Ultimate Character

[Vertibird]

This build takes best perks and sacrifices little. You can enjoy both combat and leading armies and a kingdom with this build.
Level 32 stats: 5 vigor, 5 control, 5 endurance, 3 cunning, 10 social, 2 int.
5 focus skills: two handed, bow, riding, athletics, smithing, scouting, charm, leadership. 2 focus on medicine.
Reason: 250 on two handed skill with a hand crafted two handed axe is very powerful both on foot and horseback. With an axe, you can cleave multiple enemies and lategame you can easily kill masses with it.
250 on bow for the perk that gives faster aiming. You can pick off anything with a noble bow with 250 skill. Bow is way better than throwing and crossbow. Riding for 225 skill perk Mounted Patrols.
250 athletics, for stat bonuses and finally 250 skill perk that gives %10 armor buff. This is very useful for survival and works better the more armor you have.
250 smithing is for stat bonuses and for crafting a nice masterwork two handed axe for you.
232 scouting, this is for 225 skill perk Keen Sight. Combine it with Mounted Patrols perk (riding), your prisoner lords have zero escape chance. Dont tell me Perk bonuses are multiplicative. I played this game for 1000 hours and I am still waiting to see a lord to escape from my party.
Charm and leadership maxed to 330. They are immensely powerful skills with gamechanging perks (like +1 party limit) and you cant assign someone to these roles.
2 focus on medicine for first 3 perks which is very useful for you and your party. I assign my elder brother to quartermaster role and he is also captain of my Horse archers. I assigned my sister as my engineer. My younger brother and all our spouses are party leaders. The only thing I miss in this setup is medicine ( which I assigned it to my scholar companion) because I miss the brokenly op Minister of health Perk. But to get that perk I need 7 int minimum and it completely destroys this build. So this is a sacrifice I had to make.
Have fun playing!

MEGA EDIT: Boys look what we have here! A player named Sheepify shared his "Ultimate Character Build" with us! Lets check it together:
2 Social with 0 Focus: No charm, no leadership. No charm: -1 Companion limit (it will be permanently limited at 10 instead of 11). Influence starved, less recruit slot from npcs.
No leadership: -105 unit size , -1 to Clan Party limit (total clan party number will be permanently 4 instead of 5) , Every clan party size is 80 units less. Without leader of the masses perk each town wont give +5 party size, so with 10 towns, party size will be -50 units. Total main character party size will be 160 units (5 from marry men) smaller (on average) than a main character with Leadership. Without leadership, npc recruitment slots will take a permanent -1 hit. Prisoner recruitment rates are permanently way slower (so no replenishing troops on the way with prisoners), there will be no daily troops xp, or 200xp to per freshly recruited troops etc. What is worse is you cant assign charm and leadership roles to anyone else. So these huge handicaps are permanent.
- No ranged: Imagine playing a character without any ranged weapons and call it "Ultimate". Nuff said.
- Maxing intelligence instead of social: Unlike social , steward, medicine and engineering skills can be very efficiently assigned to any npc. For example my brother has max steward now and he is the quartermaster. My surgeon companion has 270 medicine now. My Engineer has 10 int and 5 focus on engineering and she nearly maxed it. There are very few party leader perks for intelligence so you can safely allow someone else for these roles.
For those huge handicaps compared to my build, he still managed to bring something positive! Yes , he will have 2 more free companions than me! ( I have 11 companions, lets pretend that I use 3 of them to roles, 11-3=8, Sheepify will have 10 if we pretend that he doesnt use any companions in party roles). What advantage is +2 companions in this game? Since my clan party size are filled with family members with great party leader skills (like steward, tactics, scouting), there is absolutely no advantage in leading parties. On the contrary he handicaps himself even more if he uses companions on party leader roles. Because they are way inferior than some great Lord NPCs. As he admits only option remaining is to use companions as governors. Remember that I too still have 8 companions which can be assigned as governors. +2 more companions as governors means absolutely nothing in game. First, companions make very weak governors, second and more important thing is: Loyalty becomes a completely non issue after enacting correct policies ( for example in my current game I am Khuzait, my empire towns are governed by no one and their loyalty is off the charts). Third: What little money a companion has potential to bring by governing a town is nothing. I didnt assign anyone to 3/4 of my towns and I am swimming in cash whole game.
Summary of Sheepify's "Ultimate Character Build"
Negatives:Hundreds of less troops: Maun party will have 160 troops less , your clan will have 650 troops less total (-160 main party, -240 from 3 parties, -250 on average from missing fifth party), permanently -1 companion, permanently -1 clan party, permanently reduced clan strength, no ranged whole game.
Positives : +2 freed companions you can use as governors because you assigned intelligence roles to yourself.
He also thinks Battanian skirmishers are better than Khan's Guards.
I am going to put this to front page for everyone to see the glorious "Sheepify's Ultimate Character Build", I'll update this from time to time so that new generation of players can benefit from his build too.

