PLEASE don't take Norimaro out, Capcom.

[WeirdoGeek]

I don't mind if you change a few things in the backgrounds, all I ask is you leave the roster intact. I don't see him on the site, so I'm a bit concerned.

[Stallion]

He is removed from the game, not even in the japanese rom, problems with the license, he is a real life comedian after all.
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure that Marvel HATED his inclusion in the original japanese release because Capcom added him without their consent, so there is also that and why he never made it pass the arcade and psx japanese versions.

[WeirdoGeek]

Originally posted by Stallion:

He is removed from the game, not even in the japanese rom, problems with the license, he is a real life comedian after all.
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure that Marvel HATED his inclusion in the original japanese release because Capcom added him without their consent, so there is also that and why he never made it pass the arcade and psx japanese versions.

I looked up the Japanese rom on Youtube and he's there. Also, he's a fictional character created by a comedian, not a self insert.

[Stallion]

Originally posted by WeirdoGeek:

I looked up the Japanese rom on Youtube and he's there. Also, he's a fictional character created by a comedian, not a self insert.

Post the proof then because he isn't in the rom for this collection, he was moded out. He also isn't listed in the roster of the japanese site:
https://www.capcom-games.com/marvel-vs-capcom-fc/ja-jp/title/marvel-vs-sf/
It doesn't matter if he is a fictional character when he is a real dude that actually exist, in fact, if he is just a fictional character then that's worst because there is, as I said, license issues, the game is crazy as is being a collab between Marvel and Capcom and out of nowhere comes a third license for just a joke character that Marvel didn't even aproved to begin with.

[PhrostB]

norimaro was in 970707 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_K7nUCmYMs

[WeirdoGeek]

Originally posted by PhrostB:

norimaro was in 970707 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_K7nUCmYMs

That's the version the main site says the collection's going to use!

[WeirdoGeek]

Originally posted by Stallion:

Originally posted by WeirdoGeek:

I looked up the Japanese rom on Youtube and he's there. Also, he's a fictional character created by a comedian, not a self insert.

Post the proof then because he isn't in the rom for this collection, he was moded out. He also isn't listed in the roster of the japanese site:
https://www.capcom-games.com/marvel-vs-capcom-fc/ja-jp/title/marvel-vs-sf/
It doesn't matter if he is a fictional character when he is a real dude that actually exist, in fact, if he is just a fictional character then that's worst because there is, as I said, license issues, the game is crazy as is being a collab between Marvel and Capcom and out of nowhere comes a third license for just a joke character that Marvel didn't even aproved to begin with.

Someone else posted a video here just now and I already confirmed he isn't on the official sites' roster.

This is the first I'm hearing of Marvel greatly opposing this character, but Marvel has changed considerably in the past years. Also, I don't think a guest character made specifically for the game and no place else is going to be the licensing nightmare people say it is, especially for some of the richest companies in the business.

Disney runs the show now, don't forget. The fees would be chump change for them if it meant more sales down the line, which it would.

[WeirdoGeek]

Originally posted by Yoni Arousement:

I don't see Norimaro on this official webpage:
https://www.capcom-games.com/marvel-vs-capcom-fc/ja-jp/title/marvel-vs-sf/

I said this in the OP.

[lizard81288]

I guess I'm fine losing him, since they've made Dr. Doom, Juggernaut, Magneto and Cyber Akuma playable

[Stallion]

Originally posted by WeirdoGeek:

Originally posted by Stallion:

Post the proof then because he isn't in the rom for this collection, he was moded out. He also isn't listed in the roster of the japanese site:
https://www.capcom-games.com/marvel-vs-capcom-fc/ja-jp/title/marvel-vs-sf/
It doesn't matter if he is a fictional character when he is a real dude that actually exist, in fact, if he is just a fictional character then that's worst because there is, as I said, license issues, the game is crazy as is being a collab between Marvel and Capcom and out of nowhere comes a third license for just a joke character that Marvel didn't even aproved to begin with.

Someone else posted a video here just now and I already confirmed he isn't on the official sites' roster.

