It might not have been up to FS

[Truth Bringer]

I think yall forget if the people that own them or investors or sony says jump. They contractually have to jump.

The people that owned them for ages let fromsoft be from soft but Sony is more than likely buying them so these changes are expected tbh.

[Ironwu]

I think there is a lot of strength to your argument.

The report that H.M. told the lead designer to "...do it as you please..." is absolutely damning. In a corporate culture that prides itself on teamwork and working together, to cut someone loose like that is pretty much turning their back on them and the whole project.

When you get right down to it, who is this game even meant for? It certainly won't please the traditional Rouge-Like folks. And it certainly is not going to please the traditional Souls-Like folks. I personally just don't see anything to like about this Frankenstein of a design.

I am not surprised that H.M. walked away from involvement with this project.

[Modus]

Originally posted by Ironwu:

I think there is a lot of strength to your argument.

The report that H.M. told the lead designer to "...do it as you please..." is absolutely damning. In a corporate culture that prides itself on teamwork and working together, to cut someone loose like that is pretty much turning their back on them and the whole project.

When you get right down to it, who is this game even meant for? It certainly won't please the traditional Rouge-Like folks. And it certainly is not going to please the traditional Souls-Like folks. I personally just don't see anything to like about this Frankenstein of a design.

I am not surprised that H.M. walked away from involvement with this project.

H.M. is likely busy with the next major title and trusts the lead designer to manage a small spin-off at the same time that the rest of the company is working on the major title. Not sure how that is "absolutely damning". If there are other factors in play, e.g. cut budget down the line, timeline pressures, etc. then sure, but I don't think H.M. not being directly involved is enough to be that dramatic about it.

As for who this game is meant for... ER fans who want a faster-paced coop game with more replayability while still retaining the combat system and boss fights? There's certainly a lot of those people around, these are things people have been suggesting for ages... just separately. Nightreign is supposed to combine all of these requests together

[Ironwu]

Originally posted by Modus:

Originally posted by Ironwu:

I think there is a lot of strength to your argument.

The report that H.M. told the lead designer to "...do it as you please..." is absolutely damning. In a corporate culture that prides itself on teamwork and working together, to cut someone loose like that is pretty much turning their back on them and the whole project.

When you get right down to it, who is this game even meant for? It certainly won't please the traditional Rouge-Like folks. And it certainly is not going to please the traditional Souls-Like folks. I personally just don't see anything to like about this Frankenstein of a design.

I am not surprised that H.M. walked away from involvement with this project.

H.M. is likely busy with the next major title and trusts the lead designer to manage a small spin-off at the same time that the rest of the company is working on the major title. Not sure how that is "absolutely damning". If there are other factors in play, e.g. cut budget down the line, timeline pressures, etc. then sure, but I don't think H.M. not being directly involved is enough to be that dramatic about it.

As for who this game is meant for... ER fans who want a faster-paced coop game with more replayability while still retaining the combat system and boss fights? There's certainly a lot of those people around, these are things people have been suggesting for ages... just separately. Nightreign is supposed to combine all of these requests together

Well, you need to understand Japanese culture to understand why what H.M. said is so bad. You cannot interpret it based on what westerners understand.

As for who the game is for, I don't know anyone that was asking to play a Rogue-Like Souls game.

* Pretend one of the Souls game IS currently a Rogue-Like.
* Start a brand new game.
* Play until you die.
* When you die, you get to keep all your gear (best case).
* BUT, you have to do EVERYTHING all over again. No skips. Endlessly.

Not for me, that's for sure. To please the Rogue-Like fans, it cannot be a Souls game. To please the Souls fans, it cannot be a Rogue-Like game. That's just the way I think the chips are going to fall.

How long do you think anyone will last doing that? Remember the crying and complaining when folks had to redo just part of the game to start the DLC?

Well, we will see. But I think this is one of those 'sounded good at the time' ideas.

[JocularJosh]

Originally posted by Ironwu:

As for who the game is for, I don't know anyone that was asking to play a Rogue-Like Souls game.

And before souls games became a thing nobody was asking for a souls game.

They are experimenting. To me it sounds pretty exciting especially since replaying ER can be a chore sometimes considering how big the open world is.

I'm a souls fan, I'm a fan of rogue-likes and lites and I like playing stuff with friends. I never asked for this but I also never thought of this. Now that we're getting it I actually do want it so yeah.

[Ironwu]

Time will tell, for sure. I do hope all that get the game are happy with it, for sure. I just hope not to many folks end up with something they were not expecting.

Good Luck, All

[Truth Bringer]

Originally posted by JocularJosh:

Originally posted by Ironwu:

As for who the game is for, I don't know anyone that was asking to play a Rogue-Like Souls game.