[Rhapsody]

Leadership skill does not increase party size on its own, only the capstone perk does, but it's still recommendable to grab that. Steward skill increases party size by one for every 4 levels, and although you can delegate it to a companion, I wouldn't because it's easy to level up and has some useful or flavorful party leader and player-only perks. If you must delegate the quartermaster role, I'd give it to a family member who is not yet able to run their own party. Same with engineering. Your companion slots are better spent on governorship (because you can have governors of different cultures, unlike your family members) and maybe running a couple of caravans, depending on the stage of the game.

Vertibird の投稿を引用：

Play only on freebooter difficulty. Upper difficulties can frusturate you and make you uninstall the game. Be patient.

Not sure if this is serious comment or not, but if you're not playing on Bannerlord difficulty, there's nothing "ultimate" in your game.

Trying to max out quantity over quality can also lead into problems at various stages of the game. For one thing, it makes your party slower, reducing effective campaigning speed. It's also eventually going to bite into your budget when you're holding numerous towns and trying to maintain large enough garrison in each to not just defend them effectively in case of a siege, but to repel even the very possibility of siege from occurring, depending on your neighbor factions and towns locations and so on.

Vertibird の投稿を引用：

Battanian skirmishers are better than Khan's Guards.

Recommend you try some powerful javelin troops in the game yourself. They can seriously decimate horse archers. The AI almost never uses them against you however, so that's why you can almost always have free reign with khans.

Would also recommend everyone to wipe off that childish superiority complex attitude. It's just a game, and not particularly difficult one at that, even on highest difficulty settings. If anything, Bannerlord requires persistence over function.

[flyingscot1066]

Vertibird の投稿を引用：

Boys look what we have here! Sheepify shared his "Ultimate Character Build" with us! Lets check it together:

The funny part is you don't even realize how much you're embarrassing yourself. There's a LOT of ♥♥♥♥ that I disagree with Sheepify with, but not on strategic gameplay. You're out of your league son.

2 Social with 0 Focus: No charm, no leadership. No charm: -1 Companion limit (it will be permanently limited at 10 instead of 11)

While I wouldn't PERSONALLY gimp my Leadership, it's not vital if you aren't interested in running the biggest fattest party. I like it, but I know it's not necessary. Hardly what I'd call sub-optimal.

Influence starved

Did you bump your head, boy? I gain more influence than I can possibly use through wars. Who tf needs the extra 16/day to stay afloat?

, less recruit slot from npcs.

Fewer, not less. And with the relations I generate with my notables for high security and loyalty, it's redundant.

No leadership: -105 unit size

Again, when you can do what we can do with smaller parties, it's not a big deal. Sorry you need the extra cannon fodder, doesn't mean we all do.

-1 to Clan Party limit (total clan party number will be permanently 4 instead of 5)

4 parties or 5 isn't ging to make a single bit of difference by the time you have your Leadership that high. You should have plenty of allied clans to provide enough parties plus some.

Every clan party size is 80 units less.

I'm sorry, where are you getting this one from? It's late and I might not be understanding what you're referencing.

Without leader of the masses perk each town wont give +5 party size, so with 10 towns, party size will be -50 units. Total main character party size will be 155 units smaller (on average) than a main character with Leadership.

Again, if you don't need a horde at your back, not an issue.

Without leadership, npc recruitment slots will take a permanent -1 hit.

Um, NOPE. Relations will max those slots out JUST FINE.

Prisoner recruitment rates are permanently way slower (so no replenishing troops on the way with prisoners),

If you're not losing half your troops every fight, not a big deal.

there will be no daily troops xp or 200xp to per freshly recruited troops etc.,

Can I interest you in some battlefield scraps through Paid in Promise or Giving Hands, milord?

What is worse is you cant assign charm and leadership roles to anyone else. So these huge handicaps are permanent.

Once again, those are only handicaps if you need them to not suck.

- No ranged: Imagine playing a character without any ranged weapons and call it "Ultimate". Nuff said.

I like ranged personally, but it's because I'm lazy. I am perfectly capable of getting off my horse and going into melee to get 200 kills instead of 30.

- Maxing intelligence instead of social: Unlike social , steward, medicine and engineering skills can be very efficiently assigned to any npc

No, they really can't. There are too many that are Party Leader or Clan Leader.

For example my brother has max steward now and he is the quartermaster.

Congratulations, you're wasting your best governor/party leader as your aide de camp. Well done.

My surgeon companion has 270 medicine now.

And how are his Health Advice, Cheat Death, and Minister of Health perks working out for you there, bud?

My Engineer has 10 int and 5 focus on engineering and she nearly maxed it.

