What happened to Spintires?

[noracosma]

Can someone answer me these questions please? Why is no more Spintires on Steam and why the developers didn't make any game updates and didn't posted anything on there Facebook page since 2020, even thou they sad that they have a NEW CONTENT for the year 2021 that they CAN'T WAIT TO SHARE WITH US. Did Spintires got some how canceled? Please tell me, I really wanna know what is going on with Spintires!

[Unster]

Messaggio originale di Actionjackson:

I think all this would be easy to let go if SR would be a good game.

Saber/Focus wouldn't admit it, but perhaps even they know SR falls short of a quality trucking simulator game, and obviously they feared Oovee and ST otherwise why would they try to take them off the market through these legal means. What a sad state of affairs. Saber is everything that a game company shouldn't be. If they at least made a worthy sequel, I would have some respect for them. And if they had left Oovee alone, I'd respect them fully. But they've done the opposite. To be fair, Oovee may have bitten off more than they could chew too. I'm not really sure who started the legal fight.

[noracosma]

Messaggio originale di Actionjackson:

I think all this would be easy to let go if SR would be a good game. It sold well(mostly on consoles), the "game"mechanics are good, but the physics, the base game trucks, and the new dev team is trash. They ruined the sandbox/simulation and made a game out of it, it does feel different to play it. I know some like that and dont care about sim aspects.

MR is right in the middle... to me it is just the console port of Spinitres as a money grab by saber/focus, to pull players over to them and establish a console fanbase.
Gameplay is just spintires without persistant mud, and other simplifications like low res everything, probably made for consoles, who knows.

In any case, the series is dead. The gentrification has killed it and SR is the result. Yay i guess, they made a lot of money, but i dont give a damn about their money, i would like a good game please, and SR is not it, at least for me.

True, it would not be such a pain in the ass if we have a good or even better replacement for ST, but we don't. This is the reason why we can't just accept that the game is dead and we are probably never gonna see it again (hope NOT). In my opinion if something like this happens, MR is the best replacement for ST (is not as good, but it works). For many people SR is like CyberPunk 2077 (The next generation of disappointment), they lie to people about the game, steal their money and the make gamers sad and disappointed. I mean is NOT total trash, you do have neat and special things in it too, but is not what we hope of from the game :,( should have make it cheaper. Saber is more of a business men company not one of developers. Their are focused more on making money, business, their goal is to sell their product not the quality of it. That the advantage of a very small developers team, like Oovee, they care more about the game, not the money. I think they even have planned to add snow, tracked vehicles and all new cool features to the game, just that well this happened and now the game is in coma

[Unster]

It is a business to all game companies. Nothing wrong with making a profit. But the difference between game companies often is passion and quality. For some, it's pure business, just look at how we can milk this product or series. For others, it's a passion that happens to also be their job. The difference in the product is obvious.

[noracosma]

To all guys that say that Zane ignored Pavel's ideas, just take a look a the new ST DLCs, in the Aftermath DLC your opponent is not the mud, but the abundant deep water, a thing that changes the way you play the map. The Chernobly DLC, here you fight against radiation an other thing that changes the gameplay you could take the high irradiated asphalt road or the deep mud road. Then we have the Ural challenge DLC, where we get the new useful tire pressure regulator and a thing that nobody would think, amphibious vehicles now you can cruise not just over mud, but also over water + a new 5 star vehicle (sherp 10x10 Ark). then we have the Vehicle Pack DLC were we get not just new trucks and a new tractor, but also new trailers. And finally we got China Adventure DLC were we get new special vehicles such as Jeifang CA 30 with special Adons, but also new tires and flatbed for Gaz 66, along with 2 new maps, the beautiful China village and the hard and dangerous China canyon were you fight against the canyon itself with it's hard curves and cliffs. And also in China Adventure DLC we get our long requested feature NEW TYPES OF CARGO (2 new types). As you see Zane was going to implement what we wanted and I'm sure that he was going to put in the game tracked vehicles and snow, just that he didn't have enough time to do it because BOOM Saber F*** the hole progress with their illegal s***, cause they knew that ST slowly, but surly eats SR. I guess Saber f*** out when they saw new types of cargo in ST , so probably they sad: It's getting closer and closer to SR, let's stop this game until it's not to strong.

[Unster]

@noracosma, yup sadly that's how it appears. Saber saw Oovee as a threat and pulled out some legal BS, even though Oovee clearly owns ST. BTW, those improvements you're talking about happened post-Pavel. I'm not sure if Zane got those ideas from Pavel. Probably not. I think they were Zane's ideas, with some input from the community including myself. I really felt with the China DLC and new cargo types ST was in full swing, before it all came to an abrupt halt.

One thing I don't get though, is why the store page for ST is gone but ST continues to sell. You can still get Steam keys on other sites or even buy it directly from Steam. Only the store page is removed. It's like Saber got some partial injunction against Oovee, but not enough to completely stop Oovee from selling the game.

[Unster]

BTW, today is exactly 1 year since ST went missing from the store.

