What happened with Taleworlds and Bannerlord??

[Kregor]

Let's see. Awful unit design. Modders made better assets than the devs (compare the Orbis Terrae Armarium assets with vanilla fantasy bulky looking ass units with completely unrealistic and goofy looking armor pieces) Like how tf is vlandia supposed to resemble normans with that stupid looking shoulder pieces and too big helmets.
Shallow game mechanics, no depth what so ever. Game becomes stale after 30 hours without mods.
Lazy game design. Companions are still spawning ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ short and skinny after early access and release it's still not fixed. There's a lot more examples. Siege battles are still wonky and don't make me start on criminal gameplay like back alley gangs.
Had potential for something great but now is just basically abandonware that devs hope modders will complete for them, and let me tell you they already are doing better job than whole taleworld, just look at mods like Banner Kings (a must be), Fourberie, Many great looking 3d asset mods like Orbis Terrae Armarium or Vlandian Steel.
Taleworlds did us all dirty

[S1]

I've played Warband, WFAS, Viking Conquest and Bannerlord. Didn't play the original or Napoleonic Wars, but out of the ones I have played, Bannerlord is the best and by a long shot. I think the other titles are given a lot more leeway because as far as they are from perfect, the general game play loop and design was novel.

That being said, as much as like this title, it leaves a lot more to be desired. The streamlining of game play is great, the improved graphics are fantastic. The game isn't totally cavalry lopsided (although VC also handled that well) but it feels like the world could be so much more alive.

I'd love for there internal struggles within factions. Major rebellions on top of the current minor ones we have. Maybe 2 or 3 other wandering heroes building their own clan at the same time you do. The frame work is there for some really great stuff that's just not there.

My hope is that modders will pick up the slack and maybe inspire the developers to create some truly unique DLC. But at this stage it is what is; a good game that could be great

[Spardacus]

“Modders made better assets than the devs”
-There’s a difference between creating a Mona Lisa and adding a mustache to it.

[robtock216]

no its a pretty poor game, certainly the best to date but the series was never about the original game it was made what it was by its mods, bannerlord was supposed to be different.

I keep looking back at this but it p***es me off so much and development seems so slow, the music is still recycled from the guild series, which came out 22 years ago and wasn't particularly great at the time.

i don't like any of the vanilla units at all, they are all ugly as hell in there own way and that shouldn't matter at all because the game, at its very heart is about a warband, your warband, your troops how you want them, or at least it should be but you can't even do that and for me that's pretty unforgivable having zero troop customisation in a game like this now, they should have put in the ability to completely customise your troops like the "my little warband" mod and the ability to save designs so your not re-making them every game.

spears don't work, spearwall doesn't work, diplomacy is broken, relations are broken and the whole thing has the depth of a puddle, the entire game world is dead behind the eyes and were 4 years into release.

[Tempered]

When bannerlord was first announced, I thought it would center around you holding a small fief and building yourself up through trade,diplomacy and warfare to increase the size of your holdings. Something along the lines of being a minor knight or noble defending your lands from other ambitious nobles. Instead we got a race to fend off the entire world before we die or be flunky to some king and magically be voted king for no apparent reason.

The time scale is all wrong. The scope is all wrong. The map scale is all wrong. The game would have been a million times better if they had focused on battles of less than 1,000 units, Added more villages and castles, more baronies and fewer countries, made the time scale 365 days to a year. The number of troops you can muster should have been directly tied to how many villages you control. The game should have started you as a minor land holder. Companions should have been interesting and unique characters that would join you based on your accomplishments. They should have given helpful advise or abilities to your cause, such as access to new troop types, or diplomatic bonuses, or similar perks.

[fastforward]

Originally posted by Tempered:

When bannerlord was first announced, I thought it would center around you holding a small fief and building yourself up through trade,diplomacy and warfare to increase the size of your holdings. Something along the lines of being a minor knight or noble defending your lands from other ambitious nobles. Instead we got a race to fend off the entire world before we die or be flunky to some king and magically be voted king for no apparent reason.

