ELDEN RING NIGHTREIGN

ELDEN RING NIGHTREIGN

[Nimbl3_] Dec 19, 2024 @ 7:16am
This is ridiculous!
Souls community: Every new game is a reskin of DS1
From software: Tries different approach
Souls community: This is not a souls-like game
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Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
Originally posted by Hollow-Enigma:
Your analogy assumes that Nightreign is a complete departure from the established themes and identity of Elden Ring, which isn’t the case. Nightreign still explores the core elements of FromSoftware’s design philosophy such as challenging gameplay, intricate lore, and atmospheric world-building then attaching the Elden Ring name is not the same as slapping a sports brand onto a fishing simulator. It’s more like exploring a new narrative or gameplay angle within the same thematic universe, which can deepen the franchise rather than diminish it.

A franchise evolving and experimenting with new ideas isn’t inherently a bad thing. Just look at Bloodborne, which shifted away from the traditional medieval fantasy of Dark Souls to gothic horror while retaining the essence of a souls game. Fans didn’t reject it simply because it wasn’t Dark Souls instead, they embraced it as an extension of the studio’s creative capabilities.

Calling it a "different game altogether" might feel cleaner, but that doesn’t mean using the Elden Ring name is inherently wrong. If the game introduces a new angle to the lore or gameplay while respecting the core identity, it’s adding to the franchise, not diminishing it. Judging it as “ridiculous” before seeing how well it integrates with the Elden Ring foundation feels premature and dismissive of the creative possibilities.
But it is because souls is now a genre which means it has criteria to be considered souls like. Not even a casual would look at that game and go yes that is a souls game. No one would .

Why does that game NEED to have elden ring attached to it if it is a good game? Why wouldn't or couldn't they make unique bosses and keep the same format? Because clearly people who pick up that game looking for an actual souls experience would be immensely disappointed because its not a souls game.

It has characters from a souls game and a setting. No different than a game like street fighter sticking a marvel character in there with a marvel background. This game wouldn't even have the attention or anything if it didn't have elden rings name attached to it.
It's cute that you think that Fromsoft "needed" to attach Elden Ring to the title, as if anything they put out wouldn't immediately get attention. Especially since what most people seem to be excited about is the asset-flipped Nameless king.

It's called Elden Ring because it's set in the lands between (or some version of it, at least). Additionally, Elden Ring already had plenty of departures of its own from established souls-like mechanics at the time, so I guess that means it's not a souls-like to begin with? Who knows.

I look forward to playing this game for what it seems to be; an all-stars Boss Rush mode á la Fromsoft . Which is *fine* for a one-off. At least it's an improvement over that one time they re-shuffled all the enemies in Dark Souls 2 and released it as a new game.
Truth Bringer Dec 21, 2024 @ 1:47am 
Originally posted by Incomparable Groan:
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
But it is because souls is now a genre which means it has criteria to be considered souls like. Not even a casual would look at that game and go yes that is a souls game. No one would .

Why does that game NEED to have elden ring attached to it if it is a good game? Why wouldn't or couldn't they make unique bosses and keep the same format? Because clearly people who pick up that game looking for an actual souls experience would be immensely disappointed because its not a souls game.

It has characters from a souls game and a setting. No different than a game like street fighter sticking a marvel character in there with a marvel background. This game wouldn't even have the attention or anything if it didn't have elden rings name attached to it.
It's cute that you think that Fromsoft "needed" to attach Elden Ring to the title, as if anything they put out wouldn't immediately get attention. Especially since what most people seem to be excited about is the asset-flipped Nameless king.

It's called Elden Ring because it's set in the lands between (or some version of it, at least). Additionally, Elden Ring already had plenty of departures of its own from established souls-like mechanics at the time, so I guess that means it's not a souls-like to begin with? Who knows.

