Wait, you lose all your workshops if you go to war under workshop's faction??

[A Large Wallaby]

In Warband if this happened your production just gets suspended, but it looks like you have to start from scratch in this game... unacceptable.
I'm a mercenary, it's not my fault if my ruler at the time decides to work against my interests, they should be responsible for compensating lost revenue due to this.

[๖ۣۜᎶ𝔥𝔬𝔰𝔱 👻]

Idk man, seems pretty logical to me. Why let an enemy run their business in your towns? Take the place and sell it to fund your war effort

[Rose]

If I was a Lord and knew someone fighting against me ran a workshop in my town I'd.... requisition it for myself too.

[SkeL]

If you dont want to risk lose them just dont be a mercenary... In medieval times you dont have any rights, deal with it lol.

Of course you would lose the workshops at enemy towns, imagine you own a town and your enemy own a workshop there, would you just let him make profit of your disgrace? Of course not you would overtake his business.

Also thats why you shouldnt rely on workshops, if you want some build it in your own faction towns.

[Friends Ferdinand]

Seems logical. I always put up workshops in the kingdom that I'm going to join.

[Tush Inspector Zoggash]

I guess the state seized his means of production lmao

[A Large Wallaby]

I know 15k isn't a lot but it seems you have no recourse, at least with caravans the caravan has to be contested by an enemy to close it down, one faction decision could tank multiple businesses of the player's immediately. I don't understand this change.

[Rose]

Originally posted by A Large Wallaby:

I know 15k isn't a lot but it seems you have no recourse, at least with caravans the caravan has to be contested by an enemy to close it down, one faction decision could tank multiple businesses of the player's immediately. I don't understand this change.

If you where a Lord would you not take your enemies workshop? Better to take a workshop than let it finance a enemy army. It makes a lot of sense ngl. Imagine if your workship just kept producing. You could go to war with anyone and still make tons of money. No consequences for your business venture

[fanmagnus]

"Dear Adolf, we have a Mr. Stevens here who owns 20% share of a textile factory in Hannover. He has no evidence of openly supporting Churchill's decision of continuing the war, and the British government would like to compensate him for any disruptions in revenue caused by the war. Would you mind letting us know the company's EBITDA in 1940 so we can properly calculate the compensation, and please be honest when doing so. Thank you."

[alhay]

Originally posted by Rose:

Originally posted by A Large Wallaby:

I know 15k isn't a lot but it seems you have no recourse, at least with caravans the caravan has to be contested by an enemy to close it down, one faction decision could tank multiple businesses of the player's immediately. I don't understand this change.

If you where a Lord would you not take your enemies workshop? Better to take a workshop than let it finance a enemy army. It makes a lot of sense ngl. Imagine if your workship just kept producing. You could go to war with anyone and still make tons of money. No consequences for your business venture

well, in medieval times those kind of detailed records would not be kept. It would only be lost, if you pissed them off so hard that they actively looked for ways to screw you over.

[Panda]

Workshops is bad idea for mercenary, same goes for caravans.

My caravan was fine for 200 days until I signed mercenary coontract, but was destroyed week later.

[holdem]

why are you even able to buy up workshops that easy in other kingdom factions without even having to pay taxes?
If i was a king i would only have people run my workshops with really good connections and decent taxes on your profits.

[Nevasith]

Originally posted by holdem:

why are you even able to buy up workshops that easy in other kingdom factions without even having to pay taxes?
If i was a king i would only have people run my workshops with really good connections and decent taxes on your profits.

Because cities had their own rights and councils. Generally you shouldn't look at cities the way they are now (part of a state structure), but rather as largely independent entities with general duties towards the ruler. To make it more complicated cities were established with (I'm trying to translate the name to English) "City Charter" which detailed the rights and duties of the city.

Back to M&B - it would make most sense to let anyone start business who has the money to do so, simple economy. It would also make sense to confiscate AT LEAST the profit while at work, in case of many workshops would make sense to seize the product (metalworks, tannery). In more extreme case seize the entire business and be done with it and I doubt anyone would care enough to negotiate compensation in peace treaty. On the other hand when conquering the city by allied faction the workshop should return to the player immediately.

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by A Large Wallaby:

I know 15k isn't a lot but it seems you have no recourse, at least with caravans the caravan has to be contested by an enemy to close it down, one faction decision could tank multiple businesses of the player's immediately. I don't understand this change.

Ah no, it takes alot more to lose a workshop than a caravan. The enemy has to take the town in a siege.

[holdem]

Originally posted by Nevasith:

Originally posted by holdem:

why are you even able to buy up workshops that easy in other kingdom factions without even having to pay taxes?
If i was a king i would only have people run my workshops with really good connections and decent taxes on your profits.

Because cities had their own rights and councils. Generally you shouldn't look at cities the way they are now (part of a state structure), but rather as largely independent entities with general duties towards the ruler. To make it more complicated cities were established with (I'm trying to translate the name to English) "City Charter" which detailed the rights and duties of the city.

Back to M&B - it would make most sense to let anyone start business who has the money to do so, simple economy. It would also make sense to confiscate AT LEAST the profit while at work, in case of many workshops would make sense to seize the product (metalworks, tannery). In more extreme case seize the entire business and be done with it and I doubt anyone would care enough to negotiate compensation in peace treaty. On the other hand when conquering the city by allied faction the workshop should return to the player immediately.

No it doesn't make sense that someone can buy workshops in all city's you have no connections with unless you provide that kingdom a big chunk of your profits.
It makes most sense that you can only have workshops in city's you own.

[FighterJet27]

Originally posted by holdem:

Originally posted by Nevasith:

Because cities had their own rights and councils. Generally you shouldn't look at cities the way they are now (part of a state structure), but rather as largely independent entities with general duties towards the ruler. To make it more complicated cities were established with (I'm trying to translate the name to English) "City Charter" which detailed the rights and duties of the city.

Back to M&B - it would make most sense to let anyone start business who has the money to do so, simple economy. It would also make sense to confiscate AT LEAST the profit while at work, in case of many workshops would make sense to seize the product (metalworks, tannery). In more extreme case seize the entire business and be done with it and I doubt anyone would care enough to negotiate compensation in peace treaty. On the other hand when conquering the city by allied faction the workshop should return to the player immediately.

No it doesn't make sense that someone can buy workshops in all city's you have no connections with unless you provide that kingdom a big chunk of your profits.
It makes most sense that you can only have workshops in city's you own.

From a gameplay perspective it does make perfect sense, if this was gonna be super technical it would be too tedious.