Herd Effect

[dichebach]

Did this get adjusted at some point to be more punitive? My understanding from older discussions was: 1 riding horse per foot soldier + 1 pack horse per foot soldier was about the limit before one got into "herd" effect territory.

I presently have a total party size of 37 including my character and no companions. I am on horse back.

There are 6 Cavalry; 17 Infantry; 14 Archers. That is a total of 31 "foot soldiers" right?

In addition to the horse I ride, I have: 30 saddle horses and 10 work horses.

Nonetheless, my "herd" effect shows as -0.11

Couple possible explanations I can think of:

1. Three of my "Infantry" are Vigla Recruits (the noble Tier 2 Empire recruits that upgrade into cavalry at Tier 3), and maybe the game considers them to be "cavalry" with respect to herd calculations even though they count as infantry as far as troop counts go? (I counted the number of archers and yes, there really are 14, so the game IS in fact counting the Viglas as "Infantry" when it comes to the troop tallies).

2. TaleWorlds made the herd effect more punitive and the "1 riding horse per foot soldier + 1 pack horse per foot soldier" limit is less than it used to be?

[Clovis Sangrail]

Additional research --

I added a foot soldier, so now I have 200 total troops -- 82 foot and 118 mounted. This would allow me to have 200 T0 animals and 82 T1 mounts to get no herd penalty and 'Footmen on horse' bonus of .31. I set this up using 200 T0 sumpters and 82 T1 Nahawashi horses.

Then I substituted 25 T2 Darshi Horse war mounts for 25 of the Nahawashi.

And I still had no herd penalty and a 'Footmen on horse' bonus of .31. No change.

And same result if I used 25 T3 Revyl Chaser war mounts. Or if I use 25 25 T3 Revyl Chaser war mounts, 25 T2 Darshi Horse war mounts, and 32 T1 Nahawashi.

So it looks like footmen can ride war mounts. Or at least T2 and T3 war mounts.

Final distribution -- 200 T0 sumpters, 25 25 T3 Revyl Chaser war mounts, 25 T2 Darshi Horse war mounts, and 32 T1 Nahawashi. Result -- no herd penalty and 'Footmen on horse' bonus of .31. Cargo capacity is a healthy 40105, and I can make 5.7 through the forest in the day time if I dump my prisoners.

[dichebach]

Originally posted by Clovis Sangrail:

Saddle horses are T0, so you had 40 T0 horses, but only 37 troops. This gave you a small herd penalty.

Then you sold three, which gave you 37 T0 horses and 37 troops. Effect -- No herd penalty.

You probably also had no 'Footmen on horses' bonus because you had no T1 horses. You could add 31 T1 mounts for your footmen to ride. These would also increase your cargo capacity.

Holy crap! Today I learned horses have Tiers!

Thanks bro

[Clovis Sangrail]

Originally posted by dichebach:

Originally posted by Clovis Sangrail:

Saddle horses are T0, so you had 40 T0 horses, but only 37 troops. This gave you a small herd penalty.

Then you sold three, which gave you 37 T0 horses and 37 troops. Effect -- No herd penalty.

You probably also had no 'Footmen on horses' bonus because you had no T1 horses. You could add 31 T1 mounts for your footmen to ride. These would also increase your cargo capacity.

Holy crap! Today I learned horses have Tiers!

Thanks bro

I didn't know they had tiers either until I started digging into this thread.

Now go forth and make your optimum herd -- (X + Y) T0 horses/mules+ X T1 or better horses= optimum number of horses in your herd.

[ScotIsz]

Originally posted by Mad★Paladin:

jesus is right!

True

[Cuce]

each troop can "carry" one animal, but also mount one if they are not mounted troops. 20 cavalry and 50 infantry can have 70 pigs and 50 steppe horses before having any penalty.

[Clovis Sangrail]

Originally posted by Cuce:

each troop can "carry" one animal, but also mount one if they are not mounted troops. 20 cavalry and 50 infantry can have 70 pigs and 50 steppe horses before having any penalty.

That was true a year ago when I wrote all of that, and it is still true today.