I look forward to playing this game for what it seems to be; an all-stars Boss Rush mode á la Fromsoft . Which is *fine* for a one-off. At least it's an improvement over that one time they re-shuffled all the enemies in Dark Souls 2 and released it as a new game.
Of course they need to This game would not stand on its own with how they marketed it if they hadn't called it elden ring and its not just about the attention is about the sales. Putting elden ring in the title will get more sales. How do you think they get money to continue making games. You think from soft or sony just pulls 250 million out of their ass? No they get it from previous games being made. So, if they have a big project they want to work on they do need to put out and make alot of money. Not everything from soft puts out gets attention. That isn't even the case. You want them to make bigger and better games well now they need over the 100-250 million dollars to make another game.
Last edited by Truth Bringer; Dec 21, 2024 @ 1:53am
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
Originally posted by Incomparable Groan:
It's cute that you think that Fromsoft "needed" to attach Elden Ring to the title, as if anything they put out wouldn't immediately get attention. Especially since what most people seem to be excited about is the asset-flipped Nameless king.

It's called Elden Ring because it's set in the lands between (or some version of it, at least). Additionally, Elden Ring already had plenty of departures of its own from established souls-like mechanics at the time, so I guess that means it's not a souls-like to begin with? Who knows.

I look forward to playing this game for what it seems to be; an all-stars Boss Rush mode á la Fromsoft . Which is *fine* for a one-off. At least it's an improvement over that one time they re-shuffled all the enemies in Dark Souls 2 and released it as a new game.
Of course they need to put games out. How do you think they get money to continue making games. You think from soft or sony just pulls 250 million out of their ass? No they get it from previous games being made. So, if they have a big project they want to work on they do need to put out and make alot of money.
Jesus christ.

My point is that they could've called the game *anything* and it would've gotten as much attention because it still would've been "The new Fromsoft title".

Look the hype leading up to the releases of Sekiro, Bloodborne. Heck, even Elden Ring itself. None were part of established franchises and made significant departures from souls-mechanics at the time.
Truth Bringer Dec 21, 2024 @ 1:57am 
Originally posted by Incomparable Groan:
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
Of course they need to put games out. How do you think they get money to continue making games. You think from soft or sony just pulls 250 million out of their ass? No they get it from previous games being made. So, if they have a big project they want to work on they do need to put out and make alot of money.
Jesus christ.

My point is that they could've called the game *anything* and it would've gotten as much attention because it still would've been "The new Fromsoft title".

Look the hype leading up to the releases of Sekiro, Bloodborne. Heck, even Elden Ring itself. None were part of established franchises and made significant departures from souls-mechanics at the time.
No it wouldn't have. If i slapped elden ring on there not only is it going to spread faster but people are more than likely going to buy it than just saying hey we made a boss run titled. I don't think you know how marketing works.

Marketing works by convincing someone they REALLY want this game and if you don't think that putting elden ring in that title didn't massively boost how wide the word spread and the interest it got then wow there just really isn't anything to say to you good luck believing that. I don't believe putting elden ring in there isn't boosting the sales for it and if they want the game to be successful then they need high numbers.

If a game makes less than the previous one it can be seen as a failure to investors. Even if it made its money back plus some.
Last edited by Truth Bringer; Dec 21, 2024 @ 1:58am
JocularJosh Dec 21, 2024 @ 2:00am 
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
Originally posted by Incomparable Groan:
Jesus christ.

My point is that they could've called the game *anything* and it would've gotten as much attention because it still would've been "The new Fromsoft title".

Look the hype leading up to the releases of Sekiro, Bloodborne. Heck, even Elden Ring itself. None were part of established franchises and made significant departures from souls-mechanics at the time.
No it wouldn't have. If i slapped elden ring on there not only is it going to spread faster but people are more than likely going to buy it than just saying hey we made a boss run titled. I don't think you know how marketing works.

Marketing works by convincing someone they REALLY want this game and if you don't think that putting elden ring in that title didn't massively boost how wide the word spread and the interest it got then wow there just really isn't anything to say to you good luck believing that. I don't believe putting elden ring in there isn't boosting the sales for it.
To some degree I can agree with this but the other person also has a point.

The name FromSoft alone is enough to make people want to buy their games. I have watched plenty of reactions to the Nightreign trailer and the second people see "FromSoft" they lose their minds. Most of them didn't even realize it had anything to do with Elden Ring originally.

