Breeder perk

[Oedipus's Stepdad]

Does it affect all horses, including noble steeds like the wadar hotbloo that's worth 20k? If so, do they have to be in my inventory, or can I be riding them? As in, if I want them to breed quickly should I only switch to my best steeds before battle, or does it not matter?

[Dutchgamer1982]

as far as I experience...

-it only affects horses in your inventory, not those you ride.
-it affects all horses (and also camels and donkeys) in your inventory.
-having 1 stack of the same type seems to give a bit more stable outcome than having multiple stacks..

**with 5 stacks of 20 horses each (5 types).. I some days get no horse bred and some days 2 or 3...
**with 1 stack of 100 horses (1 type) I pretty much get 1 horse each day.. but rarely 2.. and 3 almost never...
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so likely the chance is not a flat 1% per horse.. but 1% x number of horses in stack..

[Oedipus's Stepdad]

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

as far as I experience...

-it only affects horses in your inventory, not those you ride.
-it affects all horses (and also camels and donkeys) in your inventory.
-having 1 stack of the same type seems to give a bit more stable outcome than having multiple stacks..

**with 5 stacks of 20 horses each (5 types).. I some days get no horse bred and some days 2 or 3...
**with 1 stack of 100 horses (1 type) I pretty much get 1 horse each day.. but rarely 2.. and 3 almost never...
->
so likely the chance is not a flat 1% per horse.. but 1% x number of horses in stack..

Damn, I was expecting more like 10 horses. 100 tournaments with save-scumming is going to take a whole week.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by Oedipus's Stepdad:

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

as far as I experience...

-it only affects horses in your inventory, not those you ride.
-it affects all horses (and also camels and donkeys) in your inventory.
-having 1 stack of the same type seems to give a bit more stable outcome than having multiple stacks..

**with 5 stacks of 20 horses each (5 types).. I some days get no horse bred and some days 2 or 3...
**with 1 stack of 100 horses (1 type) I pretty much get 1 horse each day.. but rarely 2.. and 3 almost never...
->
so likely the chance is not a flat 1% per horse.. but 1% x number of horses in stack..

Damn, I was expecting more like 10 horses. 100 tournaments with save-scumming is going to take a whole week.

you not neccecairy have to win 100 tournaments..
the breeder perk 1% per day..

so if you win 10 wodans with save scumming.. every 10 ingame days orso on average you get 1 more... and as their numbers increase that slowly will speed up..
with 100 wodans thats 1 per day..
-> I must say personally I never got more than 3 wodans... I keep getting offererd all the other noble steeds like asgarat and batanian touroughbreds.. but not wodans...

it takes about 70 days to have your current amount of wodan horses doubled..

so 10->20 = 70 days
20->40-> 70 days
40->80->70 days
80->160->70 days
160->320->70 days
320->640->70 days...

so basicly just by walking around you can grow just a few to a full stack of full max army sieze in 2 ingame years.. and after that is pure profit..

sure. starting out with a few more will cut many days off this.. but since this doubling effect.. having 2 instead of 1 horse = 70 less days waiting for wodan income but that 25->50 likely already going to take you waay way to long.. I'd say win about 5-10 and than just have them naturally breed to more..
save yourself the headache.. you can acompagny them with something that you can actually buy in towns like palmatians.. sure those only earn you 4-5k each but thats still more than enough to cover army expense the first 2 years until you got enough wotans/.

so if we presme your current army size is say 120-ish..

and you have won yourself 5 wotans.. and bought 115 palmyrans..
thats will mean you get every ingame day 1 or 2 palmyrians to sell for 5 or 10k income... and any wotan you get you keep.. slowly replacing the palmyrans for wotans... thats how you over time use breeder to increase the income...

with the maximal possible army size of 700 ish.. thats 140k denarii per day income from your 700 wotans making each day 7 new wotans...

but if you give nothing about your party speed..you can scale this up to as insane a number as you want:) every 70 days your stack of wotan doubles;)

[Oedipus's Stepdad]

Originally posted by Dutchgamer1982:

Originally posted by Oedipus's Stepdad:

Damn, I was expecting more like 10 horses. 100 tournaments with save-scumming is going to take a whole week.

you not neccecairy have to win 100 tournaments..
the breeder perk 1% per day..

so if you win 10 wodans with save scumming.. every 10 ingame days orso on average you get 1 more... and as their numbers increase that slowly will speed up..
with 100 wodans thats 1 per day..
-> I must say personally I never got more than 3 wodans... I keep getting offererd all the other noble steeds like asgarat and batanian touroughbreds.. but not wodans...

it takes about 70 days to have your current amount of wodan horses doubled..

so 10->20 = 70 days
20->40-> 70 days
40->80->70 days
80->160->70 days
160->320->70 days
320->640->70 days...

so basicly just by walking around you can grow just a few to a full stack of full max army sieze in 2 ingame years.. and after that is pure profit..

sure. starting out with a few more will cut many days off this.. but since this doubling effect.. having 2 instead of 1 horse = 70 less days waiting for wodan income but that 25->50 likely already going to take you waay way to long.. I'd say win about 5-10 and than just have them naturally breed to more..
save yourself the headache.. you can acompagny them with something that you can actually buy in towns like palmatians.. sure those only earn you 4-5k each but thats still more than enough to cover army expense the first 2 years until you got enough wotans/.

so if we presme your current army size is say 120-ish..