Engineer should be left to others. Saves you 5 skill points, and helps train up better governors for newly conquered fiefs.

There are very few party leader perks for intelligence so you can safely allow someone else for these roles.

They might be few, but they are incredibly important.

For those huge handicaps compared to my build, he still managed to bring something positive! Yes , he will have 2 more free companions than me! ( I have 11 companions, lets pretend that I use 3 of them to roles, 11-3=8, Sheepify will have 10 if we pretend that he doesnt use any companions in party roles). What advantage is +2 companions in this game?

More Governors = more fiefs you don't have to micromanage, regardless of what kingdom policies you enact. it's about more than just the loyalty.

Since my clan party size are filled with family members with great party leader skills (like steward, tactics, scouting),

All skills they will develop while leading parties and caravans of their own as you progress through the game.

there is absolutely no advantage in leading parties. On the contrary he handicaps himself even more if he uses companions on party leader roles. Because they are way inferior than some great Lord NPCs.

Well yes, if one is as bad at the game as you seem to be, that is true.

As he admits only option remaining is to use companions as governors. Remember that I too still have 8 companions which can be assigned as governors. +2 more companions as governors means absolutely nothing in game.

That's 10 towns with governors to your 8.

First, companions make very weak governors

If you suck.

second and more important thing is: Loyalty becomes a completely non issue after enacting correct policies ( for example in my current game I am Khuzait, my empire towns are governed by no one and their loyalty is off the charts). Third: What little money a companion has potential to bring by governing a town is nothing. I didnt assign anyone to 3/4 of my towns and I am swimming in cash whole game.

Again, it's not just about the Loyalty. That's checkers kind of thinking.

Summary of Sheepify's "Ultimate Character Build"
Negatives:Hundreds of less troops, permanently -1 companion, permanently -1 clan party, permanently reduced clan strength, no ranged whole game.

Actually your build has hundreds less troops, his has hundreds fewer, but stronger. -1 companion. whoopee? Still not sure where you get the reduced clan strength. No ranged. OK? Is there a hunting minigame? Can't hire archers?

Positives : +2 freed companions you can use as governors because you assigned intelligence roles to yourself.

When I get into later game I am always wishing I had more governors. Makes it easier to manage the part of the world you've already conquered. You'll figure that out when you get there.

He also thinks Battanian skirmishers are better than Khan's Guards.

Denar for denar, they are MILES better, unless you're console warrioring in a ton of war horses.

I am going to put this to front page for everyone to see the glorious "Sheepify's Ultimate Character Build", I'll update this from time to time so that new generation of players can benefit from his build too.:steamlaughcry:

Of course you will, because you're a petty child who can't take a little criticism.

Had you responded to critiques or differing opinions of your build with a little bit of open mindedness, you wouldn't have gotten dragged so hard. the sad part is you think you came out on top of your head to head with one of the best players in the game. Don't tell Sheepify I said that.

[Vertibird]

Rhapsody の投稿を引用：

Leadership skill does not increase party size on its own, only the capstone perk does, but it's still recommendable to grab that. Steward skill increases party size by one for every 4 levels, and although you can delegate it to a companion, I wouldn't because it's easy to level up and has some useful or flavorful party leader and player-only perks. If you must delegate the quartermaster role, I'd give it to a family member who is not yet able to run their own party. Same with engineering. Your companion slots are better spent on governorship (because you can have governors of different cultures, unlike your family members) and maybe running a couple of caravans, depending on the stage of the game.

Vertibird の投稿を引用：

Play only on freebooter difficulty. Upper difficulties can frusturate you and make you uninstall the game. Be patient.

Not sure if this is serious comment or not, but if you're not playing on Bannerlord difficulty, there's nothing "ultimate" in your game.

Trying to max out quantity over quality can also lead into problems at various stages of the game. For one thing, it makes your party slower, reducing effective campaigning speed. It's also eventually going to bite into your budget when you're holding numerous towns and trying to maintain large enough garrison in each to not just defend them effectively in case of a siege, but to repel even the very possibility of siege from occurring, depending on your neighbor factions and towns locations and so on.

Vertibird の投稿を引用：

Battanian skirmishers are better than Khan's Guards.

Recommend you try some powerful javelin troops in the game yourself. They can seriously decimate horse archers. The AI almost never uses them against you however, so that's why you can almost always have free reign with khans.

Would also recommend everyone to wipe off that childish superiority complex attitude. It's just a game, and not particularly difficult one at that, even on highest difficulty settings. If anything, Bannerlord requires persistence over function.