Sure, it definitely helps securing more sales but they would have gotten a ton of sales either way simply because it's FromSoft and people trust them.
Truth Bringer Dec 21, 2024 @ 2:02am 
Originally posted by JocularJosh:
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
No it wouldn't have. If i slapped elden ring on there not only is it going to spread faster but people are more than likely going to buy it than just saying hey we made a boss run titled. I don't think you know how marketing works.

Marketing works by convincing someone they REALLY want this game and if you don't think that putting elden ring in that title didn't massively boost how wide the word spread and the interest it got then wow there just really isn't anything to say to you good luck believing that. I don't believe putting elden ring in there isn't boosting the sales for it.
To some degree I can agree with this but the other person also has a point.

The name FromSoft alone is enough to make people want to buy their games. I have watched plenty of reactions to the Nightreign trailer and the second people see "FromSoft" they lose their minds. Most of them didn't even realize it had anything to do with Elden Ring originally.

Sure, it definitely helps securing more sales but they would have gotten a ton of sales either way simply because it's FromSoft and people trust them.
From soft only has so much credit with the public. This especially today only goes so far. They need this to sell well because their company is most likely getting more stock bought by sony. The NEED this to work because sony doesn't care about how creative miyazaki is. It also needs to do well to KEEP and GAIN credit with the public.

They (sony) care about making more money each and every time. They do not care about good games nor do they care about miyazaki's feelings or say so. They care about money. So from soft still needs these marketing techniques more so now than ever.
Last edited by Truth Bringer; Dec 21, 2024 @ 2:04am
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
Originally posted by Incomparable Groan:
Jesus christ.

My point is that they could've called the game *anything* and it would've gotten as much attention because it still would've been "The new Fromsoft title".

Look the hype leading up to the releases of Sekiro, Bloodborne. Heck, even Elden Ring itself. None were part of established franchises and made significant departures from souls-mechanics at the time.
No it wouldn't have. If i slapped elden ring on there not only is it going to spread faster but people are more than likely going to buy it than just saying hey we made a boss run titled. I don't think you know how marketing works.

Marketing works by convincing someone they REALLY want this game and if you don't think that putting elden ring in that title didn't massively boost how wide the word spread and the interest it got then wow there just really isn't anything to say to you good luck believing that. I don't believe putting elden ring in there isn't boosting the sales for it.
When was the last time Fromsoft released a title (or even trailer, for that matter) that wasn't immediately a hot topic?

The initial trailer of Elden Ring had CGI scenes lasting a few seconds without context. But it was enough to send people soaring because "It's the new Fromsoft game!".

I don't think *you* know how marketing works.
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
Originally posted by JocularJosh:
To some degree I can agree with this but the other person also has a point.

The name FromSoft alone is enough to make people want to buy their games. I have watched plenty of reactions to the Nightreign trailer and the second people see "FromSoft" they lose their minds. Most of them didn't even realize it had anything to do with Elden Ring originally.

Sure, it definitely helps securing more sales but they would have gotten a ton of sales either way simply because it's FromSoft and people trust them.
From soft only has so much credit with the public. This especially today only goes so far. They need this to sell well because their company is most likely getting more stock bought by sony. The NEED this to work because sony doesn't care about how creative miyazaki is. It also needs to do well to KEEP and GAIN credit with the public.

They (sony) care about making more money each and every time. They do not care about good games nor do they care about miyazaki's feelings or say so. They care about money. So from soft still needs these marketing techniques more so now than ever.

You say that as if Fromsoft's popularity isn't as high as it has ever been.

Also, if being part of an established franchise is the be-all end-all; why didn't they make Elden Ring part of the Dark Souls franchise then? Just call it Dark Souls 4: The Elden Ring or something I suppose? Surely making their new game part of the established Dark Souls franchise would've had more recognition than starting a new one?

These were rhetorical questions. They didn't need to make it part of the Dark Souls franchise because their brand alone has enough pull. The same applies here.
Truth Bringer Dec 21, 2024 @ 2:22am 
Originally posted by Incomparable Groan:
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
From soft only has so much credit with the public. This especially today only goes so far. They need this to sell well because their company is most likely getting more stock bought by sony. The NEED this to work because sony doesn't care about how creative miyazaki is. It also needs to do well to KEEP and GAIN credit with the public.

