How do I defeat Khan's guard?

[Warnoise]

So I am fighting the khuzait and their army is running around with 180+ Khan's guard.

They absolutely murder everything. They are very fast, tanky, have good archery skills and after they run out of arrows they start slaughtering everyone with their glaves.

I am playing as a serais and for the life of me I don't know what to do. I tried the javelin guys but the khan's are so fast that they are able to dodge most javelins.

I feel they are overpowered but I'm new to the game so I don't know.

Anyone has a good strategy to counter Khan's guard spam with aserai?

[Action Man]

I usually counter Khan's Guards with cavalry. If you're committed to Aserai Troops, send their cavalry at them, but give them the order to Hold Fire. Otherwise they'll try to ride around them and throw javelins, quickly getting disorganized and scattered. Khan's Guards are probably going to win in that scenario.

Or fight them in places where their mounts aren't as effective. If they're chasing you, lure them to villages to fight there. Best way is in a siege, because nobody gets mounts.

If you're open to recruiting other faction troops, Imperial Cataphracts, Vlandian Banner Knights, or Sturgian Druzhinnick Champions are options.

[LOLwhat2]

Originally posted by Warnoise:

So I am fighting the khuzait and their army is running around with 180+ Khan's guard.

They absolutely murder everything. They are very fast, tanky, have good archery skills and after they run out of arrows they start slaughtering everyone with their glaves.

I am playing as a serais and for the life of me I don't know what to do. I tried the javelin guys but the khan's are so fast that they are able to dodge most javelins.

I feel they are overpowered but I'm new to the game so I don't know.

Anyone has a good strategy to counter Khan's guard spam with aserai?

khan guard is the only tier 6 missile Calvary in the game so theyre really tough. you can get the imperial catapracht which has the highest Armour cavalry or you can go mass missle/legionaary circle wall formation to protect them and wear them down. khan guard carries 18 arrows unlike the standard 25 to 30. just like the Romans did against the parthians hang your calvary in back let your units tank for a bit then go in for the charge if you go in immeidatly youll trade pretty even but since ai get cheats they will replenish much faster than you when your managing your own kingdom you cant trade even. i recomend keeping 30 percent of your army calvary, 30 percent archer rest infantry this will give you a balanced mix fighting every faction

[Warnoise]

Originally posted by Action Man:

I usually counter Khan's Guards with cavalry. If you're committed to Aserai Troops, send their cavalry at them, but give them the order to Hold Fire. Otherwise they'll try to ride around them and throw javelins, quickly getting disorganized and scattered. Khan's Guards are probably going to win in that scenario.

Or fight them in places where their mounts aren't as effective. If they're chasing you, lure them to villages to fight there. Best way is in a siege, because nobody gets mounts.

If you're open to recruiting other faction troops, Imperial Cataphracts, Vlandian Banner Knights, or Sturgian Druzhinnick Champions are options.

I tried with cavalry. 1 khuzait guard soloed 4 tier 5 camel riders..

[Warnoise]

Originally posted by LOLwhat2:

Originally posted by Warnoise:

So I am fighting the khuzait and their army is running around with 180+ Khan's guard.

They absolutely murder everything. They are very fast, tanky, have good archery skills and after they run out of arrows they start slaughtering everyone with their glaves.

I am playing as a serais and for the life of me I don't know what to do. I tried the javelin guys but the khan's are so fast that they are able to dodge most javelins.

I feel they are overpowered but I'm new to the game so I don't know.

Anyone has a good strategy to counter Khan's guard spam with aserai?

khan guard is the only tier 6 missile Calvary in the game so theyre really tough. you can get the imperial catapracht which has the highest Armour cavalry or you can go mass missle/legionaary circle wall formation to protect them and wear them down. khan guard carries 18 arrows unlike the standard 25 to 30. just like the Romans did against the parthians hang your calvary in back let your units tank for a bit then go in for the charge if you go in immeidatly youll trade pretty even but since ai get cheats they will replenish much faster than you when your managing your own kingdom you cant trade even. i recomend keeping 30 percent of your army calvary, 30 percent archer rest infantry this will give you a balanced mix fighting every faction

I thought about that. Actually what bothers more than their arrows is that glaves. They literally one shot all my troops. Even my most armored Mameluke cavalry. Since I was playing aserai only I don't have cataphrats. I fought cataphrats and they are very strong but nowhere near the khan's guard

[Keijo]

If theres one really strong army with alot of elite troops I usually let them start a siege on a city and then go help defend, if there are 4 catapults the AI can't reach the walls.

After their armies are defeated and lords captured you can go on the offensive.

[LOLwhat2]

Originally posted by Warnoise:

So I am fighting the khuzait and their army is running around with 180+ Khan's guard.

