spintires vs snow runner

[failsafe]

Hi guys. I have Spintires and now Im thinking about buying Snow runner as well. Has anyone of you played both games? Do they differ much enough to be actually worth having both?

[failsafe]

Now only 4... you are almost there, dude ;-P

[Actionjackson]

MY 2 cents... snowrunner is good ... but it has the worst driving physics of the series... . If you want decent driving dont buy snowrunner.
Snowrunner has a lot of stuff to do, if you play single player it is a massive grind. However the stock trucks are like its physics/terrain collision. They are part of the problem, they are bad. Its like they gimp the vehicles on purpose so they are bad. Mostly any truck has a big downside that is completely artificial... they try to "balance" things that way.

In spintires the stock trucks where a reference, the where great and you never needed mod trucks if you did not want to. All you needed where mod maps and you be good.

In snowrunner nothing makes sense, the trucks suck and the physics suck, you need to load mod trucks to get good trucks... but carefull, some modders tend to make em very OP but dont inform you about that(Rngr tires as example). So suddenly you find out your mod trucks tires have what feels like double the friction of stock mud tires and suddenly you fly through any mud hole and the game become very boring. You need to look hard to get well made but not OP vehicles.

Now you ask what is snowrunner good at? Visuals... it does look good, no way around that. EDIT: and yes, bigger maps are a definite upside... that is good too.

[Actionjackson]

Mudrunner is a compromise... but what kills mudrunner for me is the missing feature of persistent terrain deformation. It was removed for multiplayer saves i guess and snowrunner did not bring it back. Each time you load the save, all terrain deformation you made is gone and reset to 0.
Also the shifter is terribly dumbed down in mudrunner(for gamepad), and even worse in snowrunner. Only fun shifter is in spintires where it feels good to flick in 1+ in a split second and have it stick without stall. MR and SR dont have that.

But after coming back to mudrunner from snowrunner you find out that the driving is still a lot better than snowrunner.

[Actionjackson]

Also public mutlitplayer in snowrunner, something i enjoy a lot in spintires and also mudrunner, is absolutely trash. To get a lower rating they removed chat from multiplayer... you join a game and there is absolutely no way to talk to anyone, so you have no idea what is going on other than what you see on the map, and what you see if often misleading.

For multiplayer you have to be on the discord and pray that someone is online at that time and hope he want to play with you... and then you have to be on voicecoms and maybe have to endure an annoying person.
Public games with chat was so much more convenient and easy pick up play. But it is gone for publisher greed.

[failsafe]

So, seems that snowrunner is more arcade'ish if I understand correct.

The thing with non-saving changes to terrain... this sounds very much like in game from 90's. Strange.

[Emaulligu]

*cough cough* Dumbed down for console release *cough*

[XANTARES]

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[Jillas]

Originally posted by failsafe:

So, seems that snowrunner is more arcade'ish if I understand correct.

The thing with non-saving changes to terrain... this sounds very much like in game from 90's. Strange.

Yes, SnowRunner is arcade'ish in comparison to SpinTires, but that doesn't mean that this game can't give you a challenge, also I just say that SnowRunner is more fun (especially for a kid), because it just has more stuff that you can do in that game, MudRunner is 1:1 clone of SpinTires, meaning that it won't feel like a different game at all, you still has to move logs like in SpinTires and that's it, there's nothing else to do... SnowRunner has a lot of different cargo that you need to move (not just logs), it has other rescue type of missions where you need to fix the broken cars/trucks, missions where you need to clear the road from debris, build bridges, build oil rigs (land type) and more!

I'm 36 years old, but my inner child is so happy when I play SnowRunner, that I don't even notice any of the flaws in the simulation like other guys say, so I bet your kid would also prefer SnowRunner over MudRunner like I did (a bigger truck park is what makes SnowRunner better). Trucks in SnowRunner has a much better attention to small details, such as random stuff sliding in the back of the truck when you ride over a bumpy terrain, it looks very natural and life-like!

It is also worth to mention that MudRunner has less in-game content, you can "complete" all MudRunner maps in less than a week, and soon you will have to revert to mods or else your kid won't have a will to replay the same maps over and over, while SnowRunner has no such problem, the base version of the game has up to 200 hours of in-game content, that game is HUGE! And if you purchase the full package with all expansions you can add 400 more hours of gameplay before you feel the need that you have to revert to mods!

[TheOrangeBox]

Originally posted by failsafe:

So, seems that snowrunner is more arcade'ish if I understand correct.

The thing with non-saving changes to terrain... this sounds very much like in game from 90's. Strange.

They did make Snowrunner with a different game engine (due to legal matters) and while they tried to replicate the physics of the previous games (Spintires-Mudrunner), they couldn't get the same result.