They (sony) care about making more money each and every time. They do not care about good games nor do they care about miyazaki's feelings or say so. They care about money. So from soft still needs these marketing techniques more so now than ever.

You say that as if Fromsoft's popularity isn't as high as it has ever been.

Also, if being part of an established franchise is the be-all end-all; why didn't they make Elden Ring part of the Dark Souls franchise then? Just call it Dark Souls 4: The Elden Ring or something I suppose? Surely making their new game part of the established Dark Souls franchise would've had more recognition than starting a new one?

These were rhetorical questions. They didn't need to make it part of the Dark Souls franchise because their brand alone has enough pull. The same applies here.
No what i am saying is just because from soft is good today doesn't mean that that game won't take away some of the public credit they have because it already is. People are already blaming miyazaki even though he has nothing to do with this. Which should say alot really.

The question isn't can this game sell any game can sell even bad games. The question is is it going to sell enough to hold and gain credit with the public and appeasing the investors. In order to do that they can't just sell a game. They have to sell enough of it to make all sides happy. That means yes it still needs the elden ring title to do that. They still needed elden ring to hype this up.
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
Originally posted by Incomparable Groan:

You say that as if Fromsoft's popularity isn't as high as it has ever been.

Also, if being part of an established franchise is the be-all end-all; why didn't they make Elden Ring part of the Dark Souls franchise then? Just call it Dark Souls 4: The Elden Ring or something I suppose? Surely making their new game part of the established Dark Souls franchise would've had more recognition than starting a new one?

These were rhetorical questions. They didn't need to make it part of the Dark Souls franchise because their brand alone has enough pull. The same applies here.
No what i am saying is just because from soft is good today doesn't mean that that game won't take away some of the public credit they have because it already is. People are already blaming miyazaki even though he has nothing to do with this. Which should say alot really.

The question isn't can this game sell any game can sell even bad games. The question is is it going to sell enough to hold and gain credit with the public and appeasing the investors. In order to do that they can't just sell a game. They have to sell enough of it to make all sides happy. That means yes it still needs the elden ring title to do that. They still needed elden ring to hype this up.
This adresses nothing of what I've said. But also, it almost seems conspiratorial at this point.

You're saying they thought the Fromsoft brand would take damage by releasing the game under the Elden Ring brand, and so they figured they'd have to rely on the Elden Ring brand for pull...?

Take a moment and think about what you've just said, Mr Marketing Expert.
Truth Bringer Dec 21, 2024 @ 3:23am 
Originally posted by Incomparable Groan:
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
No what i am saying is just because from soft is good today doesn't mean that that game won't take away some of the public credit they have because it already is. People are already blaming miyazaki even though he has nothing to do with this. Which should say alot really.

The question isn't can this game sell any game can sell even bad games. The question is is it going to sell enough to hold and gain credit with the public and appeasing the investors. In order to do that they can't just sell a game. They have to sell enough of it to make all sides happy. That means yes it still needs the elden ring title to do that. They still needed elden ring to hype this up.
This adresses nothing of what I've said. But also, it almost seems conspiratorial at this point.

You're saying they thought the Fromsoft brand would take damage by releasing the game under the Elden Ring brand, and so they figured they'd have to rely on the Elden Ring brand for pull...?

Take a moment and think about what you've just said, Mr Marketing Expert.
I am saying that they need to put the elden ring brand on it to pull the money they want from it. Will the players like the game or not doesn't really matter as to why they put the elden ring brand on it.
Hollow-Enigma Dec 21, 2024 @ 3:29am 
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
Originally posted by Incomparable Groan:
This adresses nothing of what I've said. But also, it almost seems conspiratorial at this point.

You're saying they thought the Fromsoft brand would take damage by releasing the game under the Elden Ring brand, and so they figured they'd have to rely on the Elden Ring brand for pull...?

