****SPOILERS**** So that ending... ****HUGE SPOILERS****

[Watkins Sleuth]

So I just finished the game. Fantastic game by the way well worth the full 19,99€ I paid for it by the way. So anyway I just finished the game and all I can say is ♥♥♥♥ THAT SPIRIT TREE!!!!

For those that don't know Ori (The main character) goes missing due to a storm and gets adopted by Naru (The big black snorlax character).

So the tree somewhat distraught after losing one of it's hundreds of children (Seriously watch that ending there are dozens of those life leafs things falling) sends out the bat signal and attempts to bring Ori home. Naru noticing this grabs Ori and hides in the cave. And with good reason might I add since the bat signal ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ MURDERS A NEST FULL OF OWL CHICKS and rightfully pisses off Momma Owl. (Kuro).

So Momma Owl decides to get rid of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ evil ass tree before it can kill her remaining egg and rushes the thing after it is tired after all of its owl murdering! It successfully kills the tree by pulling the Glowing orb thing (called Sein) out and kills Ori's people to prevent them from reviving the evil murder tree.

Sadly this causes the forest to start dying as the murder tree was responsible for keeping the three main elements (Water, Wind and Fire) from ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and as a result the forest starts to die off, which kills poor Naru due to starvation (As we all know Snorlaxes need a lot of food).

So now it is up to Ori to save the day by visiting the three temples (Which you only get to visit the one time so good luck getting 100% in your first run) and restoring balance and saving the forest. You make friends, the owl tries to kill you a lot (because you have the glowing orb from the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ murder tree with you) and I don't want to spoil everything but I do want to talk about one final thing.

Once you fix the fire shrine the whole forest starts burning down due to the volcano you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around with venting all the lava all over the place. The owl beats the crap out of you, you get saved again, and the owl notices that the huge forest fire that YOU CAUSED is about to cook her remaining egg.

So naturally to save her remaining child the Momma Owl grabs the glowing orb sticks it back and the tree to stop the fire, it does so and ALSO KILLS the Momma Owl!

That is right. Not content with just murdering the poor creatures’ chicks it decides to murder the poor mother the second it gets the chance to, fully justifying its reasons for killing the tree in the first place. The bird could have killed Ori, but didn't. It could have grabbed her egg and flew away to let everyone else burn for their stupity, but didn't. No it chose to do the right thing and save the day and was MURDERED for it.

Seriously ♥♥♥♥ that evil tree!

And if anyone wants to try and defend the evil ass tree answer these questions for me please.

1. Why does the tree even care about Ori in the first place? Yes you could say it was because of Love but please note it has dozens of children. Why was Ori special?

2. Why didn't the tree just send out it other children to go find Ori? You know instead of the face melting bat signal of doom! We can clearly see from the number of skills we get from their dead bodies that they could get around and their were enough of them.

3. Why the hell does it keep murdering owls! Seriously what is with the Owl hate tree?

4. Why does it try and pin the blame on Ori. When we meet the tree in person it speaks of Ori and her Misguided will. As if Ori was to blame for everything that happened. How about taking responsibility for your own murderous actions Tree? Ori didn't chose to get taken away. Ori could have died for all you know and still you decided to go with the Light ceremony and murder innocent animals just to try and find Ori? Seriously what the ♥♥♥♥!?

5. Why the ♥♥♥♥ do you have a glowing mist that kills things Tree?

Also ♥♥♥♥ move showing the symbol of poor Kuro being happy with everyone else at the end game. That tree murdered the poor creature and now is trying to whitewash the whole thing. History really is written by the winners.

[RogueSpyke]

1.) The Spirit Tree cared about Ori because Ori ended up farther away from the Spirit Tree than the others, and since the Spirit Tree is essentially the god of the forest, he has every right to be worried about one of his children.

2.) It's made very clear that the other Spirit Tree children weren't strong enough to last on their own, they probably wouldn't have been able to find Ori anyways and even if they knew where Ori was, by that time Kuro would have started her rampage.

