So. Alleys.

[The Last Brickman]

I can't speak for everyone here, but I personally was *ecstatic* when I heard Alleys were added to this game.

I'm *VERY* partial to playing as a little rascal of a guy, cavorting with bandits and making a little gang of merry men to shake up the local status quo a bit.

It was very refreshing being able to become a sort of notable crime boss that can influence the inner workings of a city.

But alas, I was very disappointed to learn that Alleys, in the absolute most charitable sense, are just a very low-reward, high-demand income source. You have to leave a companion there and 10 bandit units (which I personally think are a bit trickier to get ahold of than usual soldiers) and come defend it to make absolute certain that nothing happens to it.

On top of this, it makes very little sense that you can only occupy one alley per city. Medieval towns, despite the restrictive nature of serfdom, were often far more liberating to live in since it was much harder to restrict movement of travelers foreign and domestic.

I see a LOT of potential for this system that's being tragically ignored.

I would love to see a system in place where you can peddle influence in the courts without becoming a noble yourself. By having influence over a local city's workings, you could effectively become an independent actor of any state coming along. This would require the ability to garner influence, which is something you could only reasonably achieve when you eliminate or take over your competitors in the gang scene.

Just imagine how amazing it'd be to ascend to lordship by doing more than just marrying some stooge's daughter/son, or going on a rabid conquest. Imagine the INTRIGUE.

And the thing is, this doesn't just have to be about more options for ascending/roleplaying. Y'know that silly option to disguise yourself to get into a city? Are you tired of your roguery skill never being high enough? What if you had a gang network in the city to help you maneuver in and out, if you weren't too friendly with the law?

Imagine being able to sway the lords of a given fief to vote in your favor on kingdom policy.

My mind just *ITCHES* at the thought!

[Ruffio]

You could always scratch your itch by venture into the world of modding. You can find modtools under steam tools <<<---- And you can find free tutorials on c# on youtube and internet else.

[QbeX]

its half a$$ed, exactly like the rest of the game

[Rat]

They are extremely good money early game. have 100 passive income is enough to make you break even during clan rank 0, which means all your income from quest and battles is pure profit since there are zero upkeep costs. you can get consistent 100 gold a day, which I would say is roughly half of what a workshop pays, but it has 0 start up cost compared to a workshop which costs 20k or more. I view it as the lowest tier and easiest to set up form of passive income, which is invaluable early game. On new play throughs I usually get a rogue companion as my very first companion and immediately get an alley up as one of my first orders of business. They are pretty much exclusively an early game endeavour though and become irrelevant as soon as you get multiple workshops and fiefs.

You've also misunderstood how the troops work, they do not need to be bandits. you can staff them with 10 recruits if you want. the only difference in what troops you staff them with will be how much time you're given to get there in the event of an alley battle.

[Mr_Zayder]

Originally posted by QbeX:

its half a$$ed, exactly like the rest of the game

I wanted to write that it's a bit of an unfair comment, then I remembered how a quarted-assed is the diplomacy aspect... (thank god for the mod)

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Mr_Zayder:

Originally posted by QbeX:

its half a$$ed, exactly like the rest of the game

I wanted to write that it's a bit of an unfair comment, then I remembered how a quarted-assed is the diplomacy aspect... (thank god for the mod)

Well, some people need to have the game on easy mode, and not how the creators made it -)

God forbid you have wars in a game that is all about wars and battles -)

[Ardariel]

Originally posted by Mr_Zayder:

Originally posted by QbeX:

its half a$$ed, exactly like the rest of the game

I wanted to write that it's a bit of an unfair comment, then I remembered how a quarted-assed is the diplomacy aspect... (thank god for the mod)

i rea;;y like diplomacy mod in first MB. But i despise it in second. Sire, is good to see some hidden values, but this mod just turns game into passive sandbox, no nation ever dominates, no real pressure and so on.

I would like to have some of options from this mod, but 90% of it to be thrown away, tbh.

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by The Last Brickman:

...
I see a LOT of potential for this system that's being tragically ignored.
...

They have to ignore it.

