Khuzait Units are the Best Change my mind.

[Chet Manley]

i had 40 darkhans and 120 Khans guards who beat a 1100 man army that sallied out while i was in the middle of waiting for the army i had just called to arrive. I figured id take out as many as possible instead of running as i could just save scrub if needed. The map was a narrow valley terrible for cav. but my units killed all 1100 and i only lost 20 men. granted the army was mostly lower level troops but most were at least rank 2. but even then it was 120 charging about 880 men no matter the rank at the start. ive only ever had this happen while defending sieges on warband.

[Larus]

The thing is that balance depends a lot on army size and match-up. Horse archers are the best when they can outmaneuver their enemy, but have 200+ khan guards fight 200+ elite cataphracts and they'll get stuck in a horse blob and murdered. Yet the same cataphracts wouldn't do as well against a horde of intantry, they would get stuck in melee and killed. At least until you reached a critical ratio of infantry vs heavy cavalry. Eventually the constant horse charges prevent the infantry from fighting back.

[Clovis Sangrail]

Originally posted by GrudgeBringer64209:

Khuzait Units are the Best Change my mind.

Change your mind?

I don't even care what you think.

[Chet Manley]

Originally posted by Clovis Sangrail:

Originally posted by GrudgeBringer64209:

Khuzait Units are the Best Change my mind.

Change your mind?

I don't even care what you think.

then dont comment mr ego miester

[~ Fabulous ~]

mkay then just use them? I still prefer aserai infantry because they are cheap and have jarrids that can 1 shot anything those khuzaits troops are expensive to maintain and ♥♥♥♥ tier in seige

[Clovis Sangrail]

Originally posted by GrudgeBringer64209:

Originally posted by Clovis Sangrail:

Change your mind?

I don't even care what you think.

then dont comment mr ego miester

When you post in a public forum as you did, you do not get to dictate who responds.

And I would take Sheepify's Battanians over your Khuzaitis any time.

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by Larus:

The thing is that balance depends a lot on army size and match-up. Horse archers are the best when they can outmaneuver their enemy, but have 200+ khan guards fight 200+ elite cataphracts and they'll get stuck in a horse blob and murdered. Yet the same cataphracts wouldn't do as well against a horde of intantry, they would get stuck in melee and killed. At least until you reached a critical ratio of infantry vs heavy cavalry. Eventually the constant horse charges prevent the infantry from fighting back.

i dont really agree, ive done a run with the elite cataphracts and one with the Khans guards where i only used that unit, and i played each for around 80 hours.

the guards outperformed cause they have a bow, yes. but in melee combat the cataphracts are actually better even from horse to ground. they have insanely heavy armor, a 115~ sword and do a hella ton of dmg with it. the khans guard has way worse armor and the polearm has way less swing speed, also its so long that they get problems hitting enemies if they are in a blop.

not even needing to talk about dismounted combat, they will destroy anything they will go up against, and their shields are a great protection for them too, aside of that they have 260 polearm skill so no matter what you use them against they will hurt and they will do that a lot.

having said all that the khans guard is overall better cause its a better alrounder, the cataphract has only 60 athletics and a really really heavy armor, so if you actually dismount them for example a siege, they will be really slow, while the khans guards have a good speed. also the khans guard has a bow and like 260 bow skill, meaning stuff like a siege will look very diffrent if you take them, overall are arrows just really strong and if that unit then is also great in melee thats awesome, but still the cataphracts destroy anything if they actually get in melee combat with it

[Sudo]

Im also a big fan of khan's guards since i like to roleplay female Genghis khan, but i agree with some of the posters here, your horse archers are good until they get stuck in blobs, I suppose you can dismount them and have them fight with their glaives which are pretty good, but they don't have the same survivability. Main problem though is that the current game is really stacked in favor of ranged, since it doesnt matter if you have a guy running at you in full chainmail, if you can shoot them down before they get to you, and thats where horse archers shine being able to do the long engagement and then dealing a one hit kill with glaive.

[Chet Manley]

Originally posted by Clovis Sangrail:

Originally posted by GrudgeBringer64209:

then dont comment mr ego miester

When you post in a public forum as you did, you do not get to dictate who responds.

And I would take Sheepify's Battanians over your Khuzaitis any time.

Battanians get rolled against khans guard. i have tested it 10 times. also take your nerd glasses off and touch a girl bro. you came here looking for an argument in steam discussions. thats like the most disgusting thing you can do.

