Clan roles - why?

[Claytonium]

If I want my character to get as many perks as possible across all skills, why would I ever assign a clan role to anybody else? Is there any benefit in not allowing my character to level up in scouting, or engineering, or surgeon?

[['w']]

guess that "surgeon", "quartermaster", "scout", "engineer" if those are named in the perk text they are necessary or the bonus won't apply

[Grizzly]

to invest that skill points else were? its a waste if you take them just to get more XP. instead investing them into other skills is way better. i only do clan roles cause some stuff is party leader only... some of the best stuff so, but it makes sense to not take them.

why do you want to get that level if one of the guys in your party can do the job too? the only reason i do it is for the medicine 275 skill, if that wouldnt be there for player only i would never do the clan roles myself

id never do scouting myself, complete waste of points for the player imo.

[kristianjakob]

Partly because there are other skills you can invest in, that your companions cannot, and partly because the companions come with better skills in those roles early, where they matter more.

Since the inital releash I have only ever taken party roles on my own char once (current campaign) and I regret that;)

[Claytonium]

I'm missing something critical here... maybe I'm dumb.

If I don't assign a clan engineer (so that makes my character the engineer) then I gain levels in engineering whenever there is a seige. Does gaining exp and perks in engineering reduce the total number of levels in other skills I could have gotten? Is there any downside to getting your character to level up in all skills?

Now, I do understand that if you need an engineer at the start of the game, you can just use a companion for one and have high engineering skills early on. But shouldn't you try to get your main character maxed out in every skill?

[t]

because i don't want all my attribute points in Intelligence nor do i want to spend all my focus points on steward, medicine, engineering, and scouting.
Plus companions start with a much higher level in those skills then you do, and the early game is where they are most beneficial.

[['w']]

Ah okay sure, by focusing and building you attributes you receive a xp multiplier which allows you to learn those perks faster

The xp for your char is not depended on them, you will reach the next level maybe faster but soon will be stuck in those skill you haven't invested.

Focus 0-- 1---2---3----4-----5
------- --- --- --- --- --- ---
1 Attr 4 / 44 / 84 / 124 / 144 / 184
2 Attr 18 / 58 / 98 / 138 / 178 / 218
3 Attr 32 / 72 / 112 / 152 / 192 / 232
4 Attr 46 / 86 / 126 / 166 / 206 / 246
5 Attr 60 / 100 / 140 / 180 / 220 / 260
6 Attr 74 / 114 / 154 / 194 / 234 / 274
7 Attr 88 / 128 / 168 / 208 / 248 / 288
8 Attr 102 / 142 / 182 / 222 / 262 / 302
9 Attr 116 / 156 / 196 / 236 / 276 / 316
10 Attr 130 / 170 / 210 / 250 / 290 / 330

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by Claytonium:

I'm missing something critical here... maybe I'm dumb.

If I don't assign a clan engineer (so that makes my character the engineer) then I gain levels in engineering whenever there is a seige. Does gaining exp and perks in engineering reduce the total number of levels in other skills I could have gotten? Is there any downside to getting your character to level up in all skills?

Now, I do understand that if you need an engineer at the start of the game, you can just use a companion for one and have high engineering skills early on. But shouldn't you try to get your main character maxed out in every skill?

you could get character XP for engineering yes, but it wont be so much that this would be worth it to just give the attr and focus points into that for this, or to not have a great level in that skill.

also getting all skills is super unrealistic, you can get like 2 attr trees to 7 and another to 5 without a problem, meaning with some more time investment 7 in 3 or 10 in 2 is possible, but getting all trees to 10 is far far far away from reality.

[God of Snacks]

I don't know if it's expected for one character to get maxed skills in this game. You'd have to download mods... probably? I haven't played around enough with the trainers yet to see if using them you can reach max skills. I usually have my played character be all the roles until they hit cap with whatever skill then I assign it to someone else so they can train up their skill.

