Khuzait Units are the Best Change my mind.

[Chet Manley]

i had 40 darkhans and 120 Khans guards who beat a 1100 man army that sallied out while i was in the middle of waiting for the army i had just called to arrive. I figured id take out as many as possible instead of running as i could just save scrub if needed. The map was a narrow valley terrible for cav. but my units killed all 1100 and i only lost 20 men. granted the army was mostly lower level troops but most were at least rank 2. but even then it was 120 charging about 880 men no matter the rank at the start. ive only ever had this happen while defending sieges on warband.

[Edmund Greyfox]

I can do the same thing OP says he did with a balanced Empire army that's 40% infantry/30% archers, 20% cataphracts and 10% bucellari. Beating the AI at high odds isn't all that hard if you fight defensively and know how to use short counter charges, no matter what army mix you're running. Just hold your position, beat up the initial attack, and mop up all their reinforcements as they dribble forward into your shield wall.

Personal opinion is that every army in the game is viable in just about any situation, which is a nice change from warband where half the factions were terrible and an army of nothing but swadian knights was an "I win" button.

[Silhouette]

I do like my Khans guard troops, good with archery and in the chaos of open field engagements are able to use their glaives well, and can do decently in sieges with rapid firing bows. Half my early game starts I'll run a pack of 50-60 exclusively of them just for the map movement speed, and fairly reliable kill ratios in wars. And I also did decently well in a couple runs where I started with only massed khuzait t4 infantry, fairly cheap and easy to mass up on. Aside from only working as a support company to the other nobles in battles however, their effectiveness did fall off quite drastically against heavy sturgian infantry and in sieges. I do love those 2 units for those pros, and most any unit will be close to similarly effective when used right, imo.

I'm very partial to my Faris. Heavily armored javelin throwing cavalry that can take cataphracts toe to toe

[Chet Manley]

Clovis Sangrail の投稿を引用：

GrudgeBringer64209 の投稿を引用：

Battanians get rolled against khans guard. i have tested it 10 times. also take your nerd glasses off and touch a girl bro. you came here looking for an argument in steam discussions. thats like the most disgusting thing you can do.

You are the one who came here with that chip-on-your-shoulder, aggressive "change my mind" attitude. I merely responded to it in kind.

In other words, in middle school parlance -- "You started it."

lmao stay delusional mr ego miester. your the only one here acting like a child. the fact anyone could see a steam discussion and come in with the energy you had just shows how miserable you are. you saw "khuzaits are the best units change my mind" and thought "omg this guys such a arrogant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ let me put him in his place". the type of person it takes to do that isnt a stable minded one. its one thats clearly hurting and going out of his way to hate something more than himself. if you have nothing to add but middle school maturity then im done with you. i wont be responding past this regardless. i hope you get help your clealry crying out for my guy have a good one

[Chet Manley]

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Clovis Sangrail の投稿を引用：

You are the one who came here with that chip-on-your-shoulder, aggressive "change my mind" attitude. I merely responded to it in kind.

In other words, in middle school parlance -- "You started it."

Oh my god you're insufferable.

he really is, this guy has been in here with a damaged ego and a self esteem issue since the beginning. i cant believe some people really come on here to argue like its instagram

[Chet Manley]

Yasahi の投稿を引用：

GrudgeBringer64209 の投稿を引用：

yeah run a test battle and se how it goes. khuzait khans guards beat anything almost everytime no matter the tactic. ive done valley battles. flat fields. stood in water so the horses couldnt melee or sprint. bridge battled. nothing beats khans guards. if you can outnumber them by like 3 times with equal units then maybe but other than that khuzaits win.

I doubt it. In a bridge battle any heavy infantry in proper shieldwall formation blocking the bridge would outlast them. The arrows will do nothing and the shieldwall will grind them to a pulp once the discount "shock cavalry" charges in.

Sturgian Heavy Spearmen in four different square formations that are close to each other in a large square will just sit there all day in open maps, take all the shots to their shields and then murder the pesky horse archers when they try to charge the formations.

Put a circle of Vlandian Sharpshooters or Battanian Fian Champions in the middle with those four squares protecting it for some extra firepower.

Infantry properly used is king in this game. Deep squares stop cavalry charges and since cavalry AI is so bad, they'll get stuck and overwhelmed in melee whereas large shields and formations that use them will keep infantry alive until archers run out of arrows.

spears unless your on horseback or throwing them are useless in this game the axemen are better. also...
... YOU DOUBT IT?!?!?!?!? bro im not theorizing im telling you. i have tested it about 10 times against each nation playing as the khuzaits AND playing as the other nation. (so not exactly 20 but somewhere around 20 times per nation fighting on both sides) their glaive doesnt care about shields and shields can only take so many arrows. i have tried literally everything that isnt an obvious defeat for the khans. now im not saying they are undefeatable because i bet on the right map and with the right troops and tactics it would be an easy win. all im saying is they are the best unit all around. Khans guards are literally archers, infantry(if dismounted aka a waste of cav), and cav. they're the literal definition of versatile

[Chet Manley]

Clovis Sangrail の投稿を引用：

Davaeorn の投稿を引用：

Oh my god you're insufferable.