[Chet Manley]

Originally posted by Underestimated:

Originally posted by Larus:

The thing is that balance depends a lot on army size and match-up. Horse archers are the best when they can outmaneuver their enemy, but have 200+ khan guards fight 200+ elite cataphracts and they'll get stuck in a horse blob and murdered. Yet the same cataphracts wouldn't do as well against a horde of intantry, they would get stuck in melee and killed. At least until you reached a critical ratio of infantry vs heavy cavalry. Eventually the constant horse charges prevent the infantry from fighting back.

i dont really agree, ive done a run with the elite cataphracts and one with the Khans guards where i only used that unit, and i played each for around 80 hours.

the guards outperformed cause they have a bow, yes. but in melee combat the cataphracts are actually better even from horse to ground. they have insanely heavy armor, a 115~ sword and do a hella ton of dmg with it. the khans guard has way worse armor and the polearm has way less swing speed, also its so long that they get problems hitting enemies if they are in a blop.

not even needing to talk about dismounted combat, they will destroy anything they will go up against, and their shields are a great protection for them too, aside of that they have 260 polearm skill so no matter what you use them against they will hurt and they will do that a lot.

having said all that the khans guard is overall better cause its a better alrounder, the cataphract has only 60 athletics and a really really heavy armor, so if you actually dismount them for example a siege, they will be really slow, while the khans guards have a good speed. also the khans guard has a bow and like 260 bow skill, meaning stuff like a siege will look very diffrent if you take them, overall are arrows just really strong and if that unit then is also great in melee thats awesome, but still the cataphracts destroy anything if they actually get in melee combat with it

sorry but Khans guard beats them all day. ran about 12 test battles. even if i tell the horse archers to hold fire. also no offense but dismounting cavalry isnt the dumbest thing you can do. ruins the whole point of having a horse to begin with. the glaive cant be beat.

[Chet Manley]

Originally posted by ~ Fabulous ~:

mkay then just use them? I still prefer aserai infantry because they are cheap and have jarrids that can 1 shot anything those khuzaits troops are expensive to maintain and ♥♥♥♥ tier in seige

yeah run a test battle and se how it goes. khuzait khans guards beat anything almost everytime no matter the tactic. ive done valley battles. flat fields. stood in water so the horses couldnt melee or sprint. bridge battled. nothing beats khans guards. if you can outnumber them by like 3 times with equal units then maybe but other than that khuzaits win.

[Chet Manley]

Originally posted by Sheepify:

For that same price I could get a horde of Battanian skirmishers that'd cream your entire force twice over.

yeah in the 10 battles ive ran every country v just khans guards (200 khans 800 enemys) the khans won. everytime. battanian champion fians were the only ones to come close.

[Clovis Sangrail]

Originally posted by GrudgeBringer64209:

Originally posted by Clovis Sangrail:

When you post in a public forum as you did, you do not get to dictate who responds.

And I would take Sheepify's Battanians over your Khuzaitis any time.

Battanians get rolled against khans guard. i have tested it 10 times. also take your nerd glasses off and touch a girl bro. you came here looking for an argument in steam discussions. thats like the most disgusting thing you can do.

You are the one who came here with that chip-on-your-shoulder, aggressive "change my mind" attitude. I merely responded to it in kind.

In other words, in middle school parlance -- "You started it."

[LockeCasual]

I agree, especially with the game as it is, with tactics not always being reliable. A swarm of horse archers certainly helps fight ...swarms of horse archers.

Be careful you do not become the very monster you seek to slay xD

And yea Kahns Guard are epic. This culture is underrated in the game, as it is destined to conquer everyone

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by GrudgeBringer64209:

well yeah they beat them cause thats hard counter, i was more talking about if you only go with 1 unit against whatever the AI can throw at you, the khans guards get into problems sometimes when its like 500vs2000. while the cataphracts still deal with that. if we talk about who wins fights against each other yeah the khans guard wins

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by LockeCasual:

And yea Kahns Guard are epic. This culture is underrated in the game, as it is destined to conquer everyone

Aye, but if we're looking at mere troops, I'd throw it in with Battanian warriors as well. Not having proper cavalry sucks, but so does not having competitive infantry. Khuzait troops make for the worst garrisons.

Fortunately I don't need to change anyone's mind on this, or even make my own mind, since I'm always going to choose Aserai troops anyway. It's just a matter of preference for most part and figuring out what kind of tactics work best with different forces.