Kernel Level Anti-cheat

[SecondLeaseGamer]

Jesus... I love Fromsoftware and was hype AF for a multiplayer game, but the only thing worse than Denuvo is Kernel Level Anti-cheat. Whats with devs being so lazy and poor at programming that they require the kernel level access to prevent cheater and hackers? This is gonna be a hard pass for me.

[treos100]

Originally posted by csand:

Sadly there is no other good way to stop the vast majority of cheaters other than thrse types of anti cheats.

news flash: not even kernel level anticheat stops cheating and hackers! there is no such thing as unhackable software!

how many times do games have to come out with this malware and be completely overrun with hackers and cheaters before you people wake up and smell the BS?

NOTHING will ever fully stop hackers and cheaters because it is a literally impossible task.

go outside and play with physical objects irl if you want that to have a chance of being possible.

plus, EAC has never done much to stop cheating in games even before evolving into kernel level malware. to the point where it's been known as "it's called easy anticheat because it's easily bypassed" for years, if not since it was first made.

i seriously doubt it being a root kit will change that.

also, please check blame truth's youtube channel if you want to see just how bad this kind of anticheat software is.

it's literally the meme.

gamers: this will stop hackers and cheaters, right?

devs: ...

gamers: right...?

devs: ...

and yet gamers just want the devs to keep pushing further and further only ever escalating the arms race (and it is an arms race).

and yet nothing anyone does will ever stop hacking and cheating in video games.

has anything ever stopped Cheat Happens? that company that sells trainers for games? no.

and there's forums and websites that do the same thing for games with all manner of anticheat software too. it's not just an arms race, it's a full blown INDUSTRY at this point because it only ever escalates.

and all the gamers who support anticheat just want it to KEEP escalating more and more and more...never caring about their own safety and security or that of other people.

[Sundowning.]

Originally posted by GT-R:

Good. I hope they rent Vanguard from Riot to stop cheaters.

It neves ceases to amaze me how people can actually be ok with third party software forcing its way to boot alongside with your OS.

More so, doing so in favor of preventing cheating in a coop PvE game..

In any case, after the 3 second amazement wears off, the next step is to forever block them.

Anti cheat is fine and necessary in online PvP. Kernel level anti cheat isn't. Praising bloatware forcing its boot alongside OS with kernel privileges, isn't. Even less so for a PvE game.

If you want to hand over control and your privacy, play on a current gen console. PC is all about freedom.

[csand]

Originally posted by treos100:

Originally posted by csand:

Sadly there is no other good way to stop the vast majority of cheaters other than thrse types of anti cheats.

news flash: not even kernel level anticheat stops cheating and hackers! there is no such thing as unhackable software!

how many times do games have to come out with this malware and be completely overrun with hackers and cheaters before you people wake up and smell the BS?

NOTHING will ever fully stop hackers and cheaters because it is a literally impossible task.

go outside and play with physical objects irl if you want that to have a chance of being possible.

plus, EAC has never done much to stop cheating in games even before evolving into kernel level malware. to the point where it's been known as "it's called easy anticheat because it's easily bypassed" for years, if not since it was first made.

i seriously doubt it being a root kit will change that.

also, please check blame truth's youtube channel if you want to see just how bad this kind of anticheat software is.

it's literally the meme.

gamers: this will stop hackers and cheaters, right?

devs: ...

gamers: right...?

devs: ...

and yet gamers just want the devs to keep pushing further and further only ever escalating the arms race (and it is an arms race).

and yet nothing anyone does will ever stop hacking and cheating in video games.

has anything ever stopped Cheat Happens? that company that sells trainers for games? no.

and there's forums and websites that do the same thing for games with all manner of anticheat software too. it's not just an arms race, it's a full blown INDUSTRY at this point because it only ever escalates.

and all the gamers who support anticheat just want it to KEEP escalating more and more and more...never caring about their own safety and security or that of other people.

You're right

and washing your hands only removes 90% of bacteria, so why bother washing them at all?

The goal isn't to stop every cheater and it never has been. It's to stop the vast majority who don't have the technical ability, hardware, or money to bypass the anti cheat. So if it stop the vast majority of low effort cheaters, which it does, then it's a win. It provides a vastly better experience for legit players. Combined with other protections, like reporting/banning, and (in the case of Fromsoft) a server side save file anti cheat which scans for certain anomalies (not many, tbh), the complete package could be rather effective. In fact in Elden Ring, it is. Except...

As stated before, the current weakness, is Linux/Proton, which may (hopefully) be fixed this time around

The position of "well, if someone tries hard enough they can cheat anyways" isn't a valid justification for doing nothing at all.

Someone else here mentioned that devs should just code their games better. So how does a dev code their game to detect kernel level cheats?

By running the game at the kernel level

And we're back to square one

[treos100]

Originally posted by Sundowning.:

Originally posted by GT-R:

Good. I hope they rent Vanguard from Riot to stop cheaters.

It neves ceases to amaze me how people can actually be ok with third party software forcing its way to boot alongside with your OS.

More so, doing so in favor of preventing cheating in a coop PvE game..

In any case, after the 3 second amazement wears off, the next step is to forever block them.

