Mix frontline infantry question

[Magic]

I'm using emipirial legionary/knight +Battanian archer. However, while the legionary has good shiled/armor it seems that they are quite vulnerable against other frontline infantry with two-handed weapon. I tried to mix them with them two-handed weapon infantry but seems like they just stay behind the shield formation and do nothing. Do those units at the 3rd line of the formation acutually do anything? Or you need some longer weapons?

[BlackKatana]

Solution is simple use best infantry in the game, fian champion. There is no battle I can't win with them even horse archers feel like a joke.

Tip for using only archer unit; make two formation whenever enemy infantry get too close to one of them let them retreat.

[Magic]

Originally posted by BlackKatana:

Solution is simple use best infantry in the game, fian champion. There is no battle I can't win with them even horse archers feel like a joke.

Tip for using only archer unit; make two formation whenever enemy infantry get too close to one of them let them retreat.

Yeah I am using the fian champions. But I mean, in case of dealing with some decent shielded infantries, you cant just expect even the fian champions to deal with the shield, right? Right?

[BlackKatana]

Dude I expect fian champion to deal with banner knights even when Im outnumbered.. when you make two groups of archers and place them in good positions enemy infantry always get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by one group sometimes even by two groups because they just move by them and attack me.

[RJboxer]

Originally posted by magic:

Originally posted by BlackKatana:

Solution is simple use best infantry in the game, fian champion. There is no battle I can't win with them even horse archers feel like a joke.

Tip for using only archer unit; make two formation whenever enemy infantry get too close to one of them let them retreat.

Yeah I am using the fian champions. But I mean, in case of dealing with some decent shielded infantries, you cant just expect even the fian champions to deal with the shield, right? Right?

You are correct. He is wrong. It is noob theory from years ago "me fians wins all".

It was corrected YEARS ago. There has been many balancing changes since day 1. And FROM DAY !... they NEVER were the gods that new people or cheaters think they are.

They are great for Siege DEFENSE (enemy shields dont help much), .

But in open warfare (especially since OOB update) they get crushed... a lot....

That being said, In general archers are OP. They just aren't the "I WIN" button, people spout off about.

I tend to keep about 20% of my main party as Fians. just so when they hit champs, I can dump them in a town for defense.

They level pretty fast. They aren't bad, but they are expensive. Most people who play, have by now figured out how to make Cash a non-issue.

[BlackKatana]

Originally posted by RJboxer:

Originally posted by magic:

Yeah I am using the fian champions. But I mean, in case of dealing with some decent shielded infantries, you cant just expect even the fian champions to deal with the shield, right? Right?

You are correct. He is wrong. It is noob theory from years ago "me fians wins all".

It was corrected YEARS ago. There has been many balancing changes since day 1. And FROM DAY !... they NEVER were the gods that new people or cheaters think they are.

They are great for Siege DEFENSE (enemy shields dont help much), .

But in open warfare (especially since OOB update) they get crushed... a lot....

That being said, In general archers are OP. They just aren't the "I WIN" button, people spout off about.

I tend to keep about 20% of my main party as Fians. just so when they hit champs, I can dump them in a town for defense.

They level pretty fast. They aren't bad, but they are expensive. Most people who play, have by now figured out how to make Cash a non-issue.

Nope you are wrong, how come you have 3.5k on bannerlord and don't know how to use fians? I literally explained twice how to use them on my comments, shield infantry are slower than fians so they can't catch up to them especially if they are using their shields one group escapes while other group shoot at them.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by BlackKatana:

Originally posted by RJboxer:

You are correct. He is wrong. It is noob theory from years ago "me fians wins all".

It was corrected YEARS ago. There has been many balancing changes since day 1. And FROM DAY !... they NEVER were the gods that new people or cheaters think they are.

They are great for Siege DEFENSE (enemy shields dont help much), .

But in open warfare (especially since OOB update) they get crushed... a lot....

That being said, In general archers are OP. They just aren't the "I WIN" button, people spout off about.

I tend to keep about 20% of my main party as Fians. just so when they hit champs, I can dump them in a town for defense.

They level pretty fast. They aren't bad, but they are expensive. Most people who play, have by now figured out how to make Cash a non-issue.

Nope you are wrong, how come you have 3.5k on bannerlord and don't know how to use fians? I literally explained twice how to use them on my comments, shield infantry are slower than fians so they can't catch up to them especially if they are using their shields one group escapes while other group shoot at them.

Its like in oldsaying:
Jack of all trades is master of none.
But oftentimes better, than master of one.

Fians are good if you use army passively, as they always working. They can be brought up by active usage and still be good if you need more engagement. But they never gonna be as good as active use army of specialised units.
Its still good unit though. And unlike boxer said, they still win vs almost all. As long as match is somwhat "fair". But they cant punch up above their "weight" if you need them, not that much. Pasiively set up infantry with proper balance of units to hold off and be as anchor, while you yourself lead and command second squad of cavalry would win where fians can not, even if used actively. And if you are good enough to command several squads fians not even seen in back mirror.

P.S.
And its not ike you need much to win vs AI to begin with. YOu alone, if you set up properly, worth more, than 400-500 units. So if fians cant win heavily lopsided matches, they are as good as useless. Cause rest can be won by you alone.

[Ruffio]

Fians a bit like the elves a the Helms Deep fight in LOTR.... They bring out a big sword and open a can of whoop ass. But not invincible.

You can screen advancing enemies easy with cav, or just yourself on a horse as well. Make them stop up, even turn around, giving archers (any), a good chance to hit. Imho ammo capacity is what make them of the better ones. Aseari archers too carry two quivers.