3.) It didn't do it on purpose, it's stated that Kuro hates the light the Spirit Tree gives off and based on segments later in the game, it appears Kuro is made up of darkness, which means the light from the Spirit Tree would be fatal to her and her children. The Spirit Tree didn't know about the owls and if you were paying attention later on, the Tree is just about as surprised to discover the nest as much as Ori and Sein were.

4.) The Tree never blames Ori, the phrase "her misguided will" was referring to Kuro, not Ori. Ori is a male, Kuro is a female.

5.) As stated above, the owls are made up of darkness, the tree didn't intend to kill them and most likely wasn't aware that they would even be affected nor did he know they were even there in the first place.

Kuro sacrificed herself because she realized the burning forest would kill her last egg, and understood that she had gone too far after seeing Naru holding Ori reminded her of her own children. It's also implied that because the last egg survived the light of the Spirit Tree that when it hatches, the baby owl will also be immune to the light.

PAY ATTENTION

[Watkins Sleuth]

Originally posted by Spyke:

1.) The Spirit Tree cared about Ori because Ori ended up farther away from the Spirit Tree than the others, and since the Spirit Tree is essentially the god of the forest, he has every right to be worried about one of his children.

2.) It's made very clear that the other Spirit Tree children weren't strong enough to last on their own, they probably wouldn't have been able to find Ori anyways and even if they knew where Ori was, by that time Kuro would have started her rampage.

3.) It didn't do it on purpose, it's stated that Kuro hates the light the Spirit Tree gives off and based on segments later in the game, it appears Kuro is made up of darkness, which means the light from the Spirit Tree would be fatal to her and her children. The Spirit Tree didn't know about the owls and if you were paying attention later on, the Tree is just about as surprised to discover the nest as much as Ori and Sein were.

4.) The Tree never blames Ori, the phrase "her misguided will" was referring to Kuro, not Ori. Ori is a male, Kuro is a female.

5.) As stated above, the owls are made up of darkness, the tree didn't intend to kill them and most likely wasn't aware that they would even be affected nor did he know they were even there in the first place.

Kuro sacrificed herself because she realized the burning forest would kill her last egg, and understood that she had gone too far after seeing Naru holding Ori reminded her of her own children. It's also implied that because the last egg survived the light of the Spirit Tree that when it hatches, the baby owl will also be immune to the light.

PAY ATTENTION

1. Fair point but I knew that was a weak argument in the first place.

2. "by that time Kuro would have started her rampage." You mean the rampage spur on by the death of her children by the Tree? Before then Kuro was happy just feeding her children and had nothing to do with the Tree, Ori or Ori's people. That tree started all of this.

3. So not murder, unintentonal Manslaughter instead.

4. You got me there. I was wrong about who the tree was refering to. But still the tree calling Kuro's actions as Misguided in responce to the tree killing her kids is a bit cruel don't you think?

5. Still killed the poor birds and started this whole thing off. And condisering the reaction of poor Naru had to seeing the tree light up like that I have a feeling that she too would have been murdered by the tree if she had been touched by it too. Although I cannot say for sure.

[TripleZer0]

I think you should get a sarcasm detector, because i dont think the OP was entirely serious with what he said :-)

I loved his explanation, very funny :-P

[Waffle]

Originally posted by Spyke:

4.) The Tree never blames Ori, the phrase "her misguided will" was referring to Kuro, not Ori. Ori is a male, Kuro is a female.

Was Ori ever explicitly referred to as a male within the game? I've seen a few people under the impression that Ori's a she, and I've always assumed it as something left up to interpretation.

[RogueSpyke]

Originally posted by Watkins Sleuth:

Originally posted by Spyke:

1.) The Spirit Tree cared about Ori because Ori ended up farther away from the Spirit Tree than the others, and since the Spirit Tree is essentially the god of the forest, he has every right to be worried about one of his children.

2.) It's made very clear that the other Spirit Tree children weren't strong enough to last on their own, they probably wouldn't have been able to find Ori anyways and even if they knew where Ori was, by that time Kuro would have started her rampage.