1- About leadership: No, you are seriously wrong. Leadership have other perks that increases party size, named "authority" , "leader of the masses" , "uplifting spirit" . These perks all increase party size of your main party. So, if you dont know much about the game, dont post pretending to know something.
2- About family members cant be from another culture: Again, you are so wrong, did you ever play this game? Your spouses can easily be from any culture and they are your family members too. But still making a valuable family member governor is an absolute waste.
3- About freebooter difficulty: Learn to read before you write. Its blatantly obvious I recommended Sheepify to play on freebooter difficulty because he knows nothing about the game pretending to know it. But looking at your answer, you should play on that difficulty too. Me? I only ever played on Bannerlord difficulty from my first hour to thousand hours.
4- About maxing quantity and neglecting quality: Me and my clan has maximized amount of troops. I have nearly every party leader perk that affects my Khan's Guards, my brother has nearly every (maybe missing only 1-2 polearm perks) captain perk that affects Khan's Guards. I travel at 4.6 speed with 575 men and catch everything that is worth it. So can you tell me which quality I neglect in my build? Of course you cant.
5-About budget and garrison, I never even tried to fill garrison except dumping the troops I rescued last battle. If you are trying to garrison troops you are playing the game seriously wrong, you need to improve.
6- There cant be any easier game than playing with Khan's Guards. You can defeat entier armies alone with ease. Infantry, skirmishers etc slow you , and meleeing always causes attrition on your side. Also you cant defeat 2000 size army with 500 battanian skirmishers. 1st throwing projectiles is not enough to kill enough troops, 2nd throwing range means melee will follow very soon and you will lose if you are outnumbered much. Wise players avoid melee. I can win most 1000+ unit battles with no losses. So having infantry melee party will get your party wiped, you will be forced to stay away from armies most of the time and have to replenish troops because of constant losses. Finally, every respectable player (I am not talking about lvl1 private profiles here get it?) ranks skirmishers lowly or average at best. If you want javelin infantry, use Aserai Veterans and Faris.
I see you have serious flaws both in your logic and basics of game knowledge proven by facts I have written above. I recommend you visit www.bannerlordperks.com site to learn about skills&perks.
I am on fire today! Anyone else for me to help?

[lar unuruur]

khaans guards are good and ultimate builds too. maybe.
but game is easy enough that it does not matter much, if at all!
low hanging fruits in skill trees are BEST! all late investments are only somewhat valid for late game. and when it is late game, they do not matter anyway again.
player is so strong, it just stops to matter what end perks player has!

you know what was THE FASTEST campaign of map painting? one done on autoresolve with whatever units avialable. THATS IT! matter was nearly nothing of all this shait, only tactical play on world map. fastest = most efficient.

that also meant all buff perks were simply of no matter too. what meant "build" was not matter. just world map movements and number game of units.

[Rhapsody]

Vertibird の投稿を引用：

I am on fire today! Anyone else for me to help? :steamlaughcry:

Thanks, but I already have a garbage incineration service. I didn't even say that what you're trying to prove here doesn't work, but I can see you can't help not antagonizing everyone trying to provide even moderate counterpoints or alternative views on the game or explain that there are other sources of party size than just leadership perks. Welcome to my block list, not even Sheepify or Ceno has managed that. ;)

[Vertibird]

flyingscot1066 の投稿を引用：

Ah, a fresh student. I am going to lecture you hard boy!
Lets see what we have here:
- About party size: If you want a tiny party and weak clan to play the game with, dont post on threads like "ultimate" or you will be humiliated a lot by me and others. No one here cares about your -160 party size, -650 clan party size. Read what I wrote above, read them carefully with Sheepify.
- About recruitment slots: There are two +1 recruitment slot perks, 1 from charm and 1 from leadership, so you miss 2. This allows faster replenishment of troops and not redundant.
- About +80 clan party size: If you dont know details of some very well known perks of this game, dont further embarrass yourself. I am lmao from here. I am going to teach you hard now: There is a perk called "Ultimate Leader" at the end of the leadership skill tree. Which increases party size of your whole clan. If you have 330 leadership skill, you and your other 4 clan parties will have +80 troops. This means +400 troops only from "Ultimate Leader" perk. For the very basics of learning skills&perks please visit www.bannerlordperks.com and dont waste pro gamers valuable time here.
-Bow is not only about shooting, there are some good party leader perks here for your troops on top of you can one shot anything you want from afar.
-About intelligence: No you are wrong, steward, medicine and engineering skills has mostly weak party leader perks, except minister of health. Learn perks from above site.
-About medicine: Small increase to life expectancy for clan is worthless already. I finish game way long before anyone dies in my clan. No doubt you will need those perks with how little party you have because it will take a looooooooooong time before you conquer somewhere.
- Governors: Your love of governors mean you just cant manage game economy and revolts. These can be easily done if you use your logic and knew the basics of the game. With no governors, I am steamrolling everyone and I cant stop gaining absurd amount of money. You need serious help in this matter.
- About party role: Good luck trying to raise int stat of a companion to 10 and get 330 steward, scouting, tactics etc. Your companions cant even defeat mountain bandits with their pathetically weak parties. On the other hand I use real nobles and family members as party leaders. They are great from start and can easily max needed skills.
-About comparing builds: You said my build has less troops. You cant even read, why try to play a game which requires decent reading? I have 160 more troops and my clan have +650 more troops compared to other build, get it now? Also other build has nothing stronger than this. Its blatantly weak.
-About lategame governors: If you are still trying to get more governors lategame, this game is not for you. You should play easier games to challenge yourself less. Economy and loyalty are non issues in mid game at the latest.
- Crying about Khan's Guards are expensive: This proves your lack of very basic understanding of economy. Yes I am constantly travelling with 570+ Khan's Guards, my other 4 parties are filled with troops and I am drowning in money.
Haha please look at here: Another random player named "flyingscot1066" who believes playing with -650 troops with no advantage whatsoever is the best build.
I am having so much fun publicly lecturing you. Ok now you can go play with your weak little party. I fight with facts and numbers. You are clearly no match for me. Any other?