They announced a Thievery/Brigand sort of gameplay experience being possible in Bannerlord long before the Beta. They described it as being able to run a Criminal enterprise across many towns, etc, and showed clips of scruffy bandits strong-arming the civilians and talked about the player basically running some kind of racketeering operation.

Well, that sounded cool, really. We didn't know where it was going to go, but it was a highlight bit in the dev promo reel, so it looked like it would be fun.

It wasn't in the EA. Alleys didn't get added until just before release.

The thing is, they're sort of like a "Workshop," which isn't bad itself. I think they do something with Town mechanics? I dunno, maybe that was my own idea I have inserted as wish-upon-a-star headcannon.

But, that "Crimelord" sort of favor they pushed in that reel isn't actually anywhere else but the player's head. Well, unless you count the Perk system... (Which you shouldn't, since being a crimelord doesn't have a lot to do with watching the game unlock super-powers when you click a button.)

The reason they have to ignore it, though, is that to add more features to it would mean they're supporting "alternative play." Alleys are not there to support alternative play, they're there as another type of Workshop and the "play" must be in your head and not in the game.

That's not even terrible... But, think of what they would need to do in order to flesh out a criminal enterprise racketeering operation in Bannerlord.

I could write it here, but just think of owning your own Bandit Hideout and taking over other types of bandits, owning safe-houses in cities, running gambling, hiring our your thieves and assassins for campaign-map level work, unbalancing town variables, sabotage for profit, struggling against other bandit leaders, maybe even a nemesis or hiding from law enforcement and the King's agents, etc..

To make a progression and entirely new game mechanics to draw worthwhile attention to criminal/alley play requires a heck of a lot more content work than just reskinning Workshop mechanics. And, they do not want to have to do that.

IMO - They just want alleys to be low-profile game additions to fulfill their promise and to let them tell people who want to be bandits "well, we put Alleyways and you can hire/promote Brigands in the game and put those point-things in the point-thing collection sheet for super-powers, so I don't see what you're so upset about."

That's actually the smart move from their point of view, IMO. This is a "battlez fightin' gaem," so anything that is focused on not-fighting-battlez shouldn't take priority, i guess. (Oh, Blacksmithing... yeah.... I had blissfully forgotten about that.)

A big hefty mod that makes it possible to become a Bandit King would be very nice, especially if it had an alternative playstyle that allowed for criminal-only progression and gameplay features to give the player the power to alter the campaign map in similar ways that a Lord or King, could. There'd have to be battlez fighting, tho... That's hard to shoehorn in there without it getting silly. :) Maybe "Buy a Lordship?" Bribe a faction leader to bestow some crappy lordship on the Bandit player?

[Mr_Zayder]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by Mr_Zayder:

I wanted to write that it's a bit of an unfair comment, then I remembered how a quarted-assed is the diplomacy aspect... (thank god for the mod)

Well, some people need to have the game on easy mode, and not how the creators made it -)

God forbid you have wars in a game that is all about wars and battles -)

Ah yeah, that's totally the point i'm trying to make here right ?
Damn you're dense, but i'll lend a helping hand and spell it out for you.

One of the main point is to get a kingdom and conquer, so there's obviously a need for progressing difficulty. How are you supposed to grow bigger if from the instant you have a kingdom with limited resources, other kingdom that are already established and much richer can wipe you out for no reason ? Beside Money, you simply don't even have enough lords & companions to grow an army big enough, you have zero fighting chances.

There, do you understand now or should I get the alphabet soup ? :-)

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Mr_Zayder:

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Well, some people need to have the game on easy mode, and not how the creators made it -)

God forbid you have wars in a game that is all about wars and battles -)

Ah yeah, that's totally the point i'm trying to make here right ?
Damn you're dense, but i'll lend a helping hand and spell it out for you.

One of the main point is to get a kingdom and conquer, so there's obviously a need for progressing difficulty. How are you supposed to grow bigger if from the instant you have a kingdom with limited resources, other kingdom that are already established and much richer can wipe you out for no reason ? Beside Money, you simply don't even have enough lords & companions to grow an army big enough, you have zero fighting chances.

