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Alkateia 2 月 28 日 下午 6:40
Are Vlandians Too Powerful?
Or am I just coping for being a bad Battanian army leader by fumbling my chances of winning midway through a battle?
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Action Man 2 月 28 日 下午 7:08 
They're generally pretty strong in my game.

I see it as the game's difficulty system. Join them for an easier campaign. Fight against them for a harder one.

In my observation, easiest to hardest:

Vlandia/Khuzait
Aserai/Southern Empire
Western Empire/Sturgia
Northern Empire
Battania

YMMV
Teralitha 2 月 28 日 下午 8:09 
They are average, but have a few more troops than others.
sharkosaurus 2 月 28 日 下午 10:34 
their cavalry can make it pretty tough (and is their only troop that is not mid) to protect ur archers against them if your archers are already busy dealing with infantry and other archers, unless ur not letting urself use any other culture troops i'd defend them with some imperial legionaries since their pilum are actually pretty strong vs cavalry of all types
最后由 sharkosaurus 编辑于; 2 月 28 日 下午 10:34
kristianjakob 2 月 28 日 下午 10:34 
The way I see it is that if you want the easiest, or at least fastest, campaign you will be Battanian. As a Battanian the prudent thing to do is to clear your back by taking out Vlandia.

So, Vlandia is basically marked for an early death from day 1. Is it hard to do?

Not in my experience at least.
Heidrun 3 月 1 日 上午 12:15 
Vlandians have high armor, but they're not the best, or all THAT strong ,really. They're high armor, low stats iirc.

Battanians are just dog dookie, for everything but the Fians.

If you're running Battanians and you're using their infantry.... you might want to reconsider your choices, there. Fians are imo the BEST troop in the game. Excellent shock troops when they put their bows away, with their two-handed swords (axes would be better, for chopping through shields, but they make do with their high skill), but they're ALSO iirc the BEST ranged troop in the game, able to fire accurately from basically across the entire map.

They're genuinely amazing, especially when you couple all of this with the fact that they have some quite decent armor, and a well-positioned, well-managed block of Fian Champions will decimate anything it comes across. Literally, anything.

I've never lost a battle with a full Fian Champion army. Not once. They're fantastic. There is definitely a trick to it, once the enemy gets a bit too close, but in my experience, unless you're going up against a whole 1000+ army, you're GOING to win. And even then, you stand a decent chance, if the map it gives you has decent terrain.

The trick to positioning your archers, any archers, is to put them on a rather steep incline, so that each line can shoot over the heads of the next. For added benefits, if you can find a LONG ridge, you can also put them in Loose formation and spread them out, for maximum range and spread.

Keep them on Hold Fire until they're within about 200 meters, I'd say with Fian Champions, then have them start raining destruction. Or just keep them on free fire, but I highly recommend holding, if you can help it. When cavalry charges your boys, don't panic, just let them shoot and their uncanny accuracy will send hundreds of horse-fondlers to their graves.

If the enemy is able to break through your archers' torrent of decimating arrows, and you think they stand a good chance of putting a solid dent in them, or worse, besting them entirely, then BEFORE the enemy reaches you (they will probably be slow, as they'd be trying to shield themselves, and do not give the Charge command until they're almost upon you, typically, so even unshielded foes will keep in formation with their shielded comrades), have your archers retreat. Completely leave the battlefield, yourself, then go back in for a full reset of your archers' arrows, and your positions.

Rinse and repeat until all lie dead in your wake. Let the Imperial dogs taste the wrath of the horny tree-huggers!

I almost never have to actually retreat, though. I once bested an army of over 1000 men with nothing but 75 Fian Champions, and didn't even need to retreat. The thing to know is that MOST of their troops are going to be low-tier. Those you cannot shoot, run. Those who cannot run, die.
最后由 Heidrun 编辑于; 3 月 1 日 上午 12:20
Hark 3 月 1 日 上午 1:07 
1, I believe they have the most lords (or is it clans?) at the start of a campaign... thus they can project the most power in early game, militarily.

2, They are on edge of map... so they have less strategic weaknesses than say, Battania or various Empire factions. Furthermore, two of their neighbors are probably the two weakest factions in the game - Sturgia and Battania.

3, BKs are probably the best/easiest 'brainless' cav. The AI can utilize their charging and skirmishing and couchable lance better than they can use most other cav.

Personally, I do think they are the strongest faction, both in the hands of the AI and in the hands of the player (but the latter only if you ignore Fian Champ or Khan's Guard cheese... Heidrun's last bit is a good anecdote about those particular imbalances).
Action Man 3 月 1 日 上午 5:24 
引用自 Hark
1, I believe they have the most lords (or is it clans?) at the start of a campaign... thus they can project the most power in early game, militarily.
Most lords, most clans, and most fiefs combined with the best map placement gives them a pretty hefty advantage.
kharille 3 月 1 日 上午 5:34 
I don't know, in warband and Bannerlord I just accumulate as many heavy cavalry as I can and let em' loose. Maybe I'll try a Battanian playthrough one day, and field lots of horses....

I'm having issue with heavy Aserai cavalry, infantry, heavy everything. Best thing I could do is defend a castle to decimate their numbers.
引用自 Heidrun
If the enemy is able to break through your archers' torrent of decimating arrows, and you think they stand a good chance of putting a solid dent in them, or worse, besting them entirely, then BEFORE the enemy reaches you (they will probably be slow, as they'd be trying to shield themselves, and do not give the Charge command until they're almost upon you, typically, so even unshielded foes will keep in formation with their shielded comrades), have your archers retreat. Completely leave the battlefield, yourself, then go back in for a full reset of your archers' arrows, and your positions.

Rinse and repeat until all lie dead in your wake. Let the Imperial dogs taste the wrath of the horny tree-huggers!
This is just acher cheese. It is nothing more than an exploit; if you go that route then there is virtually zero reason to play the game at all.
引用自 kharille
I don't know, in warband and Bannerlord I just accumulate as many heavy cavalry as I can and let em' loose. Maybe I'll try a Battanian playthrough one day, and field lots of horses....
And..not...field lots of horses:)

A simple workable strategy for Battania is to rely on the fians as your core and protect them with infantry usually in shieldwall or square formation. It doesnt really matter all that much what infantry you use; you can just pick them up as you go.
最后由 kristianjakob 编辑于; 3 月 1 日 上午 7:04
Bob 3 月 1 日 下午 2:13 
In a non-simulated battle it still depends on what you have and against how many you fight.

As a Battanian you should just wield tons of Noble Recruits (Fians) with an infantry frontline made out of Oathsworn (Clan Warriors). Skirmishers dont work well as they spend all their javelins against Cavalry.

Battanian Cavalry is weaker and can be ignored. As I understand Falxman are good, but not Veteran Falxman as Line Breakers.

Keep you Archers in a position so they can use their bows. The best is loose and not moving (AI control tends to move them a lot). And your infantry frontline should intercept the enemies infantry frontline and defend against Vlandian Crossbowman with their shields. Ignore their cavalry you Fians work well against them.
Darklight 3 月 1 日 下午 2:29 
Vlandians are pretty strong. They are my favourite faction to play with. Their cavalry is good, infantry and crossbows are alright. Their weakness is more just being overall generally good but masters of nothing besides style.

Calvary typically overpowers archers which is Vlandians strongest unit versus Battanians strongest unit. Just rely on your Fians for killing power and focus on protecting them from their cav disrupting them and your Fians will do all the rest.
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