This game probably won't run on LINUX?

[Daz]

Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: GuardIT

You're gonna lose a lot of customers.

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Originally posted by Daz:

You're gonna lose a lot of customers.

the 0.1%?

[Daz]

Steamdeck users, other Linux users, and those who hate DRM. Only fools use Windows these days ;)

"By July 2023, it was estimated that there are around 3 million Steam Decks sold, and if 40% of Linux users on Steam are using a Steam Deck, this suggests there are approximately 7.5 million Linux users on Steam."

[JocularJosh]

Originally posted by Daz:

Steamdeck users, other Linux users, and those who hate DRM. Only fools use Windows these days ;)

"By July 2023, it was estimated that there are around 3 million Steam Decks sold, and if 40% of Linux users on Steam are using a Steam Deck, this suggests there are approximately 7.5 million Linux users on Steam."

Compared to the other 125 million user NOT using Linux.

Linux users are the tiny minority which is why a lot of games aren't even made for Linux. Especially for indie devs it's simply not worth the effort.

Now as far as I remember Elden Ring itself did run on steamdeck, no? It's been a while since I last checked. And from what I have seen online nobody talks about guardit preventing a game from running on linux. Guess we'll just have to wait and see when the full release comes out.

[Daz]

Elden Ring didn't user GuardIT, obviously. And it's around 1.45 to just over 2 percent (according to recent statistics) of users not 0.1 percent.

There is zero chance that anyone, with any sense, will run a game with GuardIT incorporated into it.

You Windows users just love sharing your data. Good luck to you, I suppose.

Games and game companies have faced boycotts due to the use of Digital Rights Management (DRM) systems. Some notable examples include:

Spore: This game required constant internet connection and used intrusive DRM, causing issues for legitimate purchasers at launch.

Assassin's Creed II: It used Securom 7 DRM, which required a constant internet connection to play, leading to consumer dissatisfaction.

Civilization 4: Colonization and Civilization 5: Both games were boycotted due to their DRM systems.

Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Game for Windows Live): The game's DRM system caused significant issues for players trying to access multiplayer modes.

Hitman 2016: GOG faced a boycott when they planned to release this game, which included DRM, but later removed it from their store.

Denuvo: While not a specific game, Denuvo is a DRM technology that has led to boycotts of games that use it, such as Sonic Mania.

And lets not forget what happened to Quake Champions ;)

These boycotts highlight the frustration among gamers regarding DRM's impact on gameplay and the perception that DRM primarily affects legitimate users rather than pirates.

Thinking about the DRM and looking into Arxan Technologies has put me right off this game.

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Originally posted by Daz:

Elden Ring didn't user GuardIT, obviously. And it's around 1.45 to just over 2 percent (according to recent statistics) of users not 0.1 percent.

and? doesn't mean all 2 percent will buy the game, so 0.1% is more accurate

and even if they do, it's still a tiny and insignificant minority

[Daz]

I think we have moved beyond that argument. They can stick their DRM up their jacksies.

[csand]

Originally posted by Daz:

Elden Ring didn't user GuardIT, obviously. And it's around 1.45 to just over 2 percent (according to recent statistics) of users not 0.1 percent.

There is zero chance that anyone, with any sense, will run a game with GuardIT incorporated into it.

You Windows users just love sharing your data. Good luck to you, I suppose.

*snip*

Thinking about the DRM and looking into Arxan Technologies has put me right off this game.

Given the amount of condescension on display in your post, one might think you actually looked into what you're talking about

GuardIT/Arxan doesn't phone home like some other DRMs, or share any data. It only will check if the actual DRM, which on Steam is Steamstub, has been modified. It doesn't require any server connection to allow your game to run. DRM is what it is, but this one at least is not invasive

Steam client, on the other hand, collects a ton of information for Valve. You seem perfectly OK with that, though
https://privacy.commonsense.org/privacy-report/Steam

The actual major issue that causes devs to drop support for Proton or Linux, is that Easy Anti cheat and other anti cheat don't work properly on Linux and are relatively trivial to bypass and use things like Cheat Engine while in online play. It's a tough situation for developers and some have stopped support completely because of it (mostly competitive games, for obvious reasons)

[Daz]

Yeah, I've read all that. Doesn't mean I believe it. After all, I'm not a windows user ;)

And why would I want that on my system? Is any software perfect? Can it not be updated? On Windows especially, where silent updates are easily achieved?

And of course, we live in a world where all Cyber Security companies are beyond reproach and 100 percent trustworthy, don't we?

Well, steam allows me access to 1000's of games, doesn't it? We make sacrifices sometimes... Of course, I have steam installed using Flatpak so it's sand-boxed and more secure, and I run Flatseal on it. And I'm using Proton which runs games in a more isolated environment compared to running them natively on Windows

Nah. I'll skip it.

[caramelsunface]

Personally, I am kind of bummed if it doesn't end up with Linux support, this is practically the first Souls that FS has made with a heavy emphasis on multiplayer in mind, it would really suck if not everyone would be accounted for. It's like how the game isn't gonna have crossplay, but arguably worse since this is a whole platform being shunned from playing here, it just doesn't sound very fair. Besides, I like my Steam Deck, and it would be fun to play Nightreign on it.

[Daz]

They should remove the DRM.

[csand]

Originally posted by Daz:

Yeah, I've read all that. Doesn't mean I believe it. After all, I'm not a windows user ;)

Well surely with the super intelligence and technical clout you gained from using Linux, you can run a basic network analysis to verify!


The classic joke comes to mind

"How can you tell someone uses Linux?"

Find out[imgflip.com]

[csand]

Originally posted by pearto:

Personally, I am kind of bummed if it doesn't end up with Linux support, this is practically the first Souls that FS has made with a heavy emphasis on multiplayer in mind, it would really suck if not everyone would be accounted for. It's like how the game isn't gonna have crossplay, but arguably worse since this is a whole platform being shunned from playing here, it just doesn't sound very fair. Besides, I like my Steam Deck, and it would be fun to play Nightreign on it.

The Arxan GuardIT DRM will work fine on Linux and won't be the blocker. Its baked into the binary of the game. I agree with you, but the main issue they are facing right now is that anti cheat doesn't work on Linux/Proton.

Elden Ring is saturated with cheaters online right now because of this, and other (non-Fromsoft) games have pulled support for the same reason. Serious cheats that will ruin your save file or crash your game. So unless Valve fixes it, it is highly possible they will avoid Linux this time around. Which would be a bummer especially for Steam Deck users

[Daz]

Actually, you made me think about virtualizing my steam install, so yeah, you have a good point.

Oh, at least try to be a bit original more with the memes.

[csand]

Originally posted by Daz:

Actually, you made me think about virtualizing my steam install, so yeah you have a good point.

Oh, at least try to be a bit original with the memes.

remember to virtualize your virtualized steam install for greater protection. And then virtualize that, the more layers, the more protected you are

[Daz]

I already have condoms on my fingers and 29 firewalls, so I think I'll be OK!

You should try Linux gaming on a decent PC sometime. It's a far superior experience to Windows, and it's not just about security.