[Vertibird]

Rhapsody の投稿を引用：

Vertibird の投稿を引用：

I am on fire today! Anyone else for me to help?

Thanks, but I already have a garbage incineration service. I didn't even say that what you're trying to prove here doesn't work, but I can see you can't help not antagonizing everyone trying to provide even moderate counterpoints or alternative views on the game or explain that there are other sources of party size than just leadership perks. Welcome to my block list, not even Sheepify or Ceno has managed that. ;)

Oh I am really heartbroken not being able to read your valuable insight about this game.

[flyingscot1066]

I had a whole reply all typed up and Steam lost it.. Anyway, I'll address the high points.

Vertibird の投稿を引用：

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Ah, a fresh student. I am going to lecture you hard boy!

I remember when you first showed up on this board, kid.

Lets see what we have here:
- About party size: If you want a tiny party and weak clan to play the game with, dont post on threads like "ultimate" or you will be humiliated a lot by me and others. No one here cares about your -160 party size, -650 clan party size. Read what I wrote above, read them carefully with Sheepify.

I never said I have small party sizes. That's you assuming. Sheepify runs with a smaller party, and does everything that you need a whole horde of troops to do.

- About recruitment slots: There are two +1 recruitment slot perks, 1 from charm and 1 from leadership, so you miss 2. This allows faster replenishment of troops and not redundant.

I miss nothing. I max out my recruitment slots without having to use perks to do it.

- About +80 clan party size: If you dont know details of some very well known perks of this game, dont further embarrass yourself. I am lmao from here. I am going to teach you hard now: There is a perk called "Ultimate Leader" at the end of the leadership skill tree. Which increases party size of your whole clan. If you have 330 leadership skill, you and your other 4 clan parties will have +80 troops. This means +400 troops only from "Ultimate Leader" perk.

Thank you. I was having a hard time recalling where that came from. I didn't say it didn't exist, I just couldn't recall it at the moment. it was 4 AM when i posted.

For the very basics of learning skills&perks please visit www.bannerlordperks.com and dont waste pro gamers valuable time here.

When you find a pro gamer, send them my way. You ain't it.

-Bow is not only about shooting, there are some good party leader perks here for your troops on top of you can one shot anything you want from afar.

It's not about shooting, but it's about 1 shotting things from afar? oookay.

-About intelligence: No you are wrong, steward, medicine and engineering skills has mostly weak party leader perks, except minister of health. Learn perks from above site.

So so very wrong... Preventative Medicine - Personal, Self Medication - Personal, Walk it off - Personal, Doctor's Oath - Personal, Best Medicine/Good Lodging - Party Leader, Health Advice - Clan Leader, Cheat Death - Personal, Fortitude Tonic - Personal/Party Leader, Minister of Health - Party Leader. Just the ones that benefit you alone give you an extra 25 hp, not to mention reduced chance of dying in battle, plus the increased healing for troops.

-About medicine: Small increase to life expectancy for clan is worthless already. I finish game way long before anyone dies in my clan. No doubt you will need those perks with how little party you have because it will take a looooooooooong time before you conquer somewhere.

If you played on bannerlord difficulty without death for your party members reduced by 100%, it might be more important to you. And yes, we all know that it's possible to finish the game before main character kicks the bucket. I've had him die once on me in dozens of playthroughs, you're not special.

- Governors: Your love of governors mean you just cant manage game economy and revolts. These can be easily done if you use your logic and knew the basics of the game. With no governors, I am steamrolling everyone and I cant stop gaining absurd amount of money. You need serious help in this matter.

You really can't read, can you? I specifically stated in several places that the governors are not about Loyalty.