3.) It didn't do it on purpose, it's stated that Kuro hates the light the Spirit Tree gives off and based on segments later in the game, it appears Kuro is made up of darkness, which means the light from the Spirit Tree would be fatal to her and her children. The Spirit Tree didn't know about the owls and if you were paying attention later on, the Tree is just about as surprised to discover the nest as much as Ori and Sein were.

4.) The Tree never blames Ori, the phrase "her misguided will" was referring to Kuro, not Ori. Ori is a male, Kuro is a female.

5.) As stated above, the owls are made up of darkness, the tree didn't intend to kill them and most likely wasn't aware that they would even be affected nor did he know they were even there in the first place.

Kuro sacrificed herself because she realized the burning forest would kill her last egg, and understood that she had gone too far after seeing Naru holding Ori reminded her of her own children. It's also implied that because the last egg survived the light of the Spirit Tree that when it hatches, the baby owl will also be immune to the light.

PAY ATTENTION

1. Fair point but I knew that was a weak argument in the first place.

2. "by that time Kuro would have started her rampage." You mean the rampage spur on by the death of her children by the Tree? Before then Kuro was happy just feeding her children and had nothing to do with the Tree, Ori or Ori's people. That tree started all of this.

3. So not murder, unintentonal Manslaughter instead.

4. You got me there. I was wrong about who the tree was refering to. But still the tree calling Kuro's actions as Misguided in responce to the tree killing her kids is a bit cruel don't you think?

5. Still killed the poor birds and started this whole thing off. And condisering the reaction of poor Naru had to seeing the tree light up like that I have a feeling that she too would have been murdered by the tree if she had been touched by it too. Although I cannot say for sure.

2.) I meant that by that time the other children would have been killed by Kuro or the results of Kuro's actions.

3.) Like I said, the Spirit Tree probably didn't even know they were there.

4.) At that point in the game, the Spirit Tree didn't know about the baby owls.

5.) Given that the blast of light from the Spirit Tree didn't kill Naru right then and there, my guess is that it wouldn't have affected her. It's more likely that the blast of light frightened her and wanted to protect Ori since she didn't know what it was.

[RogueSpyke]

Originally posted by Some Other Guy:

Originally posted by Spyke:

4.) The Tree never blames Ori, the phrase "her misguided will" was referring to Kuro, not Ori. Ori is a male, Kuro is a female.

Was Ori ever explicitly referred to as a male within the game? I've seen a few people under the impression that Ori's a she, and I've always assumed it as something left up to interpretation.

The official website for the game refers to Ori as a male.

[Waffle]

Duly noted, thanks.

[Zherluck]

Was Ori ever explicitly referred to as a male within the game? I've seen a few people under the impression that Ori's a she, and I've always assumed it as something left up to interpretation. [/quote]

Does it say that Ori is a she or a he. Or does it just feel like its a she for some and a he for others. in that way it may be a she and a he. or non of them.

[Watkins Sleuth]

Originally posted by Spyke:

2.) I meant that by that time the other children would have been killed by Kuro or the results of Kuro's actions.

3.) Like I said, the Spirit Tree probably didn't even know they were there.

4.) At that point in the game, the Spirit Tree didn't know about the baby owls.

5.) Given that the blast of light from the Spirit Tree didn't kill Naru right then and there, my guess is that it wouldn't have affected her. It's more likely that the blast of light frightened her and wanted to protect Ori since she didn't know what it was.

2. There is no proof of any antagonisation between Kuro's people and Ori's people before the tree killed three kids. If you have proof of the contrery please show me. Please note that the actions of the smaller owls does not count because A: they are not the same species and have no proof that they are connected to Kuro except by looks, and B: we don't see them before the Light ceremony anyway.

3. Try selling that argument to the courts and see how far that will get you.

Also bonus point:
3,5. if the tree didn't know about it, that would mean it would have had no problem using the Light ceremony a second time and killing more innocent beings.

4. Again another solid point backed up with proof. Hats off to you.

[RogueSpyke]

Originally posted by Watkins Sleuth:

Originally posted by Spyke:

2.) I meant that by that time the other children would have been killed by Kuro or the results of Kuro's actions.