But I'm right. Which is probably insufferable from your standpoint.

Change my mind.

But to get back on topic -- I'm partial to Sturgian Hardened Brigands and Horse Raiders. I think they look extra cool circling enemy troops hurling their javelins. But they are T4 and T5, so how do I compare to T6 Khuzait units?

yeah your right if your a delusional ego miester who argues for the validation his parents never gave him. its not that hard to just work on your mental instead of taking it out on others and embarrassing yourself. other people might not but i carea bout you bro you matter. you don't need to be toxic online for attention you need some friends or a girlfriend so that you stop hating yourself enough to have to find people to hate more.

[Chet Manley]

Clovis Sangrail の投稿を引用：

GrudgeBringer64209 の投稿を引用：

Battanians get rolled against khans guard. i have tested it 10 times. also take your nerd glasses off and touch a girl bro. you came here looking for an argument in steam discussions. thats like the most disgusting thing you can do.

You are the one who came here with that chip-on-your-shoulder, aggressive "change my mind" attitude. I merely responded to it in kind.

In other words, in middle school parlance -- "You started it."

also i said change my mind. meaning im willing to have a discussion about it. in other words your like one of those feminists who ignores what a person says and adds their own meaning to it so they can "win" the argument even though nobodys a winner of any online argument.

[Rhapsody]

Keep slamming inapplicable playing cards like that on the table and you'll either break the table or run out of cards.

[Clovis Sangrail]

GrudgeBringer64209 の投稿を引用：

Clovis Sangrail の投稿を引用：

But I'm right. Which is probably insufferable from your standpoint.

Change my mind.

But to get back on topic -- I'm partial to Sturgian Hardened Brigands and Horse Raiders. I think they look extra cool circling enemy troops hurling their javelins. But they are T4 and T5, so how do I compare to T6 Khuzait units?

yeah your right if your a delusional ego miester who argues for the validation his parents never gave him. its not that hard to just work on your mental instead of taking it out on others and embarrassing yourself. other people might not but i carea bout you bro you matter. you don't need to be toxic online for attention you need some friends or a girlfriend so that you stop hating yourself enough to have to find people to hate more.

Little dude's wound kind of tight, isn't he? Can't you just picture the veins popping out on his forehead?

All I wanted to know was how to compare T5 Sturgian Horse Raiders to T6 Khuzat horse archers.

[Captainbeastfeast (Rat-ee-JiK)]

OP: no i won't because you're not wrong. That said they don't do as well in seiges in my experience because their best units are cavalry.

[Chet Manley]

Captainbeastfeast (Rat-ee-JiK) の投稿を引用：

OP: no i won't because you're not wrong. That said they don't do as well in seiges in my experience because their best units are cavalry.

oh we are in fully agreement then.

[Chet Manley]

Clovis Sangrail の投稿を引用：

GrudgeBringer64209 の投稿を引用：

yeah your right if your a delusional ego miester who argues for the validation his parents never gave him. its not that hard to just work on your mental instead of taking it out on others and embarrassing yourself. other people might not but i carea bout you bro you matter. you don't need to be toxic online for attention you need some friends or a girlfriend so that you stop hating yourself enough to have to find people to hate more.

Little dude's wound kind of tight, isn't he? Can't you just picture the veins popping out on his forehead?

All I wanted to know was how to compare T5 Sturgian Horse Raiders to T6 Khuzat horse archers.

well even if those horse raiders out number them 2 to 1 the khans guard will probably win. i havent tested each specific comp of troops yet i usually do the 1 from the top units outnumbering the khans about 2.5 to 1 or more.

[𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀]

They are strong.

[Hasbulat]

𝔗𝔢𝔞 ❀ の投稿を引用：

They are strong.

They are strong!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-eD9RDtgRM&t=111s

[Wizard of Woz]

GrudgeBringer64209 の投稿を引用：

Wizard of Woz の投稿を引用：

Grudge you remind me of Trump, the more you talk the dumber you sound.

you remind me of someone with an attention seeking issue because nobody asked that. go to therapy, make friends, or get a girlfriend if mommy and daddy didnt or arent giving you enough attention.

Way to double down on my point. Thanks for the laugh!