and you have won yourself 5 wotans.. and bought 115 palmyrans..
thats will mean you get every ingame day 1 or 2 palmyrians to sell for 5 or 10k income... and any wotan you get you keep.. slowly replacing the palmyrans for wotans... thats how you over time use breeder to increase the income...

with the maximal possible army size of 700 ish.. thats 140k denarii per day income from your 700 wotans making each day 7 new wotans...

but if you give nothing about your party speed..you can scale this up to as insane a number as you want:) every 70 days your stack of wotan doubles;)

Yeah I figured the perk is mostly going to benefit lower tier horses to the point where I probably never have to buy war horses for upgrades for the first few hundred days

[Ruffio]

The code for the perk says 1% chance daily.... it's not a flat 1% daily given. How many dice rolls do you need to get that 1% out of 100 to trigger daily? Tbh, it seems like the worst get rich scenario ever.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

The code for the perk says 1% chance daily.... it's not a flat 1% daily given. How many dice rolls do you need to get that 1% out of 100 to trigger daily? Tbh, it seems like the worst get rich scenario ever.

all investing entails risk.... but you can calculate the risk...

the more often you toss a dice.. the more probable the outcome becomes.

the average of a usual 6 sided diceroll is 3.5
and the more often you trow.. the closer the average outcome narrows 3.5

from my experience... it seems the chance is 1% per horse in a stack..
so a stack of 10 horses does not give 10x1% chance on an aditional horse (which would give an 0,000000000000000001% chance to get a day 10 horses.. and a 90.4% chance to get non at all... but rather it gives 90% chance..
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and a stack of exact 100 horses.. has never given me 2 horses in a day.. (if the chance was 1% x 100 to get a horse... I would have only 0.4% chance to get exactly 1 horse and on 63.2% of days get 2 or more)
and it never has given me 0 horses in a day (but if the chance per horse.. 36.4% of days I would not get any horse..

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with that in mind a stack of 5 wotans gives a 5% chance per day to give you 1 wotan and 95% chance to give no new wotan...
once you got that 6th... it becomes 6% chance per day to get 1 wotan.. and 94% chance to get no new wodan
if you have 120 witans.. you have 20% chance per day to get 2 wotans.. and 80% chance to get 1
if you have 750 wotans.. you have 50% chance per day to get 8 witans.. and 50% chance to get 8...

that DOES averages out in the long term..
but yeah if you start with that stack of 5 :
the chance to still only have 5 wotan after 70 days is 2.75%
but the chance to have MORE than 10 wotan after 70 days is also 2.75 (if you add the chances for 11 to 75 wotans up)
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all the chances / number add up to a probable outcome of 10 horses after 70 days starting at 5..

and the larger your stack gets... the more proable your chance to do get a horse...

[AfLIcTeD]

From what I remember as well the amount of horses you breed is based on how many total horses you have, not just the ones being bred. The more horses you have the more horses you will get from the perk. Although this could have changed like. I've not really paid much attention to it.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

From what I remember as well the amount of horses you breed is based on how many total horses you have, not just the ones being bred. The more horses you have the more horses you will get from the perk. Although this could have changed like. I've not really paid much attention to it.

this is true...
but the perk reads 1% chance per day, per horse owed, to get another one.

-> but what is owned? from personal experimentation..
**owned means "in inventory" so horses your characters ride on are NOT getting bred.

and than there is HOW is that chance applied..

think of it this way...
if I give you a dice and say for each 6 you roll you get a dime...
and than give you 100 dices and ask you to roll them all at once than count your number of 6.. thats how many dimes you get..

now if you make that dice not 6 faced but 100 faced numbered 00-99.. and say if you roll 00 you get a dime... well thats equal to 1% chance..

now say you have 10 horses...
if I hand you 10 dices... and say each 00 gives you a horse...
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than the outcome would be much more variable than if I say... if you roll 00-09 you get 1 horse if 10-99 not.

from personal experience... a stack of 50 horses.. gives 50% chance to get 1 horse.. 50% chance to get 0.
NOT 50 x 1% chance to get 1 horse

but if you have multiple TYPES of horses in your inventory.. say 5 stacks of each 10..
than you have 10% chance for each of these 5 types to get each day a horse..

so having just 1 type of horse in a large stack.. is the best way to have a more stable income with breeder... and palmyrians (who you can sell for around 5000 coin).. and cities actually sell...

-if you win a few expensive wadar hotbloods by all means keep them in a stack in your inventory too.. but it will take a while for their numbers to grow to a point you may consider starting selling them...

[Oedipus's Stepdad]

So I bought a bunch of cheaper war horses, about 100 in total, over a few weeks while collecting 2 types of the most expensive noble steeds via tournaments, and just now I got 6 royal destriers! So it's NOT the same type of horse that reproduces, but rather random (I'm assuming leaning towards the expensive side, as royal destriers are only second to wadar hotbloods), based on the TOTAL number of mounts you have in your inventory. In short, get yourself 10 noble steeds and a ♥♥♥♥ ton of sumpter horses and you can make an insane amount of money.

Also, I'm only at clan tier 4 with an army that's no more than 180. This is very achievable.

EDIT: I think this is actually a bug and not intended, I haven't gotten any horses since.

[kristianjakob]

Well, I am farily certain that what is propossed is not how the perk works.

But, let us know how your get rich scheme ends up working.