Anti cheat is fine and necessary in online PvP. Kernel level anti cheat isn't. Praising bloatware forcing its boot alongside OS with kernel privileges, isn't. Even less so for a PvE game.

If you want to hand over control and your privacy, play on a current gen console. PC is all about freedom.

agreed...on all points... someone who has some sense in their head. the common is always far too rare, sadly.

and people like to think this stuff stops hacking and cheating when that's never been the case. it's like denuvo, it delays but does not actually prevent anything. and people who support this stuff just want devs to keep escalating the arms race.

which only further increases your vulnerability when this stuff is on your pc because hackers view it as a challenge and it only ever serves to improve their skills and knowledge.

oh, and i bet From also throws up that "fair play" message when you try playing co-op in this game like they did in elden AND have the same hidden invasion timer elden had too thus invalidating any claim of "fair play" by literally designing the game with griefing being an intentional part of the games design right from the start.

so, not only do you have hackers and cheaters in the pc version, the game itself is designed to incentivize griefing by the devs themselves.

yes, that is 100% "FAIR PLAY"!

[De_faulty]

Originally posted by treos100:

Originally posted by Sundowning.:

It neves ceases to amaze me how people can actually be ok with third party software forcing its way to boot alongside with your OS.

More so, doing so in favor of preventing cheating in a coop PvE game..

In any case, after the 3 second amazement wears off, the next step is to forever block them.

Anti cheat is fine and necessary in online PvP. Kernel level anti cheat isn't. Praising bloatware forcing its boot alongside OS with kernel privileges, isn't. Even less so for a PvE game.

If you want to hand over control and your privacy, play on a current gen console. PC is all about freedom.

agreed...on all points... someone who has some sense in their head. the common is always far too rare, sadly.

and people like to think this stuff stops hacking and cheating when that's never been the case. it's like denuvo, it delays but does not actually prevent anything. and people who support this stuff just want devs to keep escalating the arms race.

which only further increases your vulnerability when this stuff is on your pc because hackers view it as a challenge and it only ever serves to improve their skills and knowledge.

oh, and i bet From also throws up that "fair play" message when you try playing co-op in this game like they did in elden AND have the same hidden invasion timer elden had too thus invalidating any claim of "fair play" by literally designing the game with griefing being an intentional part of the games design right from the start.

so, not only do you have hackers and cheaters in the pc version, the game itself is designed to incentivize griefing by the devs themselves.

yes, that is 100% "FAIR PLAY"!

It always gets me that people are willing to potentially compromise their PC just so they can play video games with the illusion of security that there won’t be any cheaters. Then some of these same people will cry that TikTok is a Chinese spyware and they won’t go anywhere near it.

Absolutely insane how much these people are willing to sacrifice for their entertainment and be complete hypocrites about it.

[Thornburst]

i dont know what this is but want to be part of this drama

[treos100]

Originally posted by De_faulty:

It always gets me that people are willing to potentially compromise their PC just so they can play video games with the illusion of security that there won’t be any cheaters. Then some of these same people will cry that TikTok is a Chinese spyware and they won’t go anywhere near it.

Absolutely insane how much these people are willing to sacrifice for their entertainment and be complete hypocrites about it.

except tiktok is beholden to the ccp by law in china. which is the whole point of the push for divestment here in the US. if they can't force them to cut ties with the ccp, tiktok should not be allowed in the US as it's a propaganda platform that works for (again, per chinese laws) the ccp.

and then you also have people doubling down on their communism by going from tiktok to that little red book app. like, we get it, you're a communist and a fan of chairman mao. just admit you're not actually an american already.

[Claymaxxing]

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[Lavender Cloud]

lmao cheaters seething at the fact the now they have to deal with a real anti cheat

[Tom Bombathrill]

Originally posted by Lavender Cloud:

lmao cheaters seething at the fact the now they have to deal with a real anti cheat:candyman:

We went 5 pages before getting this tried and true bozo take. Big W for the soulslike community as far as I'm concerned.

[Shoah Kahn]

Sniper Elite Resistance has Denuvo "kernal level anti-cheat", and it's been plagued by cheaters since day dot... For a game like ER: NR, I don't see the point, unless they are locking grindable content behind paywalls, and/or have leaderboards to maintain -- neither of which, I believe, apply to the game.

Originally posted by Lavender Cloud:

lmao cheaters seething at the fact the now they have to deal with a real anti cheat:candyman:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2169200/discussions/search/?q=cheater&gidforum=4426562258567593556&include_deleted=1

[The Count]

You guys know elden ring also used EAC, right?

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

Its possible that it only activates when you play online so it depends how its implemented

[Shoah Kahn]

Originally posted by The Count:

You guys know elden ring also used EAC, right?

Not if you use Seamless... Otherwise, many mods would be affected.

[cheep crybabby hatter]

Originally posted by SecondLeaseGamer:

Jesus... I love Fromsoftware and was hype AF for a multiplayer game, but the only thing worse than Denuvo is Kernel Level Anti-cheat. Whats with devs being so lazy and poor at programming that they require the kernel level access to prevent cheater and hackers? This is gonna be a hard pass for me.

Yeah... I do regret buying Elden Ring a little for this very reason. I should have researched EAC more before I bought. I do appreciate that this information is available on the store page. I just wish it was there when I bought Elden Ring.