[Unster]

Wow, talking about incompetence and SnowRunner, have a look at this recent post, from a long-time fan! I stopped playing the game many months ago. I didn't think it would get even worse in the meantime.
https://forums.focus-entmt.com/topic/62930/next-generation-snow-runner-any-news

[noracosma]

So it wasn't enough that the game pretty much sucked no they are making it worse. F*** it!
Now we don't have ST, MR is dead and SR turns in to an alcoholic, it like Saber is torturing us. Good thing I didn't bought SR when it came out, I knew from the start that the SR is suspicious, like it's all just a lie, just to steal money from us. That's why I bought ST instead, but I also had a feeling for it as well, like when it's gonna get closer to the top it's gonna drop dead. My gamer-sense (just like spider-sense) never lies. I'm also sensing that ST gonna be in comma for the next 2 or 3 years, but it's gonna get back and when it gets back is gonna start a total war between ST and SR. I'm talking about updates after updates every month both for ST and SR and Saber stealing ideas from Oovee and vice versa, but it's gonna be good for us, the players, frequent updates will turn both games in to masterpieces. There will be no war winner just the one that made more money and sell more copies. Talking about the money, how is it possible that ST that has all the vehicles licensed is cheaper that SR that has only a half of them licensed? (I guess that because SR has more trucks and more licensed to pay, probably)

[Unster]

Messaggio originale di noracosma:

There will be no war winner just the one that made more money and sell more copies. Talking about the money, how is it possible that ST that has all the vehicles licensed is cheaper that SR that has only a half of them licensed? (I guess that because SR has more trucks and more licensed to pay, probably)

I hope you're right, but the eternal pessimist/realist in me says in 2-3 years time SR will be dead too, so we'll have 3 dead games on the pile.

Regarding vehicle licenses, the only one that's licensed in ST is the Sherp. The rest are nameless replicas. SR is more expensive because it's a newer game with mostly better graphics (with some flaws though). But newer/more expensive is not always better, as we can clearly see.

For Saber the series is just a cash cow. They have little knowledge about trucks, physics or good programming practices. They are just milking what Pavel and Oovee originally created. Before Pavel went to work for Oovee, Saber didn't want to touch his project. Oovee is the one that saw potential in it and made it into a full-fledged game. Then when Saber saw the success, they wanted to get in on that too. You know the rest.

[TheOrangeBox]

Here's the next Saber iteration of Snowrunner - Sandrunner

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1839940/Dakar_Desert_Rally/

[Unster]

Messaggio originale di TheOrangeBox:

Here's the next Saber iteration of Snowrunner - Sandrunner

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1839940/Dakar_Desert_Rally/

Interesting. I wonder if Saber will improve the physics or it's going to be the same floating jelly-wheel VROOM VROOM driving without a shifter arcade game. Anyway, there's already this kind of gameplay with much better physics in BeamNG, though without the deformable sand (assuming this one has it).

[TheOrangeBox]

Messaggio originale di Unster:

Interesting. I wonder if Saber will improve the physics or it's going to be the same floating jelly-wheel VROOM VROOM driving without a shifter arcade game. Anyway, there's already this kind of gameplay with much better physics in BeamNG, though without the deformable sand (assuming this one has it).

You can already play it here as it's the same game with the difference that Saber bought the dev - so Snowrunner comes to the end of development and now they're taking over the Sandrunner.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/767390/Dakar_18/

[noracosma]

Messaggio originale di Unster:

Regarding vehicle licenses, the only one that's licensed in ST is the Sherp. The rest are nameless replicas. SR is more expensive because it's a newer game with mostly better graphics (with some flaws though). But newer/more expensive is not always better, as we can clearly see.

For Saber the series is just a cash cow. They have little knowledge about trucks, physics or good programming practices. They are just milking what Pavel and Oovee originally created. Before Pavel went to work for Oovee, Saber didn't want to touch his project. Oovee is the one that saw potential in it and made it into a full-fledged game. Then when Saber saw the success, they wanted to get in on that too. You know the rest.

So ST is in comma, MR dead, buried deep underground with tombstone saying: "It was a neat game and SR turns in to an alcoholic and as you sad it's gonna die in 2 or 3 years, and now we got Dakar 18 which as the other ones before it is an ORS (off-road simulator), is killed by Dakar Sand Rally which as we all know Saber is probably (hope NOT) gonna be fiasco just as SR. I don't know about you, but it seems that this F****** Saber F**** the future of all good off-road simulators. They are horrible at making ORS , why can't they just admit it and do something about it or don't do anything and lave ORS alone. Somebody must shoot that saber-tooth right in between the eyes, 'till it does not too much damage!

[Unster]

The current team on SR is terrible, but this Dakar game will be done by Saber Porto, which I assume is some new studio that Saber acquired. So it's probably a different team. Maybe the project won't be a total mess.

[TheOrangeBox]

Forget about any vehicle terrain physics simulation in Dakar as it will have the same physics as in Mario Cart . . .