- About party role: Good luck trying to raise int stat of a companion to 10 and get 330 steward, scouting, tactics etc. Your companions cant even defeat mountain bandits with their pathetically weak parties. On the other hand I use real nobles and family members as party leaders. They are great from start and can easily max needed skills.

Hey, if your parties are struggling with Mountain Bandits, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe try speccing them better.

-About comparing builds: You said my build has less troops. You cant even read, why try to play a game which requires decent reading?

Ok, now this is the REALLY funny part. Lesser troops doesn't mean number. I know English isn't your first language, so I will give you a free grammar lesson. If you can count something, troops, trees, raindrops, etc, the term is FEWER. If you measure it by volume, water, honey, space, etc., it's LESS. So what I was doing was saying that you have weaker troops, but more of them.

I have 160 more troops and my clan have +650 more troops compared to other build, get it now?

Oh yes. That's obvious. You have more troops than Sheepify. He even said so. He said he can do with 400 what you can do with 560. Faster.

Also other build has nothing stronger than this. Its blatantly weak.

Uh, no. There's this nice website, www.bannerlordperks.com that you should check out. It shows how you have neglected your units horribly. A veritable peasant rabble on malnourished nags, with pointy sticks they are not 100% certain which end to hold.

-About lategame governors: If you are still trying to get more governors lategame, this game is not for you. You should play easier games to challenge yourself less. Economy and loyalty are non issues in mid game at the latest.

I am striving to improve my kingdom in every way right up to the very end. Million dinars in the bank with 50,000 a day coming in? More. Average prosperity of towns 5,000? Higher. Relations with every clan at 99? 100.

- Crying about Khan's Guards are expensive: This proves your lack of very basic understanding of economy. Yes I am constantly travelling with 570+ Khan's Guards, my other 4 parties are filled with troops and I am drowning in money.

Bully for you. I prefer a mix of troops. I also have 570+ in my build. (Never said I used the same one Sheepify does)

Haha please look at here: Another random player named "flyingscot1066" who believes playing with -650 troops with no advantage whatsoever is the best build.:steamlaughcry:

And here we are back to you making inaccurate assumptions.

I am having so much fun publicly lecturing you. Ok now you can go play with your weak little party. I fight with facts and numbers. You are clearly no match for me. Any other? :presidente:

You're funny. Talking to you is like playing chess with a pigeon. All they do is knock over the pieces, poop on the board, and strut around like they did something.

[Vertibird]

flyingscot1066 の投稿を引用：

I had a whole reply all typed up and Steam lost it.. Anyway, I'll address the high points.




I remember when you first showed up on this board, kid.


I never said I have small party sizes. That's you assuming. Sheepify runs with a smaller party, and does everything that you need a whole horde of troops to do.


I miss nothing. I max out my recruitment slots without having to use perks to do it.


Thank you. I was having a hard time recalling where that came from. I didn't say it didn't exist, I just couldn't recall it at the moment. it was 4 AM when i posted.


When you find a pro gamer, send them my way. You ain't it.


It's not about shooting, but it's about 1 shotting things from afar? oookay.

So so very wrong... Preventative Medicine - Personal, Self Medication - Personal, Walk it off - Personal, Doctor's Oath - Personal, Best Medicine/Good Lodging - Party Leader, Health Advice - Clan Leader, Cheat Death - Personal, Fortitude Tonic - Personal/Party Leader, Minister of Health - Party Leader. Just the ones that benefit you alone give you an extra 25 hp, not to mention reduced chance of dying in battle, plus the increased healing for troops.

If you played on bannerlord difficulty without death for your party members reduced by 100%, it might be more important to you. And yes, we all know that it's possible to finish the game before main character kicks the bucket. I've had him die once on me in dozens of playthroughs, you're not special.

You really can't read, can you? I specifically stated in several places that the governors are not about Loyalty.

Hey, if your parties are struggling with Mountain Bandits, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe try speccing them better.

Ok, now this is the REALLY funny part. Lesser troops doesn't mean number. I know English isn't your first language, so I will give you a free grammar lesson. If you can count something, troops, trees, raindrops, etc, the term is FEWER. If you measure it by volume, water, honey, space, etc., it's LESS. So what I was doing was saying that you have weaker troops, but more of them.

Oh yes. That's obvious. You have more troops than Sheepify. He even said so. He said he can do with 400 what you can do with 560. Faster.

Uh, no. There's this nice website, www.bannerlordperks.com that you should check out. It shows how you have neglected your units horribly. A veritable peasant rabble on malnourished nags, with pointy sticks they are not 100% certain which end to hold.

I am striving to improve my kingdom in every way right up to the very end. Million dinars in the bank with 50,000 a day coming in? More. Average prosperity of towns 5,000? Higher. Relations with every clan at 99? 100.