They absolutely murder everything. They are very fast, tanky, have good archery skills and after they run out of arrows they start slaughtering everyone with their glaves.

I am playing as a serais and for the life of me I don't know what to do. I tried the javelin guys but the khan's are so fast that they are able to dodge most javelins.

I feel they are overpowered but I'm new to the game so I don't know.

Anyone has a good strategy to counter Khan's guard spam with aserai?

They may have a glave but just like aserai they have zero armour imperial heavy cataphrats beat them for 2 khan gaurd you can literally have almost 4 heavy cataphracht upkeep wise. Dont even try aserai only the battians/imperial/teal guys have the best troops of thier class

[Action Man]

Originally posted by Warnoise:

Originally posted by Action Man:

I usually counter Khan's Guards with cavalry. If you're committed to Aserai Troops, send their cavalry at them, but give them the order to Hold Fire. Otherwise they'll try to ride around them and throw javelins, quickly getting disorganized and scattered. Khan's Guards are probably going to win in that scenario.

Or fight them in places where their mounts aren't as effective. If they're chasing you, lure them to villages to fight there. Best way is in a siege, because nobody gets mounts.

If you're open to recruiting other faction troops, Imperial Cataphracts, Vlandian Banner Knights, or Sturgian Druzhinnick Champions are options.

I tried with cavalry. 1 khuzait guard soloed 4 tier 5 camel riders..

Camel Riders are none of the 3 options I mentioned. Generally mercenaries suck. They have worse gear and worse troops. They're fine for the AI to use in auto calculation, but you should stick with actual soldiers.

[The Mau Corporation]

Khans Guard weakness is their need to flank on your left. Setup a shieldwall to catch arrowfire and another shieldwall to close on them when they circle the first. If you get it right theyll get stuck between two flanks and fall apart once a few riders get taken out. Rest of the mob wont be able to move. Infantry wins. Job done.
Works even better with a line of ranged troops to kill any immobile cav.

[flyingscot1066]

If you are insisting on only using Aserai troops (makes Lezalit sad) then what you can do is have a 70/30 split of Infantry and regular archers, form them both into the Circle formation, with the archers inside the infantry. Infantry shields will absorb a LOT of arrows, and foot archers are much more accurate than mounted archers.

[McFuzz]

I just lost to these guys, 700 horsies v 900 sturgians, because they had actually 500 horse archers. Whole fight was me with my great axe in the middle of a sea of horses swinging left and right while the screen fills with red team deaths until i got glaive flanked 50 kills deep. Horse guys are so silly lol

[Dropdead]

Infantry in square formation with yourf cavalry staying on the horse archer's dead angle AND pray to the great ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Buddah in the sky that you kill more of them than they do you.
Otherwise, might just be a good idea to simply accept your fate and surrender to the mighty golden horde.

Good luck & God speed.

[kharille]

Just a suggestion off the top of my head. Can you move to mountainous or forested locations when you fight them? The forests should break them up, and running up a mountain would slow their speed and reduce their mobility.

Used to use swadian knights a lot, but they'd get shot up by Rhodoks when I was in a hilly map, the computer would move their units onto a hill and wait for my charge.

Just had another thought. Perhaps you could stand near a village? If the fight takes place in a village they'd lose all their advantages if they can't charge around.

[boiling pie]

I usually try to sandwich them between my to cavalry units. I divide my cav into two units and place them on both flanks. Since the horse archers always come on the left flank, I led my left flank hang back and wait until the horse archers are close. Then I cut off their retreat by leading my right flank cav unit diagonally across the battlefield behind them and then order both cav units to charge.
This tactic requires that you have enough cav, and that the rest of the Khusait army hangs back.

[Ϩ Tython]

Depends on your troop composition. If you're lacking in Cavalry Khan will always seem like a pain in your ass. Get at least 15 top tier Cavalry and that should mitigate any dive attacks from 30-50 enemy cavs(Base troop amount must be 100+). Any more than that then you will have to use your environment to choke cav down a certain way. back against a cliff or wall, thick tree coverage.
If you have a lot of infantry and range, keep them close to each other ( I like to put infantry slightly in front, off centre of range with my cav on the other side of range, this prevents lateral clashing).
In a battle situation where enemy cav outnumber mine, I pull back to the furthest corner of MY SIDE of the map, I want to make their infantry walk a while as im using my range to cut down enemy cav. NEVER CHASE. they will always draw you into their range.

TLDR; Picking a choke point or highest point on the map will always better than chasing their cav around the map.

[kristianjakob]

Originally posted by Warnoise:

Anyone has a good strategy to counter Khan's guard spam with aserai?

Decide that you are actually a Battanian Aserai by heart;)