This is the first I'm hearing of Marvel greatly opposing this character, but Marvel has changed considerably in the past years. Also, I don't think a guest character made specifically for the game and no place else is going to be the licensing nightmare people say it is, especially for some of the richest companies in the business.

Disney runs the show now, don't forget. The fees would be chump change for them if it meant more sales down the line, which it would.

Watching a video like that isn't proof tho, I thought u watched some leaked gameplay or something but ofc not lol
It's going to use 970707 but it's going to be moded, they are making Cyber Akuma playable, that wasn't a feature in 970707, so can you say the version of 970707 in this collection and the og 970707 from that video are the same? Answer: no.
Norimaro will be moded out, it's not juist that they didn't list him in the roster, but that he was even removed from the main visual of the game: https://www.capcom-games.com/marvel-vs-capcom-fc/assets/images/title/package_title4.webp
(u can copy-paste that link to see it but it's just the main visual posted in their website, we can't post images here and Steam doesn't let you correctly open links like that)
Search for that image wherever you want, you will always see Norimaro in front of Dhalsim, this is the very first time he isn't there. And before you say it, no, the US release of the game in arcades didn't used that artwork.
(People in reddit already noticed it too: https://www.reddit.com/r/Fighters/comments/1dj224r/they_removed_norimaro/)
And speaking of the US release, the website says ROM Version: JAPAN 970707 / USA 970707
Same version for both territories, they are gonna let Norimaro in the US version? Answer: of course no.
And one last thing... MY DUDE, YOU REALLY THINK DISNEY IS GOING TO ALLOW A RANDOM CHARACTER LIKE THAT JUST TO GET MORE SALES??? DAMN XD
Disney is one of the worst companies out there in terms of licensing, the mere reason why X-MEN characters weren't in MvC Infinite, and why MvC as whole has been death all these years, is exactly because of them, so please, don't waste your time giving your trust to the one enemy this franchise has, there is a reason why this collection IS A HUGE DEAL after all.

Edit: one last thing: https://marvelvscapcom.fandom.com/wiki/Norimaro#:~:text=Norimaro%20was%20removed%20from%20all,character"%20going%20against%20their%20heroes.
"In the copyright notice in all versions of the game, Norimaro's rights are jointly owned by Capcom, Nippon TV, and Arrival. As such, any future use of the character would require the permission from all three companies. Norimaro was removed from all overseas versions of the game. According to former Capcom graphic artist Katsuya Akitomo, Marvel was violently opposed to Norimaro's inclusion, as the company didn't want an "unpowered gag character" going against their heroes. The Capcom staff pleaded with Marvel to use him and eventually reached a compromise where Norimaro would remain an exclusive of the Japanese version."
That's the power of a quick Google search.

[WeirdoGeek]

https://youtu.be/3bImBBTaPDY?si=ET42azgc2R9KfSx6

[NeoStrayCat]

Originally posted by lizard81288:

I guess I'm fine losing him, since they've made Dr. Doom, Juggernaut, Magneto and Cyber Akuma playable

Don't forget the alternate versions of hidden characters in MSH VS SF and MVC 1. Along with Shadow (MSH VS SF), Shadow Lady and Roll (MVC 1).

As for the Norimaro situation so far, I've went and checked out the latest Japanese arcade version and yes, he's there and selectable, however, if you change the coin settings in the game's test menu to 2 coins or higher, he's disabled from the character select and also doesn't appear after the game's intro and title screen call where the "Norimaro Challenges Impossible" would appear. (Not affected if Free Play or 1 coin settings are set. You can select him normally that way.)

However, after checking the the official site of the MVC Collection in JP text, they don't mention anything about Norimaro anywhere (which they could have mentioned on the "Changes from Original" section, but they don't), the play demos though (in a YT vid) for that version does not mention the copyrights and its text for that character in the demo play. Doubtful if he's removed completely from this version entirely if Capcom actually went and modified the arcade rom themselves.