Bully for you. I prefer a mix of troops. I also have 570+ in my build. (Never said I used the same one Sheepify does)

And here we are back to you making inaccurate assumptions.


You're funny. Talking to you is like playing chess with a pigeon. All they do is knock over the pieces, poop on the board, and strut around like they did something.

Lets have fun with Uncle Vertibird shall we? Ok lets go:
-Kid? I have 13 years of Steam Service Badge and you have 11 lol. You are the newbie here.
-I wrote "its not only about shooting" not "its not about shooting" read carefully.
-If you read carefully, my build already has 75 medicine skill. Now please read www.bannerlordperks.com site this time. Because if you pick every medicine skill yourself you will gain total of 15 hit points, not 25. My build already gains 10hp of 15hp and majority of the healing benefits thanks to the first 3 perks. Did you really play this game? First 75 skill perks is all I need for an efficient playthrough.
-I know death occurs and I play with death on for everyone, but it happens so rarely, I died only once in one of my Battanian campaign. It happened only once in my whole playtime.
-You say governors are not about loyalty or money. What do you expect from them then? They are not needed ever.
-Other claims you made are totaly without facts and you couldnt answer my questions. For example how can skirmishers end battles faster than Khan's Guards and without losses?How is a build without social has "stronger" units than mine? How a party of skirmishers deal with 2000 man army? Fast and without losses? Sit down, you failed again. If you want more, I can give you more anytime.

[Aegyssus]

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C'mon guys, we have a player here which believes a build with "2 social 0 focus and absolutely no ranged skills" is "The Ultimate Build". Someone talk some sense into him, this is pure madness! :biohazard:

Yeah crazy but he thinks it's wonderful. Most think they know the rules, i been playing for years know how the fabric of the game works only certain changes in Bannerlord i don't know about but quickly adjust too because i know the mechanics of the game, what skills are really needed, what you can level later or reset if needed.

Half these people don't know you can reset skill lines right...

These types don't even comprehend the time period they play in than complain about serfs not having social rights when it comes to taxes. so spoiled some of these modern types they fail to understand how the human race dealt with matters & laws over different time periods.

IT'S THE 10TH CENTURY not the 15th or the 16th, big difference in social rule & laws of governing bodies. these kids don't even understand this concept and complain about it. mod your game if you don't like a certain rule set in vanilla.

I don't expect most to come up with a comprehensive build because most fail to understand the basic game-play think having a high HACK O Slash skill is best like one of those dumb games where you battle bosses in the same rematch over & over.

I might add, that years ago I red a dissertation on William the Conqueror on his alleged (?) speech to his troops before Hasting, 1066 AD.

And it had this sentence in that speech:
"... soldiers younger than 14 will remain to defend the encampment"
More than 300 Soldiers younger than 14 remained behind.
Meaning, obviously, that soldiers of plus 14 went into battle.

And last, but not least, Baldwin IV of Jerusalem (the Leper King) won his 1st major battle while leading the charge in person, when he was barely 16 years old.

At 18 years of age, they were hardened Warriors, with years of wars behind them.
In Real Life, not in games,...

And that is just an aspect among many...

[Vertibird]

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For example how can skirmishers end battles faster than Khan's Guards and without losses?

Maybe if you played with all units, instead of just cheesing T6 and T7, you'd understand their performance enough to know melee infantry kills fastest, even when accounting for their need to run up to the enemy.

Melee infantry with javelins is a complete outlier in their effectiveness aside from the broken Fians in terms of required time to wipe entire enemy force.

And where did I ever say "without losses?" The whole point is that the skirmishers are so easy to replace, and effective already at T2, the occasional casualty doesn't matter. And Minister of Health, combined with the units' native effectiveness, does a lot to prevent them from occurring in the first place.

Incidentally, how exactly do you level up your Medicine and Leadership, since you're taking no loses, so much lower Medicine XP, and no Leadership XP from troop upgrades?

Oh, right. You do take loses, just don't want to admit it because it breaks your completely unrealistic narrative.

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Oh yes. That's obvious. You have more troops than Sheepify. He even said so. He said he can do with 400 what you can do with 560. Faster.

Lol, yeah, that's what the little sunshine doesn't even want to consider acknowledging.

He's just dragging 9700+ daily wage party around doing, for the most part, exactly the same things I can do with a fraction of the cost, and men.

Also, he's severely understating the need for replacements in his setup. Khan's Guard will die just like any other troops, and they are probably the most painful troop to replace. Even if you perk for armor and weapon donations XP, which he did not.

Dude's a pure joke at this point.

Oh, still waiting for him to educate us all about the oh-so-important Party Leader perks from Bow, kek.

flyingscot1066 の投稿を引用：

You're funny. Talking to you is like playing chess with a pigeon. All they do is knock over the pieces, poop on the board, and strut around like they did something.