There, do you understand now or should I get the alphabet soup ? :-)

So what you are saying you are terrible at the game and need crutches. I get you -)

[Mr_Zayder]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by Mr_Zayder:

Ah yeah, that's totally the point i'm trying to make here right ?
Damn you're dense, but i'll lend a helping hand and spell it out for you.

One of the main point is to get a kingdom and conquer, so there's obviously a need for progressing difficulty. How are you supposed to grow bigger if from the instant you have a kingdom with limited resources, other kingdom that are already established and much richer can wipe you out for no reason ? Beside Money, you simply don't even have enough lords & companions to grow an army big enough, you have zero fighting chances.

There, do you understand now or should I get the alphabet soup ? :-)

So what you are saying you are terrible at the game and need crutches. I get you -)

Alright, let me get the soup letters.

How dare people not be pro player at Bannerlords2, how can't they handle such flawlessly designed diplomacy aspect lmao.
Congrats on being a Pro-Gehmer a Bannerlord2, you're a big big boy, feeling better being condescending ? :-)

Obviously if something is criticized, it cannot mean that the game is flawed right ? It's perfect and everyone talking bad about it are just "bAd GaHmeRz"

Here, have some jester points, you surely earned your pittance <3

PS: Can't wait for your next cringe reply -)

[JaCRO]

Originally posted by The Last Brickman:

I can't speak for everyone here, but I personally was *ecstatic* when I heard Alleys were added to this game.

I'm *VERY* partial to playing as a little rascal of a guy, cavorting with bandits and making a little gang of merry men to shake up the local status quo a bit.

It was very refreshing being able to become a sort of notable crime boss that can influence the inner workings of a city.

But alas, I was very disappointed to learn that Alleys, in the absolute most charitable sense, are just a very low-reward, high-demand income source. You have to leave a companion there and 10 bandit units (which I personally think are a bit trickier to get ahold of than usual soldiers) and come defend it to make absolute certain that nothing happens to it.

On top of this, it makes very little sense that you can only occupy one alley per city. Medieval towns, despite the restrictive nature of serfdom, were often far more liberating to live in since it was much harder to restrict movement of travelers foreign and domestic.

I see a LOT of potential for this system that's being tragically ignored.

I would love to see a system in place where you can peddle influence in the courts without becoming a noble yourself. By having influence over a local city's workings, you could effectively become an independent actor of any state coming along. This would require the ability to garner influence, which is something you could only reasonably achieve when you eliminate or take over your competitors in the gang scene.

Just imagine how amazing it'd be to ascend to lordship by doing more than just marrying some stooge's daughter/son, or going on a rabid conquest. Imagine the INTRIGUE.

And the thing is, this doesn't just have to be about more options for ascending/roleplaying. Y'know that silly option to disguise yourself to get into a city? Are you tired of your roguery skill never being high enough? What if you had a gang network in the city to help you maneuver in and out, if you weren't too friendly with the law?

Imagine being able to sway the lords of a given fief to vote in your favor on kingdom policy.

My mind just *ITCHES* at the thought!

You do realise you can be in control with some alley's ?
Destabilise the town to the point of that town loosing so much influence and gang leaders so the soldier resupply is week.And you can literally place any soldiers there in alley they over time become "thug",depending of the tier of the troop will they become master or lesser "thug". The alley system have so much nuance, you just dint play that much and just surface lvl tested it.(pesant)

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Mr_Zayder:

Originally posted by Ruffio:

So what you are saying you are terrible at the game and need crutches. I get you -)

Alright, let me get the soup letters.

How dare people not be pro player at Bannerlords2, how can't they handle such flawlessly designed diplomacy aspect lmao.
Congrats on being a Pro-Gehmer a Bannerlord2, you're a big big boy, feeling better being condescending ? :-)

Obviously if something is criticized, it cannot mean that the game is flawed right ? It's perfect and everyone talking bad about it are just "bAd GaHmeRz"

Here, have some jester points, you surely earned your pittance <3

PS: Can't wait for your next cringe reply -)

First time I created a Kingdom in Bannerlord, I got trashed, didn't fare to well the next time either. Thing is to learn from your mistakes, learn and progress, not keep repeat the same moves over and over and epxect a different outcome -) I'm not a pro player, I just learned from my mistakes and adapted playing the game.

