Cossians vs royal destriers vs hotbloods. Things you might not know.

[danielgbowden]

I found a video where Strat Gaming Guides talked about testing on charge damage for a few minutes. He didn't compare royal destriers to cossians, but it gives me the impression that I might expect to do more charge damage with a cossian rather than a royal destrier.

Myth:
Horse weight matters. Horse weight apparently doesn't matter when it comes to charging. It might be just an unused value, just for looks, or relevant for something outside of battle.

Truth:
Saddle weight DOES have some effect on horse jumping and maintaining momentum. It doesn't appear to affect speed very much. Hero did some tests on this by adding in a saddle with an absurd weight of 10,000. When using the saddle, he could easily accelerate when surrounded by foot troops and could even push other cavalry around. However, damage is not directly affected. I assume that the added weight indirectly results in more damage when charging into groups of units, since there is less deceleration with more weight. The problem with the video is that 10,000 is way heavier than any saddle in the game, so the effects are going to be exaggerated. But it appears that the effect on speed is acceptable and likely worth using the heaviest horse armor for the added tankiness and momentum. Hero's video- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK_wz2e2aKc

Strat Gaming Guides's video seemed to be saying that weight does not directly result in more damage. https://youtu.be/tAprhu0mjyY?feature=shared&t=695

I am still not clear on how much speed affects charge damage. If the effect of speed is significant, then the cossian or maybe even the hotblood could potentially do more charge damage than the royal destrier. I am not sure of this. I asked ChatGPT to analyze some of this information(take it with a grain of salt). https://chatgpt.com/share/67bc04f9-7e88-8002-9bfa-cc65732e60ff

My theoretical thoughts based on my tentative understanding and preferences.


My new favorite is the cossian. My previous favorite is the hotblood. The hotblood is the fastest horse and the second most maneuverable after the asaligat. The asaligat might be better and it is very similar to the cossian, depending on how much effect charge damage actualy has.

FOR SPEED: The hotblood is awesome. But I can catch other calvary pretty easily with a cossian. The hotblood can ride right through most units and loose lines pretty well. Speed can cause more damage to be done to you when you are speeding into an enemy lance or so on.

CHARGING:
That is part of the point of this thread. I am not sure whether the royal destrier has the best charge, but the royal destrier is great for sure. the royal destrier.

FLEXIBILITY:
Asaligats and cossians are very similar and both are good at charging and speed.

UNIQUENESS:
Husnphrees are the best camels and have some pros and cons compared to the other mounts mentioned here. Camels have a significant effect on your height when riding them. I find it makes it easier to target other cavalry much of the time but more difficult to hit footmen. I recommend a camel armor mod if you want to use camels, but experiment with Husnphrees or war camels before you decide for or against it. Camels can be very powerful when facing other cavalry or when wielding long polearms and it gives you a higher vantage point for mounted archery for better or worse.

[Hark]

Hotblood

[Teralitha]

What i want to know is this - when you upgrade a troop to a nobal mount, does that troop actually get that horse from your inventory? Or do they just get some stock horse decided by the game while removing your horses.

I just put cavalry troops into a garrison so i dont have to buy horses when they upgrade. Since the game gives them a horse when in a garrison, I assume they just get some stock horse assign to their troop type even when you are upgrading them in your party.

NOTE: Those videos reveal just how extremely deep the combat mechanics are in this game. Something all the haters dont realize who commonly accuse bannerlord for being a shallow game.

[Action Man]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

What i want to know is this - when you upgrade a troop to a nobal mount, does that troop actually get that horse from your inventory? Or do they just get some stock horse decided by the game while removing your horses.

I'm pretty sure that soldiers have a default horse, so it doesn't matter what kind of War Horse you use.

I base this on checking horses to mount during a battle. The same soldier type always has the same horse.

[flyingscot1066]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

What i want to know is this - when you upgrade a troop to a nobal mount, does that troop actually get that horse from your inventory? Or do they just get some stock horse decided by the game while removing your horses.

Unless I am misremembering, you can't use Noble Mounts for troop upgrades.

[TruXurT]

Originally posted by flyingscot1066:

Originally posted by Teralitha:

What i want to know is this - when you upgrade a troop to a nobal mount, does that troop actually get that horse from your inventory? Or do they just get some stock horse decided by the game while removing your horses.

Unless I am misremembering, you can't use Noble Mounts for troop upgrades.

Yes, You remember correctly.

But in case of war horse used in the upgrade, the upgrade "consumes"a war horse in your party inventory. However the upgraded soldier ends up using a war horse appropriate to the culture of the troop. So the game magically replaces whatever horse you had.

Also, max level elite troops do use noble horses, but those are magically upgraded from warhorses during level-up (I guess part of the upgrade cost is to replace a warhorse to a noble horse, but you don't need the noble horses in your inventory to facilitate this).

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by TruXurT:

Originally posted by flyingscot1066:

Unless I am misremembering, you can't use Noble Mounts for troop upgrades.

Yes, You remember correctly.

But in case of war horse used in the upgrade, the upgrade "consumes"a war horse in your party inventory. However the upgraded soldier ends up using a war horse appropriate to the culture of the troop. So the game magically replaces whatever horse you had.

Also, max level elite troops do use noble horses, but those are magically upgraded from warhorses during level-up (I guess part of the upgrade cost is to replace a warhorse to a noble horse, but you don't need the noble horses in your inventory to facilitate this).

I meant war mounts. And yeah that is what I figured, but wasnt sure.

[flyingscot1066]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Originally posted by TruXurT:

Yes, You remember correctly.

But in case of war horse used in the upgrade, the upgrade "consumes"a war horse in your party inventory. However the upgraded soldier ends up using a war horse appropriate to the culture of the troop. So the game magically replaces whatever horse you had.

Also, max level elite troops do use noble horses, but those are magically upgraded from warhorses during level-up (I guess part of the upgrade cost is to replace a warhorse to a noble horse, but you don't need the noble horses in your inventory to facilitate this).

I meant war mounts. And yeah that is what I figured, but wasnt sure.

Ah, yeah makes sense. That's why I load up on the cheapest war mounts I can get, which tend to be the ones out of either Askar or Car Banseth areas, since it doesn't matter what kind you use.

[Teralitha]

I let my garrisons get the horses. Doesnt cost me anything far as I can tell.

[flyingscot1066]

With 150 Roguery/Leadership, you can have all the Banner Knights you want without ever buying a War Mount.

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by flyingscot1066:

With 150 Roguery/Leadership, you can have all the Banner Knights you want without ever buying a War Mount.

Why would I ever want those. Sturgia brigand cav are the best.

[flyingscot1066]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Originally posted by flyingscot1066:

With 150 Roguery/Leadership, you can have all the Banner Knights you want without ever buying a War Mount.

Why would I ever want those. Sturgia brigand cav are the best.

By which metric? I'm assuming you're being serious, so if you're being facetious then nevermind.

They are quite literally the hands down worst melee cavalry in the game. Worse even than the Battanians, even if only a bit.

And did you mean the T4 Hardened Brigands, or the tier 5 Horse Raider?

[Teralitha]

The T4 is what I prefer, but i use both if I have plenty of income. Very easy to raise them up and replace them and not too expensive. All troops are cannon fodder to me, so I dont bother getting T5 an T6 versions. Too much time and money is wasted on building up t6 troops when they are just gonna die anyway and take all your income to maintain.

So yea Im serious.