The time scale is all wrong. The scope is all wrong. The map scale is all wrong. The game would have been a million times better if they had focused on battles of less than 1,000 units, Added more villages and castles, more baronies and fewer countries, made the time scale 365 days to a year. The number of troops you can muster should have been directly tied to how many villages you control. The game should have started you as a minor land holder. Companions should have been interesting and unique characters that would join you based on your accomplishments. They should have given helpful advise or abilities to your cause, such as access to new troop types, or diplomatic bonuses, or similar perks.

when bannerlord was first announced i thought it would be a horse racing simulator.
it would center around you working the stables and building yourself up through calradian hippodromes as a jockey/stable boy.
maybe you dont get the sarcasm and maybe my post is mean. i dont want to play your idea of mnb i want to play TWs Idea of mnb. I like almost all the features they have made, its just that the the ideas they implemented feel unfinished or obsolete.
barter, kingdom management, inheritance, economy, town upgrades, clan tiers, smithing, sieges and siege equipment, logistics.
those features that TW decided should be in the game all belong in this game, but none of them feel implemented in a way that it all comes together as a full product. they are all disjointed and often completely unnecessary only hindering the actual gameplay which is fighting amazing battles.
mnb allways was about combat, sieges, shouting. it never had incredible diplomacy, nobody played it because he enjoyed bringing wool from one town to the next. the only reason we traded was so we can afford to pay our troops so we can have amazing battles.
the only reason i ever bothered buying workshops is so i can afford paying my warband.
nobody played warband because he wanted to attend a feast at king harlaus' place.
so all those ideas on how this game should have been crusader kings, sims or minecraft. no
you are wrong and you bought the wrong game.
this game is about having your warband and fighting with it with the final goal being the last kingdom standing.

[Saxon]

I quit playing pretty soon after the disappointing release. I'm currently trying to give it another shot but I'm not seeing any improvement so far. Somehow they actually made it even worse in some areas. Particularly I hate the bugged out workshops. I had to read several guides online just to understand the developers poor understanding of economics.

[ULTRA]

Originally posted by Spardacus:

“Modders made better assets than the devs”
-There’s a difference between creating a Mona Lisa and adding a mustache to it.

and we all know what happened to the creator of the Mona Lisa after he finished

[Ardariel]

always wondered... why some people who dont like product spend their time bashing it, while still usingit? Isnt it pointless?

Why not just vote with your wallet?

[Clovis Sangrail]

Originally posted by Ardariel:

always wondered... why some people who dont like product spend their time bashing it, while still usingit? Isnt it pointless?

OP hated the game so much he only played it for 667 hours.

[Drunio]

Its funny when people say Lazy game design about a MASSIVELY successful title that is still being freely updated years later.

[Noma]

Originally posted by Drunio:

Its funny when people say Lazy game design about a MASSIVELY successful title that is still being freely updated years later.

Yeah, everyone thought it would be good so we all bought it. We're stupid, let's be honest.

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by Noma:

Originally posted by Drunio:

Its funny when people say Lazy game design about a MASSIVELY successful title that is still being freely updated years later.

Yeah, everyone thought it would be good so we all bought it. We're stupid, let's be honest.

considering amount of players still playing game, you are in minority. PLayer retention is one of the best among non-MP titles.

So if you feel that way, make notes and dont buy games like this in the future, cause you clearly expected something, that is not supposed to behere.

[stecph]

Whoever invested in the game needed results ASAP. So they dumbed down the game,tried to implement MP and published it very ptematurely. The hype worked like a charm and the fanbois defend this mess 24/7. They basically got away with it.

[Xiza-Gez]

Is the game good? yes

Could it be better? yes

likewise, certain mechanics of certain mod (Like: diplomacy mod) could be included in the game.

[" THE BLOODY-NINE "]

game is horrible and sucks- 5 or 6 years now of crap. Notice how for 5 years in a row you cant go more than 4 posts in the discussion before you run into a post of how the game crashes. I bought this poor game in early release and its still unplayable. also ive noticed some of this games defenders endlessly support this game in the discussions- I no longer value any of their fake comments and you should not believe them.