Creating a kingdom as soon as you got a fief and got a small party doesn't do you any favors. Create a kingdom with a handfull of fiefs close together, good sized garissons and maxed out clan parties, different situation.

Oh, and give people clown faces is just give them free points to spend in the shop. So uh? Thanks I guess?

[Mr_Zayder]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by Mr_Zayder:

Alright, let me get the soup letters.

How dare people not be pro player at Bannerlords2, how can't they handle such flawlessly designed diplomacy aspect lmao.
Congrats on being a Pro-Gehmer a Bannerlord2, you're a big big boy, feeling better being condescending ? :-)

Obviously if something is criticized, it cannot mean that the game is flawed right ? It's perfect and everyone talking bad about it are just "bAd GaHmeRz"

Here, have some jester points, you surely earned your pittance <3

PS: Can't wait for your next cringe reply -)

First time I created a Kingdom in Bannerlord, I got trashed, didn't fare to well the next time either. Thing is to learn from your mistakes, learn and progress, not keep repeat the same moves over and over and epxect a different outcome -) I'm not a pro player, I just learned from my mistakes and adapted playing the game.

Creating a kingdom as soon as you got a fief and got a small party doesn't do you any favors. Create a kingdom with a handfull of fiefs close together, good sized garissons and maxed out clan parties, different situation.

Oh, and give people clown faces is just give them free points to spend in the shop. So uh? Thanks I guess?

If you want to have an actual conversation next time and bring something of value, don't start with being a vain condescending idiot "yOu NeEd a CruTch, YoU'Re TeRribLe" when someone expresses valid criticism in a moderate way.
From the moment you decided to reply like a little ♥♥♥♥, your opinion and experience became irrelevant ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here, have more jester points. You visibly understand more the value than the meaning -)

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Mr_Zayder:

Originally posted by Ruffio:

First time I created a Kingdom in Bannerlord, I got trashed, didn't fare to well the next time either. Thing is to learn from your mistakes, learn and progress, not keep repeat the same moves over and over and epxect a different outcome -) I'm not a pro player, I just learned from my mistakes and adapted playing the game.

Creating a kingdom as soon as you got a fief and got a small party doesn't do you any favors. Create a kingdom with a handfull of fiefs close together, good sized garissons and maxed out clan parties, different situation.

Oh, and give people clown faces is just give them free points to spend in the shop. So uh? Thanks I guess?

If you want to have an actual conversation next time and bring something of value, don't start with being a vain condescending idiot "yOu NeEd a CruTch, YoU'Re TeRribLe" when someone expresses valid criticism in a moderate way.
From the moment you decided to reply like a little ♥♥♥♥, your opinion and experience became irrelevant ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here, have more jester points. You visibly understand more the value than the meaning -)

I'm sure type every second letter a capital one make you out to be very clever -)
If you think a clown face bother me you must be new to this forum.

My point still stand, using mods to compensate for being bad (bad as in not seem to want to learn) at the game, doesn't make you any better. Sure, it will make YOU have a better time with the game (with the help of crutches). That is the nice thing with mods, everyone can modify the game to their own liking. But none of these mods need to be part of the vanilla game.

[CleitusTheBlack]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by Mr_Zayder:

If you want to have an actual conversation next time and bring something of value, don't start with being a vain condescending idiot "yOu NeEd a CruTch, YoU'Re TeRribLe" when someone expresses valid criticism in a moderate way.
From the moment you decided to reply like a little ♥♥♥♥, your opinion and experience became irrelevant ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here, have more jester points. You visibly understand more the value than the meaning -)

I'm sure type every second letter a capital one make you out to be very clever -)
If you think a clown face bother me you must be new to this forum.

My point still stand, using mods to compensate for being bad (bad as in not seem to want to learn) at the game, doesn't make you any better. Sure, it will make YOU have a better time with the game (with the help of crutches). That is the nice thing with mods, everyone can modify the game to their own liking. But none of these mods need to be part of the vanilla game.

Why do you keep typing a "-)" at the end of random sentences? Is it too hard to type a face? Do you keep missing the period on your keyboard?