And before souls games became a thing nobody was asking for a souls game.

They are experimenting. To me it sounds pretty exciting especially since replaying ER can be a chore sometimes considering how big the open world is.

I'm a souls fan, I'm a fan of rogue-likes and lites and I like playing stuff with friends. I never asked for this but I also never thought of this. Now that we're getting it I actually do want it so yeah.

last time team b made a game we got DS 2 lol.

[NisseDood]

Originally posted by Truth Bringer:

Originally posted by JocularJosh:

And before souls games became a thing nobody was asking for a souls game.

They are experimenting. To me it sounds pretty exciting especially since replaying ER can be a chore sometimes considering how big the open world is.

I'm a souls fan, I'm a fan of rogue-likes and lites and I like playing stuff with friends. I never asked for this but I also never thought of this. Now that we're getting it I actually do want it so yeah.

last time team b made a game we got DS 2 lol.

The best souls game.
Shame Miyazaki left us down with the disappointent called Ds3.

[Nxce]

Yes the investors pushed them to make another Elden Ring title even if it's a glorified mod.

[Insomniac]

Y'all will make up any and all reasons for why this is supposedly a bad thing but it's literally just an experimental side game they wanted to make and let HM take a back seat on. It will be just fine, I'm a souls fan and I'm still going to play this.

[Akira]

Originally posted by NisseDood:

Originally posted by Truth Bringer:

last time team b made a game we got DS 2 lol.

The best souls game.
Shame Miyazaki left us down with the disappointent called Ds3.

DS3 is a Best! Dark Souls game ever made! DS3, Bloodborne, Demon's Soul, DS1. It's all. Other games is trash. Sekiro, ds2 and Elden Ring is the worst games. ER is worst than ds2 btw. I hate ER.

[Truth Bringer]

Originally posted by Hikikomori:

Originally posted by NisseDood:

The best souls game.
Shame Miyazaki left us down with the disappointent called Ds3.

DS3 is a Best! Dark Souls game ever made! DS3, Bloodborne, Demon's Soul, DS1. It's all. Other games is trash. Sekiro, ds2 and Elden Ring is the worst games. ER is worst than ds2 btw. I hate ER.

We understand you are trolling because you keep going to different post saying you dont like ER thats fine that you dont but can you put more effort into your trolling?

[Akira]

Originally posted by Truth Bringer:

Originally posted by Hikikomori:

DS3 is a Best! Dark Souls game ever made! DS3, Bloodborne, Demon's Soul, DS1. It's all. Other games is trash. Sekiro, ds2 and Elden Ring is the worst games. ER is worst than ds2 btw. I hate ER.

We understand you are trolling because you keep going to different post saying you dont like ER thats fine that you dont but can you put more effort into your trolling?

Who are we? It's your brain that can't comprehend that so many people don't like the Elden ring. So speak for yourself. Elden ring is garbage for modern audiences and casuals. Do you really think that if someone doesn't like something you like, that person is trolling?

[Ironwu]

Originally posted by Insomniac:

Y'all will make up any and all reasons for why this is supposedly a bad thing but it's literally just an experimental side game they wanted to make and let HM take a back seat on. It will be just fine, I'm a souls fan and I'm still going to play this.

This size company does not invest in superfluous "...experimental side game..." products. And they don't just 'let' developers like H.M. take a 'back seat' unless they take a serious stand against working on a project.

I hope you find what you are looking for in this game. But I think as a Souls Fan, you will be seriously unhappy with the format. Even more so if you are not a serious fan of Rouge-Like designs.

Good Luck

[Ironwu]

Originally posted by Hikikomori:

Originally posted by Truth Bringer:

We understand you are trolling because you keep going to different post saying you dont like ER thats fine that you dont but can you put more effort into your trolling?

Who are we? It's your brain that can't comprehend that so many people don't like the Elden ring. So speak for yourself. Elden ring is garbage for modern audiences and casuals. Do you really think that if someone doesn't like something you like, that person is trolling?

"...so many people don't like the Elden ring..." ? ! ?

What reality are YOU living in. Certainly not this one.

Elden Ring is the single most popular Souls game ever produced. A lot of noise is made about other ones; but Elden Ring is the one that is most purchased, most played, by the most people.

[JocularJosh]

Originally posted by Ironwu:

But I think as a Souls Fan, you will be seriously unhappy with the format.

You make it sound as if souls fans only ever play and enjoy souls games.
I wouldn't even call Nightreign a souls game at all at this point.
It's merely a spinoff game that focuses more on experimenting with the typical souls formular.