Basically.

At least you got some useless free points with the Jester award out of it. Because precious geniuses around here can't be bothered to articulate their arguments (mostly because they are ♥♥♥♥), and clicking an award button is so much more superior approach to a discussion anyway XD

Its so easy to level up medicine to 75, just take some cannon fodder to your party and its done already. Medicine rises so easily, my surgeon has 270 medicine now and I didnt even grind for it. Sometimes I use rescued troops as cannon fodders, healing troops wounded during siege assault, in big battles I can lose about 10 men but wounded can be 20-40, by doing countless battles these add up quick.
Leadership is way easier, I just gather my whole kingdom to my army and travel with them for a while. The more troops your army has the more leadership you will gain. Also keeping party morale high will help leadership increase a bit.
- Still crying for money? Boy, maybe I should send you my glorious savegame lol otherwise you wont believe money is not an issue. I have so much money I sometimes go and buy clans with a city (I took Varcheg without siege by buying the clan). Ok come listen, I am giving you another pro tip:
Noble tier troops are actually very easy to replenish. You just go visit castle villages which are lot in Khuzait lands. With bonus +2 recruitement level from villages (which you completely lack before you have ZERO social ) I can easily recruit Khuzait noble units from villages en masse ( like 20 units from one village)! All of them start with horse and bow, and most of them can be directly recruited higher tier (like Qanqli or Torguud). Be a humble student and I shall teach.
"Education's purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one."

― Malcolm Forbes

[Vertibird]

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Its so easy to level up medicine to 75, just take some cannon fodder to your party and its done already

Oh, so it's not just your Khan's Guard in the party, after all?

And your surgeon easily got 270 medicine with no casualties from your T7 troops, sure. Magically got free points from your expert familiarity with Party Leader perks, I'm sure.

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Leadership is way easier, I just gather my whole kingdom to my army and travel with them for a while. The more troops your army has the more leadership you will gain.

Lol, so not only are you dragging around 9700+ daily wage, you also cluster up all the other lords to run along with you despite claiming you don't need them to engage any enemy army effectively present in the game?

You need a truck to pick up all the soil from the hole you're digging under your "arguments?" Cause you're running out of free space around, brah.

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Still crying for money?

"Still?" Never did, just pointed out your horrible inefficiency for "Ultimate" tag.

Vertibird の投稿を引用：

Noble tier troops are actually very easy to replenish.

And they instantly come at T7, too, while also not requiring the two mounts you need to level them up.

So easy.

Vertibird の投稿を引用：

"Education's purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one."

― Malcolm Forbes

Says the guy who can't be even assed to experience gameplay himself before making ridiculous statements about troop performance because he saw a few seconds of some YooToob vidya about it.

Is there anything you know correctly about this game?
You wrote 2 horses are required to level up Khuzait noble units. Even average players know that you only need 1 war horse to fully upgrade a khuzait noble unit to last tier. You hide your profile, maybe you hide the fact that you didnt even play this game. Your extreme lack of knowledge about this game raises suspicions.
- Also do I have to carry only Khuzait Noble troops all the game? Sometimes I like to use trash units to use as cannon fodder. Like I lost 20 khan's guards during a long war, I temporarly fill empty slots with rescued units. Also unlike your trash build, my party size constantly increases by conquering towns (+5 each). Other than that, during leveling leadership, increasing clan tier, enacting policies like noble retinues or king's guards , your party size increases a lot instantly and I fill those slots with other units until peace declaration and return to homeland. Human brain can adapt to every situation, I suggest you try to do the same.
Also, comparing yourself to that youtuber is like comparing battanian recruit to fian champion lol You should respect your superiors and learn from them.

Here is a picture for you from me:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2900650187

[Vertibird]

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You wrote 2 horses are required to level up Khuzait noble units. Even average players know that you only need 1 war horse to fully upgrade a khuzait noble unit to last tier.

You are right, apparently associating with you affected my brain to such a degree that I imagined Khan's Guard requiring noble mount to upgrade, rather than recall it as a discussed suggestion on the official forum that it was. It's "just" one war mount to replace your every single casualty.

Oh, how ever shall I live it down.

How about correcting me also about those necessary Party Leader Bow perks you absolutely need to have in your "Ultimate" build while at it?

I was right again, wasn't I?
Bow perk: 570x2 = 1140 bonus arrows, enough to wipe out your tiny little party and their mothers.

[moq]

@Sheepify I was thinking about an infantry-only run, thanks for the insights I've gotten from your exchange with mr. Vertibird.
I have a question: do you use any cavalry in your melee setup, or is it just pure Battanian skirmishers?

[moq]

I most certainly will. Many thanks!