Take a moment and think about what you've just said, Mr Marketing Expert.
I am saying that they need to put the elden ring brand on it to pull the money they want from it. Will the players like the game or not doesn't really matter as to why they put the elden ring brand on it.

This statement also contradicts itself. On one hand, you’re saying they’re attaching the Elden Ring brand just to make money, but on the other hand, you’re implying the game doesn’t align with that brand. If they were only after profits, wouldn’t it make more sense to avoid associating the game with Elden Ring to prevent disappointing fans? The fact that they chose to keep the Elden Ring name suggests they believe in the project’s potential and its connection to the franchise, not just a quick cash grab.
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
Originally posted by Incomparable Groan:
This adresses nothing of what I've said. But also, it almost seems conspiratorial at this point.

You're saying they thought the Fromsoft brand would take damage by releasing the game under the Elden Ring brand, and so they figured they'd have to rely on the Elden Ring brand for pull...?

Take a moment and think about what you've just said, Mr Marketing Expert.
I am saying that they need to put the elden ring brand on it to pull the money they want from it. Will the players like the game or not doesn't really matter as to why they put the elden ring brand on it.
No, what you said was that the game needed the Elden Ring brand, or it would've gotten no attention. Because apparently the Fromsoft brand has no pull.
JocularJosh Dec 21, 2024 @ 3:49am 
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
From soft only has so much credit with the public. This especially today only goes so far. They need this to sell well because their company is most likely getting more stock bought by sony. The NEED this to work because sony doesn't care about how creative miyazaki is. It also needs to do well to KEEP and GAIN credit with the public.
I think you are severely underestimating the public here.
People whine about CoD every single year yet every single year it becomes a best seller despite the games being genuinely just okay at best.

CDPR "ruined" their reputation with CP2077 but oh look at that, that game is very positively reviewed and people are already hyping up witcher 4 even though all we have gotten thus far is a cinematic trailer with zero gameplay.

FromSoft hasn't done anything to hurt their reputation yet. Not even in the slightest. Every single game they have released has been a best seller and they have gotten the TGA GOTY award TWICE (first dev to do so). A singular spinoff game is not gonna hurt them in any way even if it turns out to be a failure.

Some may whine about that but even those people will forget everything about it once FromSoft teases their new big project. They'll be fine no matter what.

Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
They (sony) care about making more money each and every time. They do not care about good games nor do they care about miyazaki's feelings or say so. They care about money. So from soft still needs these marketing techniques more so now than ever.
And FromSoft is a sure way to net them a lot of money but let's stop pretending as if Sony having like 10% of the share is going to radically change anything.
Truth Bringer Dec 21, 2024 @ 2:33pm 
Originally posted by JocularJosh:
Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
From soft only has so much credit with the public. This especially today only goes so far. They need this to sell well because their company is most likely getting more stock bought by sony. The NEED this to work because sony doesn't care about how creative miyazaki is. It also needs to do well to KEEP and GAIN credit with the public.
I think you are severely underestimating the public here.
People whine about CoD every single year yet every single year it becomes a best seller despite the games being genuinely just okay at best.

CDPR "ruined" their reputation with CP2077 but oh look at that, that game is very positively reviewed and people are already hyping up witcher 4 even though all we have gotten thus far is a cinematic trailer with zero gameplay.

FromSoft hasn't done anything to hurt their reputation yet. Not even in the slightest. Every single game they have released has been a best seller and they have gotten the TGA GOTY award TWICE (first dev to do so). A singular spinoff game is not gonna hurt them in any way even if it turns out to be a failure.

Some may whine about that but even those people will forget everything about it once FromSoft teases their new big project. They'll be fine no matter what.

Originally posted by Truth Bringer:
They (sony) care about making more money each and every time. They do not care about good games nor do they care about miyazaki's feelings or say so. They care about money. So from soft still needs these marketing techniques more so now than ever.
And FromSoft is a sure way to net them a lot of money but let's stop pretending as if Sony having like 10% of the share is going to radically change anything.
https://fandomwire.com/hidetaka-miyazakis-nightmare-sony-becoming-largest-shareholder-in-fromsoft-parent-corp-is-the-worst-scenario-for-one-horrible-reason/
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