Encumbrance effect on combat running speed

[ScienceDiscoverer]

So, I couldn't find this info anywhere, so I tested it myself. Run between two trees on same map with 30.6 encumbrance and then 1.6 encumbrance and measured time with stopwatch. It turns out, each encumbrance point lowers speed by about 0.94%. Factoring in some errors in my experiment, it may very well be that each encumbrance point lowers speed by exactly 1%. This is quite interesting. Would be cool if this info was included in the tool-tip for encumbrance. To not leave players guessing.

[Erebor]

Thx mate

[riteclick]

Awesome. I appreciate you testing this

[limpshrimp]

Thanks for this!! Have you also figured out the opposite effect each point in athletics has?

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by ScienceDiscoverer:

So, I couldn't find this info anywhere, so I tested it myself. Run between two trees on same map with 30.6 encumbrance and then 1.6 encumbrance and measured time with stopwatch. It turns out, each encumbrance point lowers speed by about 0.94%. Factoring in some errors in my experiment, it may very well be that each encumbrance point lowers speed by exactly 1%. This is quite interesting. Would be cool if this info was included in the tool-tip for encumbrance. To not leave players guessing.

What are the base effects of using a Shield vs not? There's a stated penalty for shield use in the Perk system that, I assume, includes just having a shield equipped and not even being used to "block."

IF one is to literally interpret the Perks and descriptions, being equipped with a light one or two-handed weapon and no shield at all would yield an even faster movement rate. An "All Archer All The Time" build in light armor would be, one assumes, "Legolas-speed."

No skateboard-shields, though. Much sad.

[ScienceDiscoverer]

Originally posted by limpshrimp:

Thanks for this!! Have you also figured out the opposite effect each point in athletics has?

Well, you can see in perks details how much % speed increase you have. Like, 100+ athletics gives about 6% increase or something. So it would counter 6 encumbarance. If you take +3% speed perk from athletics than it would be 9% and will give you 3% more speed if you have 6 encumb. etc.

[ScienceDiscoverer]

Originally posted by Morkonan:

Originally posted by ScienceDiscoverer:

So, I couldn't find this info anywhere, so I tested it myself. Run between two trees on same map with 30.6 encumbrance and then 1.6 encumbrance and measured time with stopwatch. It turns out, each encumbrance point lowers speed by about 0.94%. Factoring in some errors in my experiment, it may very well be that each encumbrance point lowers speed by exactly 1%. This is quite interesting. Would be cool if this info was included in the tool-tip for encumbrance. To not leave players guessing.

What are the base effects of using a Shield vs not? There's a stated penalty for shield use in the Perk system that, I assume, includes just having a shield equipped and not even being used to "block."

IF one is to literally interpret the Perks and descriptions, being equipped with a light one or two-handed weapon and no shield at all would yield an even faster movement rate. An "All Archer All The Time" build in light armor would be, one assumes, "Legolas-speed."

No skateboard-shields, though. Much sad.

There is actually perk in one-handed tree that reduces sheild encubrance by half in combat. I assumed that it just reduces it's mass by half. Like if shield is 7 kg, it will actually add only 3.5 in combat. I rudimentary tested this theory and it seems to be the case... But you could actually find preatty light shields, lightest I could found was tall kite shield of only 2.1 weight. Perk would reduce it to 1.05, I assume. So it's almost free shield!

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by ScienceDiscoverer:

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There is actually perk in one-handed tree that reduces sheild encubrance by half in combat. I assumed that it just reduces it's mass by half. Like if shield is 7 kg, it will actually add only 3.5 in combat. I rudimentary tested this theory and it seems to be the case... But you could actually find preatty light shields, lightest I could found was tall kite shield of only 2.1 weight. Perk would reduce it to 1.05, I assume. So it's almost free shield!

Thanks for that! So, it seems that particular point of "Encumbrance" attributed to shield use is really only "weight." IOW - There isn't a dedicated, special, reason why Shields are being singled out. It's just... weight. /shrug

[ScienceDiscoverer]

Originally posted by Morkonan:

Originally posted by ScienceDiscoverer:

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There is actually perk in one-handed tree that reduces sheild encubrance by half in combat. I assumed that it just reduces it's mass by half. Like if shield is 7 kg, it will actually add only 3.5 in combat. I rudimentary tested this theory and it seems to be the case... But you could actually find preatty light shields, lightest I could found was tall kite shield of only 2.1 weight. Perk would reduce it to 1.05, I assume. So it's almost free shield!

Thanks for that! So, it seems that particular point of "Encumbrance" attributed to shield use is really only "weight." IOW - There isn't a dedicated, special, reason why Shields are being singled out. It's just... weight. /shrug

Not 100% shure, but that's what it seems to be. Most shields are really heavy! Compared to weapons, that is.

[AugustusKron]

did you test with the shield equipped and with the shield on your back?

[ScienceDiscoverer]

Originally posted by AugustusKron:

did you test with the shield equipped and with the shield on your back?

Not sure...

[ScienceDiscoverer]

Originally posted by Locklave:

Athletics cancels out said modifiers in addition to increasing movement speed. I don't know how much as the metrics aren't available.

100 athletics has you moving at 3ish times the speed on 1 athletics with about 16 units of weight. Which is much more then the +% to movement. So whatever you athletics score was is relative to the values you tested.

Not sure about this eigther.

[ScienceDiscoverer]

I call BS on myself!... I just tested my speed with 6.5 Encumbrance. Then with 19.8. Same speed. Literally same speed! Then I was like, OK what? I bought heaviest stuff I could find in city, 42.1 Encumbrance. It slowed my speed only 8%. What??? By now I have absolutely 0 idea how this magical Encumbrance works... I have 200 Athletics but I didn't pick armor weight reduction perk.

Is athletics also nullifies some encumbrance beyond certain level? If so, why is it not written in skill description??

[Passier Reis]

We all talking about the same game build?

[ScienceDiscoverer]

I guess I would never receive an answer here... 0 info about this on the Internet too. So I had to use cheats to test it once and for all. Here is the results:

0 Athletics	| 70.3 E	| 22.5 s	| Tooltip: +0%
		| 0 E 		| 13 s
100 Athletics   | 70.3 E	| 24 s		| Tooltip: +6%
		| 0 E		| 9 s
161 Athletics	| 70.3 E	| 13 s		| Tooltip +10%
		| 0 E		| 9 s
318 Athletics	| 70.3 E	| 9 s		| Tooltip +20%
		| 0 E		| 9 s

So, as you can see, with 0 Athletics Encumbrance have HUGE impact on running speed. 70 Enc. added staggering 173% slowdown. But when you start to level up Athletics some weird stuff happens...

Firstly, it seems that there is some kind of max running speed cap and you can't go beyond that (0 Enc. same speed from 100 to 318 Athletics). BTW I didn't used any perks, I think perks increase running speed beyond base Athletic stat (for example Sprint perk or Medicine first tire perk +3% etc).

But at the same time, Athletics seems to somehow nullify Encumbrance! It seems that it's some hidden stat that is for some reason not displayed on tooltip (WHY??! ITS IMPORTANT!).

So, seems that 100 Athletics cant nullify massive 70 points of Encumbrance, but 161 decease it almost 2 times, while 318 totally nullifies this huge weight and you run as fast as naked while literally dragging a Main Battle Tank on yourself.

Man, Athletics perk need a lot of attention from devs to make it more clear in the UI!

[ScienceDiscoverer]

Originally posted by SpecialSnowflake:

We all talking about the same game build?

Well my original post was long ago, but I retested it on current build.