[LockeCasual]

For optimization/specialization. If you've got an Engineer, who you plan to always be in your army, then you don't need to put any efforts into that, and can instead put priority elsewhere. Yeah, it sucks if you plan to lead your army solo, or to have all your companions eventually retire as governors. I really like the option bc sometimes I have a followers who can save me a few denars each day as quartermaster, or who can lay siege a little faster than I can during a pressing war, as engineer. Also, it can help you train future army leaders to scout better, if you put them as Scout for a while, when they're in your army.

[Claytonium]

Ohhhhhhhh.

Ok, so in order to max perks from a skill, you need to max that specific attribute stat and focus points. And attribute stats and focus points become more and more difficult to increase the higher level your character is. So if you can have another character be an engineer, for example, you should, because it allows you to increase attribute points and focus points to other stats.

In other words, you can never max out all skills, so let followers max some of them so you can cover the rest. Is that more or less correct?

[LockeCasual]

I dunno for sure, and I'm clueless to the game's coding, but I think it works something like that. If a companion is doing work, you do less work, so you can focus harder on other skills. I thought the focus points kinda hinted that this is how it works. Not sure tho 100%

So like, to make the best swordsman possible, you'd need party members covering these other jobs so you can completely focus on the blade. It makes sense in my head, bc I am bad at the actual math.

[Silhouette]

It depends on how you want to spend your focus points, bottom line there aren't enough to go around to get your character maxed in all skills. You can max out in the clan party role skills, but your gonna have to give up levels in other skills. And odds are depending on your playstyle you might end up using one of the party skills as a stat dump, so if you do it yourself your not gonna get many benefits.

Its still every possible to get 275+ in a couple combat skills, riding athletics, in party role skills, etc, so picking and choosing which skill to have a party member specialize in only makes the rest of you stronger, although some of the party role end perks can only be picked by your character.

The benefit to not letting someone else perform a role is that your personal character gets Level xp whenever any skill is used not assigned to anyone else, even if that particular skill is already maxed. So even if your engineering skill is capped at at 40, using the engineer skill still gives character xp towards a new level. However its going to end up being a very small benefit to hoard that xp in the long run per skill. Highest character level I've gotten was 43 with an engineer and scout picked out from the get go, I might have missed out on a couple of levels. But I'd say the benefits from having those roles performed by someone with high skills and caps in them was worth much much more then that level or 2.

[Kernest]

Originally posted by Claytonium:

Ohhhhhhhh.
In other words, you can never max out all skills, so let followers max some of them so you can cover the rest. Is that more or less correct?

Yes, and if you take a look at the table wilb posted:

Originally posted by wilb 🐈🍷♫💤:

Focus 0-- 1---2---3----4-----5
------- --- --- --- --- --- ---
1 Attr 4 / 44 / 84 / 124 / 144 / 184
2 Attr 18 / 58 / 98 / 138 / 178 / 218
3 Attr 32 / 72 / 112 / 152 / 192 / 232
4 Attr 46 / 86 / 126 / 166 / 206 / 246
5 Attr 60 / 100 / 140 / 180 / 220 / 260
6 Attr 74 / 114 / 154 / 194 / 234 / 274
7 Attr 88 / 128 / 168 / 208 / 248 / 288
8 Attr 102 / 142 / 182 / 222 / 262 / 302
9 Attr 116 / 156 / 196 / 236 / 276 / 316
10 Attr 130 / 170 / 210 / 250 / 290 / 330

You can see the maximum skill you'll ever reach with X number of stat and Y number of focus points.

[Claytonium]

Wow, thanks, guys. I think I screwed over my current character. I'll start a new one with better skills selected from the beginning.

[redhongkong]

when u are trying to train ur favor captain with 25 heal skill, u assign him to be the healer XD

or when u trying to get 2nd party leader with no steward skill at all, get 25 skills for him would helps

or if u are making a fighter type leader, u just wanna get companion to do all the side job.