[BlackKatana]

Originally posted by Ardariel:

Its like in oldsaying:
Jack of all trades is master of none.
But oftentimes better, than master of one.

I sometimes wonder if people I'm arguing with is drunk or not.

Can you name any unit in bannerlord that better than fian champion as an infantry? You can argue that they can't hold their ground because they don't have any shields but they don't need to they can decimate any ranged unit. You can split them and decimate any infantry blob even if they outnumber you four to one, they can win against horse archers they can even win against cavalry.

Fian champions are masters of two.

[flyingscot1066]

2 separate archer groups, don't even have to be fians, split about 300 meters apart, both put on "advance" (F1-F4), will tear up most enemy formations with no active involvement.

[justfaded]

Originally posted by BlackKatana:

Originally posted by Ardariel:

Its like in oldsaying:
Jack of all trades is master of none.
But oftentimes better, than master of one.

I sometimes wonder if people I'm arguing with is drunk or not.

Can you name any unit in bannerlord that better than fian champion as an infantry? You can argue that they can't hold their ground because they don't have any shields but they don't need to they can decimate any ranged unit. You can split them and decimate any infantry blob even if they outnumber you four to one, they can win against horse archers they can even win against cavalry.

Fian champions are masters of two.

Khans guards are actually just as good shock troops, if not slightly better in more situations because of range. And as dismounted archers, they're a close second to fians. And neither is their primary role. And of course they have no equals in their primary role.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by BlackKatana:

Originally posted by Ardariel:

Its like in oldsaying:
Jack of all trades is master of none.
But oftentimes better, than master of one.

I sometimes wonder if people I'm arguing with is drunk or not.

Can you name any unit in bannerlord that better than fian champion as an infantry? You can argue that they can't hold their ground because they don't have any shields but they don't need to they can decimate any ranged unit. You can split them and decimate any infantry blob even if they outnumber you four to one, they can win against horse archers they can even win against cavalry.

Fian champions are masters of two.

and its not the first time i see, that you not even try to understand person you replying to.

My point is simple - fians are not win-all unit and 30 shilds + 10 of any archers, while i command 10 horsemen and 10 to lead, would do better than 60 fians, or replacing all infantry with fians. And it does not matter THAT much which exact units i`d use.

Try to read next time. Well, any time? Cause last time i saw you actually trying to understand what peoplew were saing to you was already couple of month ago. Since then it is surface level from you at best.

[BlackKatana]

Originally posted by Ardariel:

Originally posted by BlackKatana:

I sometimes wonder if people I'm arguing with is drunk or not.

Can you name any unit in bannerlord that better than fian champion as an infantry? You can argue that they can't hold their ground because they don't have any shields but they don't need to they can decimate any ranged unit. You can split them and decimate any infantry blob even if they outnumber you four to one, they can win against horse archers they can even win against cavalry.

Fian champions are masters of two.

and its not the first time i see, that you not even try to understand person you replying to.

My point is simple - fians are not win-all unit and 30 shilds + 10 of any archers, while i command 10 horsemen and 10 to lead, would do better than 60 fians, or replacing all infantry with fians. And it does not matter THAT much which exact units i`d use.

Try to read next time. Well, any time? Cause last time i saw you actually trying to understand what peoplew were saing to you was already couple of month ago. Since then it is surface level from you at best.

You said two different things, I ignored one of them which was what you are saying right now as its not something worth commenting on, and argued with other as you cann't refute it right now. Why did you assume I didn't understand you, I just don't agree with you.

Originally posted by justfaded:

Khans guards are actually just as good shock troops, if not slightly better in more situations because of range. And as dismounted archers, they're a close second to fians. And neither is their primary role. And of course they have no equals in their primary role.

I agree, but there are three reasons why I don't use them.

-they need war horse to upgrade
-Not all maps are suitable for horse archery and fians are better infantry than khans guard because higher athletics
-horse archers are a bit more tedious and boring to command to

[Azunai]

I recently finished a world conquest after doing the story campaign. My troop setup was pretty simple:

40% or so shield infantry
40% archers
20% cav

No shock infantry (2h weapons), no horse archers

Infantry marches up to the frontline, then goes in shieldwall formation, archers go in loose formation somewhere to the back/side of the shieldwall and in range to enemy. Cav is somewhere to the side.

Archers shoot enemy, at some point they engage. Once their infantry reaches the shielwall, try to reposition/turn archers so they have an angle where they can hit enemy infantry in the back/sides.
Cav either hunts down enemy cav, kills archers or crashes into the infantry to tangle them up so the archers can shoot them more easily.

That's the gist of it. Once the battle swings im my favor, i change infantry from wall to line and f1-f3 charge to mop up.

If it's a big battle between 2 armies, i reset the formations after the first batch is killed and repeat against the respawn.

[kristianjakob]

There is no question whatsoever that BlackKatana is correct. This shouldnt even be up for debate anymore.

Fians, split into two formations, is the bane of all. The AI just dont know how to handle it.

[Hugh G Rection]

Originally posted by Ardariel:

My point is simple - fians are not win-all unit and 30 shilds + 10 of any archers, while i command 10 horsemen and 10 to lead, would do better than 60 fians, or replacing all infantry with fians. And it does not matter THAT much which exact units i`d use.

Try to read next time. Well, any time? Cause last time i saw you actually trying to understand what peoplew were saing to you was already couple of month ago. Since then it is surface level from you at best.

Wow . rude AND wrong af . Fians in two groups , commanded to advance to enemy , set apart wrecks everything in their path .

Dude just open the game and run a test battle , try it for yourself.