TCRF (The Cutting Room Floor) breaks down the regional differences, and most of them have Norimaro specific stuff.

https://tcrf.net/Marvel_Super_Heroes_vs._Street_Fighter_(Arcade)#Regional_Differences

In short, both the demo play copyright credits and the ending credits list the companies and persons involved for Norimaro in the Japanese version. But not in the English version for licencing reasons, most likely. (Though you can still play him in the English Arcade and Console versions with cheats, hacks, mods, etc.)

So yeah, we'll have to wait and see once its out if they actually removed him completely from the collection, or if he's still there in the game's code, but you can possibly access him unofficially. (Either with memory editors, or in the last resort scenario, through modding.)

[WeirdoGeek]

Originally posted by NeoStrayCat:

Originally posted by lizard81288:

I guess I'm fine losing him, since they've made Dr. Doom, Juggernaut, Magneto and Cyber Akuma playable

Don't forget the alternate versions of hidden characters in MSH VS SF and MVC 1. Along with Shadow (MSH VS SF), Shadow Lady and Roll (MVC 1).

As for the Norimaro situation so far, I've went and checked out the latest Japanese arcade version and yes, he's there and selectable, however, if you change the coin settings in the game's test menu to 2 coins or higher, he's disabled from the character select and also doesn't appear after the game's intro and title screen call where the "Norimaro Challenges Impossible" would appear. (Not affected if Free Play or 1 coin settings are set. You can select him normally that way.)

However, after checking the the official site of the MVC Collection in JP text, they don't mention anything about Norimaro anywhere (which they could have mentioned on the "Changes from Original" section, but they don't), the play demos though (in a YT vid) for that version does not mention the copyrights and its text for that character in the demo play. Doubtful if he's removed completely from this version entirely if Capcom actually went and modified the arcade rom themselves.

TCRF (The Cutting Room Floor) breaks down the regional differences, and most of them have Norimaro specific stuff.

https://tcrf.net/Marvel_Super_Heroes_vs._Street_Fighter_(Arcade)#Regional_Differences

In short, both the demo play copyright credits and the ending credits list the companies and persons involved for Norimaro in the Japanese version. But not in the English version for licencing reasons, most likely. (Though you can still play him in the English Arcade and Console versions with cheats, hacks, mods, etc.)

So yeah, we'll have to wait and see once its out if they actually removed him completely from the collection, or if he's still there in the game's code, but you can possibly access him unofficially. (Either with memory editors, or in the last resort scenario, through modding.)

I'm sure a talented modder can find a way to replace the rom so using him online is possible, but at least we have Saturn emulation for offline play.

Thanks for being polite in your explanation! It means a lot after having the other guy be so snotty. I understand if people are certain he's not going to be there, but don't treat me like an idiot for wanting him in the game. Geez.

[Kaed✩Wolf]

Another possibility is Norimaru being playable only in the japanese Steam version of the game. Which means only people from Japan could download the version of the collection that has him in the game files.

[Stallion]

Originally posted by WeirdoGeek:

Thanks for being polite in your explanation! It means a lot after having the other guy be so snotty. I understand if people are certain he's not going to be there, but don't treat me like an idiot for wanting him in the game. Geez. :hgangry:

When did I treat u like an idiot? lmao 🤣
I talked to u like that because u said u watched a video, like, having evidence to prove my points wrong, and it turned out to be a nothing burger, yet I never treated u like an idiot.
People nowadays are so fkng fragile I swear to God, one tries to explain something and they have a meltdown lmao 💀

Originally posted by WeirdoGeek:

https://youtu.be/3bImBBTaPDY?si=ET42azgc2R9KfSx6

You posting this video as an answer shows it lol, I literally gave u a "wrong" but u keep talking like if it was possible lmao

Also, relying on modders is dumb, if u want someone to mod it then just go play the og rom on fightcade at that point 🤡 Norimaro isn't even that good, u gonna play him once and move on, MvSF isn't even a fan favorite in this collection (for me it's the best one but I know it's the least favorite of the community so it's likely it will be the 1st one to die).

[WeirdoGeek]

To a certain Stallion and whoever gave me those jester awards, (Thank you for the free points, by the by!) if you'd be so kind as to check out the just updated site...