So the limitation is a technical ones, they also seem to have spent less time refining the physics for each truck/vehicles, a user once went through the process to alter the data with better result spending a considerable time to do so. Understandably companies prefer make content for revenues like more DLC for sale.

Your son might also have a group of friends that have already Snowrunner and play it in a group, so I presume he wants to join them as well.
As Snowrunner is the latest and greatest (in marketing eyes), has more players and also supports crossplay between PC and PlayStation, and Xbox (also Switch I believe).

[failsafe]

Originally posted by Emaulligu:

*cough cough* Dumbed down for console release *cough*

Oh, this happens from time to time, right? ;-P

[failsafe]

Originally posted by Jillas ⁧⁧🐰:

Originally posted by failsafe:

So, seems that snowrunner is more arcade'ish if I understand correct.

The thing with non-saving changes to terrain... this sounds very much like in game from 90's. Strange.

Yes, SnowRunner is arcade'ish in comparison to SpinTires, but that doesn't mean that this game can't give you a challenge, also I just say that SnowRunner is more fun (especially for a kid), because it just has more stuff that you can do in that game, MudRunner is 1:1 clone of SpinTires, meaning that it won't feel like a different game at all, you still has to move logs like in SpinTires and that's it, there's nothing else to do... SnowRunner has a lot of different cargo that you need to move (not just logs), it has other rescue type of missions where you need to fix the broken cars/trucks, missions where you need to clear the road from debris, build bridges, build oil rigs (land type) and more!

I'm 36 years old, but my inner child is so happy when I play SnowRunner, that I don't even notice any of the flaws in the simulation like other guys say, so I bet your kid would also prefer SnowRunner over MudRunner like I did (a bigger truck park is what makes SnowRunner better). Trucks in SnowRunner has a much better attention to small details, such as random stuff sliding in the back of the truck when you ride over a bumpy terrain, it looks very natural and life-like!

It is also worth to mention that MudRunner has less in-game content, you can "complete" all MudRunner maps in less than a week, and soon you will have to revert to mods or else your kid won't have a will to replay the same maps over and over, while SnowRunner has no such problem, the base version of the game has up to 200 hours of in-game content, that game is HUGE! And if you purchase the full package with all expansions you can add 400 more hours of gameplay before you feel the need that you have to revert to mods!

But most of the content in SR comes from DLC, right? I mean to have all this content one has to pay like... 80 EUR? This puts SR among most expensive games on steam... though Paradox would say "hold my beer" now. I kind of dislike games where content requires multiple purchases - I think it is my nature of being a certain type of customer. Anyway, base game is not that expensive (20 EUR) but the question is whether base game is really fun or all this content you mentioned comes from all DLC? I think rescue missions come from DLC (I remember this particular DLC).

[failsafe]

Originally posted by TheOrangeBox:

Originally posted by failsafe:

So, seems that snowrunner is more arcade'ish if I understand correct.

The thing with non-saving changes to terrain... this sounds very much like in game from 90's. Strange.

They did make Snowrunner with a different game engine (due to legal matters) and while they tried to replicate the physics of the previous games (Spintires-Mudrunner), they couldn't get the same result.

So the limitation is a technical ones, they also seem to have spent less time refining the physics for each truck/vehicles, a user once went through the process to alter the data with better result spending a considerable time to do so. Understandably companies prefer make content for revenues like more DLC for sale.

Your son might also have a group of friends that have already Snowrunner and play it in a group, so I presume he wants to join them as well.
As Snowrunner is the latest and greatest (in marketing eyes), has more players and also supports crossplay between PC and PlayStation, and Xbox (also Switch I believe).

I remember the thing about dev crew splitting and some legal issues later on, but I'm not fully up to date. Anyway, shame that they didnt really solve problems with physics... on the other hand... if something faulty is selling... it can be considered not faulty ;-P

[Emaulligu]

There's no "rescue missions". Phase 9 asks you to fight forest fires, but in the end it just means "deliver a water tank to X location to rebuild the water tower".

The base game itself will still hold you for quite a while, there's a fair amount of both maps and trucks.
But it does have a lot of DLC, as well as some not even included in Season Passes for no reasons other than because they know people will buy them anyway.

[Emaulligu]

There's both a technical aspect and a human one.
You can tell the game clearly switched direction and that some of the things that made the first games great was not their primary concern anymore.

They put more work into making the game trending than they did in making it working.
Surprise surprise that's also exactly what they did with the Dakar game, except this time it didn't work.

[Emaulligu]

It's not "technical limitations" that made them ditch the realistic gearbox to leave only the arcade simplified one.
Or the fact that somehow Snowrunner isn't working properly with wheels.