds 20 onwards, it is preferable to do the PE strategy. Obviously you can't switch to PE after LL because the special rounds will already be accelerated, so you need to start with PE, and then switch to LL.
This is indeed VERY risky, and substantially different than the strategy that led you to 12k+ kills. Does that mean you can expect to beat those scores with AON? That would be impressive.
I'm still not sure about one thing: do the special rounds speed up independently of how much you've healed, just taking into accoutn that you've healed?
Because if the speed-up depends on how much you heal each special round, it would seem that going in with 9HP on earlier rounds would still be better than dropping to 1HP once you know you won't go in with 10HP - you would farm only a bit more than a PE special round, but also would not speed it up that much for later.
I might be missing something, though.
In any case, thanks again for taking the time to expose your strategies here, it's really cool.
Also, another note: in 0 skill categories, this strategy is almost identical to pure LL, because I can only survive for 22 rounds total. This means I only do 3 PE rounds before switching to LL. But with 3+ skills (around 30 rounds total) it should make a bigger difference.
Yes, the speed up of special rounds is independent of how much you healed. Healing 1 or 9 times makes future rounds accelerate the same. Also, if you don't heal at all (losing the special round after 24 kills or less), the future rounds will also accelerate the same. So the only thing that matters is the lives with which you enter the special round. If you enter with 10HP, they do not accelerate. If you enter with 9 or less HP, they accelerate about 1 ppf.
8005 on Blind Survival, 0 skills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0DUwM4H8ho
This was one really, really good run :) especially since I beat in BLIND my PB from REGULAR survival...
This run features, for the first time, the AON strategy. It makes a small difference with 0 skills because I can only do 2 rounds of PE before starting with LL, but in future videos (3 skills, 5 skills), I hope it can get me even farther.
Stupendous, leaderboard updated. :)
I'm sure the AON strategy helps a lot, but let's not diminish the importance of your sheer skills too: the very ability to choose between PE and LL at will is far from a trivial thing!
Your dedication is inspiring, and it's been helping me work my way up to better results too. Right now my goal is to reach about 3500 in 0 skills survival. I might adapt AON to get a "prudent version" of it, but I'm still figuring out how things really work at my own level.
Well, I didn't exactly "choose PE and LL at will"... I actually had a text file open on my second monitor with my plan written down. Something like "PE until round 2 -> LL until round 18 -> survive". I just look at the plan to know what I was supposed to do next. I wrote down and tested the plan beforehand - that's also why I did 13 attempts for the last run.
By the way, I recommend that you do that - taking notes as your try to improve is very important.
Adapting these strategies to your level is a good idea, although I don't recommend going for AON in your case. AON is only useful for runs that go past 7000 score (20 rounds).
If your goal is 3500 (about 10 rounds?), I recommend using the old LL strategy to farm, and then stopping at around 3000 to recover to 10HP and just survive as long as possible.
Looking forward to seeing your results when you reach your goal. If you manage 3560, you will get 2nd place - past Arkadyus' record.
I've only recorded the end because I think it's the most important part. :)
Music: Kings of Leon - Closer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOjfPCsx9Ss
Well done, and you got really close to the 2nd place too! The post is now updated, 7210 kills. :)
Honestly, I would prefer if contestants would post the entire video, not just the end; especially since the beginning is very important for farming strategies by losing lives.