To those wondering if you should go 1h+shield...

[Lycon]

NO, dont do it, you do ZERO damage in big battles, I was just in my first siege with one of the best swords (from ira) with 160 1h skill doing 14-25 dmg to decent troops lmao. Its a joke, if I had a 2 handed axe I would have survived.... I just got overwhelmed by doing ♥♥♥♥ dmg. So if youre wondering between 2h and 1h+shield? Do yourself a big favor and go for a giant 2h axe!

[Silhouette]

Hm, Every weapon type has its perfect situation. A little one handed mace/billhook + shield works wonders in siege towers and bandit hideouts, spears if your gonna be on foot chasing down the cavalry remnants of big battles. But the cleave and insta kill of the 2handed weapons especially against grouped up AI is just satisfying and worthwhile. Can even make a 2handed mace/morningstar real early for just a bit of wood that cleaves and does piercing damage and lets you take out heavy cav off the bat.

Think the benefits on 1handed are in the perks as a party leader/captain. Always felt its a bit of a shame that I can't take my axes and maces into town though. Axes at least.

And just to chime in, historically spears were a common weapon especially for infantry and troops as It doesn't take much to make one, alot less metal for a single spear head then a sword. And when the staff breaks to just replace it easily, less maintenance.

[Lycon]

Originally posted by Silhouette:

Hm, Every weapon type has its perfect situation. A little one handed mace/billhook + shield works wonders in siege towers and bandit hideouts, spears if your gonna be on foot chasing down the cavalry remnants of big battles. But the cleave and insta kill of the 2handed weapons especially against grouped up AI is just satisfying and worthwhile. Can even make a 2handed mace/morningstar real early for just a bit of wood that cleaves and does piercing damage and lets you take out heavy cav off the bat.

Think the benefits on 1handed are in the perks as a party leader/captain. Always felt its a bit of a shame that I can't take my axes and maces into town though. Axes at least.

And just to chime in, historically spears were a common weapon especially for infantry and troops as It doesn't take much to make one, alot less metal for a single spear head then a sword. And when the staff breaks to just replace it easily, less maintenance.

do maces cleave as well? I thought it was just axes, going to try a maxe!

[t]

When you play on realistic difficulty you ideally always want a shield. One arrow or javelin to the face is enough to 1 hit KO you in the beginning, and even in the late game sometimes.
I pretty much always have a shield and side arm regardless of what character I am playing. Archer, pole arm, two handed, doesn't matter.

[Urmel]

mount & blade always was more mount & bow, bannerlord is no different.
meele is very dangerous even with a shild.

the big advantage of any 2h is range-weapon + 2 stacks of ammo. so you can shoot very long till out of ammo and then go in meele with fast kills against weak units.

you command a party of 300+ units or a army with 1000+ units. you should not focus on fighting, more commanding and leading your soldiers. the "party-support-skills" are better then the fighting skills. you can play "warrior"-mainchar, but its not that effective.

[Urmel]

but not everybody is that good in fighting. you are a exception and not the ordinary.

i mostly smash the auto-battle and dont want fight all battles myself. for this fights tactic, medic and whatever skills is better. they improve automatic with the time.

you dont need to have smashing 5 mio heads to get a high skill like weapon-skills.

[MaGicBush]

Originally posted by Sheepify:

Originally posted by Urmel:

but not everybody is that good in fighting. you are a exception and not the ordinary.

If my arthritic fingers and near-senile-reflexes allow that kind of results, there's no excuse for anyone, really.

I mean, honestly, what else does this game offer in terms of actual gameplay. It's battles all the way down, might as well participate in them in some meaningful way.

Yea I tend to get most kills in my army easily. It's not hard either, and there is not a lot of tactics involved and that is honestly my biggest gripe with Bannerlord. I wish they improved the AI enough to actually use a small amount of tactics, but they literally just run at your army every battle full speed. Your allies will do the same, and it's so lame.

Don't get me wrong I like building up my army, and a kingdom, but that's all done through combat. So skipping combat does seem odd to me, but to each his own and all of that!

[Silhouette]

Originally posted by Lycon:

Originally posted by Silhouette:

Hm, Every weapon type has its perfect situation. A little one handed mace/billhook + shield works wonders in siege towers and bandit hideouts, spears if your gonna be on foot chasing down the cavalry remnants of big battles. But the cleave and insta kill of the 2handed weapons especially against grouped up AI is just satisfying and worthwhile. Can even make a 2handed mace/morningstar real early for just a bit of wood that cleaves and does piercing damage and lets you take out heavy cav off the bat.