3.) Like I said, the Spirit Tree probably didn't even know they were there.

4.) At that point in the game, the Spirit Tree didn't know about the baby owls.

5.) Given that the blast of light from the Spirit Tree didn't kill Naru right then and there, my guess is that it wouldn't have affected her. It's more likely that the blast of light frightened her and wanted to protect Ori since she didn't know what it was.

2. There is no proof of any antagonisation between Kuro's people and Ori's people before the tree killed three kids. If you have proof of the contrery please show me. Please note that the actions of the smaller owls does not count because A: they are not the same species and have no proof that they are connected to Kuro except by looks, and B: we don't see them before the Light ceremony anyway.

3. Try selling that argument to the courts and see how far that will get you.

Also bonus point:
3,5. if the tree didn't know about it, that would mean it would have had no problem using the Light ceremony a second time and killing more innocent beings.

4. Again another solid point backed up with proof. Hats off to you.

2.) Well I meant that the Spirit Tree obviously would have still sent the light out to get Ori's attention even if he did send out the other guardian spirits to find Ori, so Kuro still would have been angered by the death of her babies and would have still attacked. You got me there though, there's no proof that Kuro would have attacked if the Spirit Tree hadn't sent out the blast of light.

3.) This isn't a court of law, this is a video game. I'm not saying the Spirit Tree should have gotten away scot-free, I'm saying he just didn't know about the babies.

3.5.) It's never fully explained why the owls were affected by the light aside from hints that they were made up of darkness. Based on the fact that the Gumon survived the blast of light, I'm guessing that it only affected certain creatures.

4.) The Tree constantly called Kuro misguided up until Ori and Sein discovered Kuro's nest. At that point, the Tree realizes that Kuro was only protecting the unhatched egg. I don't remember the exact text though.

[RogueSpyke]

I'd just like to say thank you for starting this thread because I don't often get to debate with others about games I love :3

[Watkins Sleuth]

Originally posted by Spyke:

2.) Well I meant that the Spirit Tree obviously would have still sent the light out to get Ori's attention even if he did send out the other guardian spirits to find Ori, so Kuro still would have been angered by the death of her babies and would have still attacked. You got me there though, there's no proof that Kuro would have attacked if the Spirit Tree hadn't sent out the blast of light.

3.) This isn't a court of law, this is a video game. I'm not saying the Spirit Tree should have gotten away scot-free, I'm saying he just didn't know about the babies.

3.5.) It's never fully explained why the owls were affected by the light aside from hints that they were made up of darkness. Based on the fact that the Gumon survived the blast of light, I'm guessing that it only affected certain creatures.

4.) The Tree constantly called Kuro misguided up until Ori and Sein discovered Kuro's nest. At that point, the Tree realizes that Kuro was only protecting the unhatched egg. I don't remember the exact text though.

Alright but my main point was that the Tree was the main cause of troubles in Ori and the blind forest and is the primary antagonist. The tree causes the deaths of Kuro's kids and probably would kill Kuro's remaining unborn child if she had not killed the tree in return.

The forest starts dying and people die off too because the tree is dead with is Kuro's fault but giving the options she had I don't blame her. Birds are not known for being able to simply pick up their eggs and move after all, so her ownly options were to kill the tree or watch her remaining child die too.

What cements it even more in my mind is the fact that Kuro redeems her character by saving everyone by putting Sein back into the tree and as a result gets killed for her actions. Even though you could also argue that she was just saving her child.

And as for the tree? Does it ever show remorse for the things it has done and the deaths it caused? I am honestly looking here.

[RogueSpyke]

Damn. I've got nothing :V

[Watkins Sleuth]

Originally posted by Spyke:

I'd just like to say thank you for starting this thread because I don't often get to debate with others about games I love :3

It was a pleasure debating with you.

[Waffle]

Actually, I just discovered that I was on the mark with Ori's gender. This is from the Reddit AMA.

"However, we didn't intend Ori to be a boy or a girl specifically, you won't see their gender mentioned anywhere in the game. It's open for everyone's personal interpretation!"