Think the benefits on 1handed are in the perks as a party leader/captain. Always felt its a bit of a shame that I can't take my axes and maces into town though. Axes at least.

And just to chime in, historically spears were a common weapon especially for infantry and troops as It doesn't take much to make one, alot less metal for a single spear head then a sword. And when the staff breaks to just replace it easily, less maintenance.

do maces cleave as well? I thought it was just axes, going to try a maxe!

Yup, I know at least some 2 handed maces cleave. The sledgehammer is a civvy weapon, does wonders in clearing out gang zones. And does knockdown, too. Bit of a giggle knocking over 3 baddies at once. Compared to axes though they got a slower swing speed. Ill make good quality 2handed maces for my mounted cav companions and family, Since they don't really take advantage of the speed factor but get caught up in the mass cavalry traffic jam, feel the maces ignoring armor helps against enemy heavy cav.

[Neme]

Originally posted by LockeCasual:

If you're gonna play as Conan or some other legendary hero, the two handed is the way to go xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWCJ_075nic

[kristianjakob]

Originally posted by Sheepify:

Originally posted by MaGicBush:

I wish they improved the AI enough to actually use a small amount of tactic

I'd settle for them improving the combat AI enough to actually react to the fact my YOLO character is taking down significant portion of their flank forces BEFORE both formations come into contact.

If you leave your troops stationary behind and attack enemy infantry line from the side, you'll have enemy troops reposition within that formation while completely ignoring getting axed by player character.

If you hit enemy ranged formation line at any point, all but the closest of them will happily ignore the kill-crazed maniac cutting down their fellows right next to them. Troops from other formations will not react, either, until you get really close to any of them.

FFS, you'd get better reaction from Warband enemies, with its much more simplistic implementation.

Nahh, the problem with Warband was that you could easily glue entire armies to you and just kite them.

In the absence of better alternatives than glue everyone to you or be largely ignored; the latter is the better implementation.

[Lycon]

Originally posted by Sheepify:

Originally posted by Urmel:

meele is very dangerous even with a shild.

Not with this quality of "combat difficulty":
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2887167285
Literally starting no-combat-skills character above, first tournament ever.

Some more of "combat difficulty" with another level 1 (well, she was before the tournament, heh). And yes, that's me winning naked with no combat skills against Empire's finest. No savescumming required, either, just knowing when to parry, when strike, and how to circlestrafe to victory:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2887328881
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2887329124
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2887329475

Originally posted by Urmel:

you command a party of 300+ units or a army with 1000+ units. you should not focus on fighting, more commanding and leading your soldiers. the "party-support-skills" are better then the fighting skills.

This isn't Total War. F1-F3 will carry you in any fight you are prepared for with the right mix of units.

If you feel the need to drag out battles even more with pointless maneuvering against braindead AI, that's your thing, but even Warband required more tactical acumen than is necessary in Bannerlord.

Originally posted by Urmel:

you can play "warrior"-mainchar, but its not that effective.

Myeah, tell that to my two-handed-axe character getting 100+ kills in army-on-army engagements against 600-700 enemies.

Doesn't hurt that most of those kills come from the ranged second line, while my infantry grinds theirs. So fewer troop casualties from pew-pew on top of massive e-peen.

Even in Warband multiplayer, with all the people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about archers, you could easily run around naked. I did for years, getting top scorecard spots as attacker in siege battles on GK Siege.

Make like Neo and dodge.

any tips on getting 100+ kills? I have a big axe but never gotten 100+ kills, Im usually on horse back swinging away.

[Urmel]

a defending siege is easy 100+ kills... with any defending siege weapon or range-weapon/bow

[Lycon]

Originally posted by Urmel:

a defending siege is easy 100+ kills... with any defending siege weapon or range-weapon/bow

oh yeah haha defending siege is tons of kills. But I thought he talked about just field battles getting 100+ kills.

[Urmel]

again, i think he is a very good (warrior)-player and/or experienced player.

you shouldnt compare yourself with his way to play the game.
thats a big good thing in bannerlord, you can play very different and be succesfull...