Notice to the mod makers on the official forum.

[Natasha]

Mod makers are literally changing the development direction because they firmly believe that mod kits are required to be present in early acces. The developers owe you absolutely nothing and you managed to change the direction of development which may negatively impact the game long term.

Yes mods are certainly important for this game's future but who wants to sit and update tc mods in early access?, it's just not a good idea, but crybabies have no patience to wait until the game is complete they believe they are entitled to answers.

[Power Button]

Apprently, releasing a mod kit in early access is a mistake. Next time if bannerlord have a sequel I hope they dont release the mod kit too soon, unless they have a dedicated team to work on it.

[amazon #McSwag]

I'd say, just don't release the darn game in early access to begin with.

[Temuling]

Originally posted by Natasha:

Mod makers are literally changing the development direction because they firmly believe that mod kits are required to be present in early acces. The developers owe you absolutely nothing and you managed to change the direction of development which may negatively impact the game long term.

Yes mods are certainly important for this game's future but who wants to sit and update tc mods in early access?, it's just not a good idea, but crybabies have no patience to wait until the game is complete they believe they are entitled to answers.

+++++++100

[Natasha]

Originally posted by amazon #McSwag:

I'd say, ust don't release the darn game in early access to begin with.

Early access was just a bad idea to begin with, you can clearly see people have no patience to wait it out and start asking for things.

This game in my opinion is not even close to being a quarter done and they start asking for support for mods.

Originally posted by thunda:

"believe they are entitled to answers"

Theyre paying customers, you absolute buffoon. Of course theyre entitled to answers

At no point did they promise to release a modkit before the game was complete, you're not entiled to anything but wait.

[Dr. Dingo]

Early Access doesn't mean anything, it never meant anything. It is just a way for developers to release a product while convincing morons that they have no moral basis to criticize it.

Apparently (in 2021, somehow) it worked.

[Operator Sandwich]

When you are ignorant, but trying hard to seem like you are not.
Modders have all the reason to ask these questions in 2021 when devs themselves talked about it in the past numerous times. If TW didn't want to support mods or wanted to postpone it until "later" they could communicate it, which clearly is not the case.
So, why are you posting this?

June, 2020
https://www.taleworlds.com/en/News/359

"Finally, we hope to be able to start releasing some modding tools with limited documentation in the near future."

Oct, 2020
https://www.taleworlds.com/en/News/399

[Fiddle Gastro]

Originally posted by thunda:

"believe they are entitled to answers"

Theyre paying customers, you absolute buffoon. Of course theyre entitled to answers

'I demand Tesla make the changes I want before they release the model I paid for knowing there's no refunds and no guarantees'

Do you understand how idiotic that sounds?

[Natasha]

Originally posted by Operator Sandwich:

When you are ignorant, but trying hard to seem like you are not.
Modders have all the reason to ask these questions in 2021 when devs themselves talked about it in the past numerous times. If TW didn't want to support mods or wanted to postpone it until "later" they could communicate it, which clearly is not the case.
So, why are you posting this?

June, 2020
https://www.taleworlds.com/en/News/359

"Finally, we hope to be able to start releasing some modding tools with limited documentation in the near future."

Oct, 2020
https://www.taleworlds.com/en/News/399

You must know a lot about being ignorant then.

Or they could simple not communicate with you at all, can you mention any other developer that is not indie that respond to unreasonable claims for mod support before the game is complete ?.

I see mod kits being mentioned by the developers i do not see them mention that there will be a complete one in ea. But yes it would probably have been a better idea to not make a mod kit at all in EA since some people can't figure things out for themselves, they have to have it delivered into tiny little pieces before it makes sense.

It's time for you to learn things may change as the game is being developed, nothing is set in stone. if you want things your way then make a game yourself and see how far you get with that.

Also it was a big mistake to even try and communicate with some players, when you give them a finger they just want the whole hand, like most developers have figured out by now it's better to ignore them and complete the game.

[Operator Sandwich]

Let's get into it.
1. Other dev not indie - Irrelevant. They are Indie and the only reason they have commercial success of any kind is their devoted fanbase that was with them for over a decade (including myself who owns an original box of M&B). They don't have Overwatch/Fifa in the background to keep them financially on float if they f this up.
2. TW themselves stated to provide mod support, not the other way around, which I confirmed again by their own statements during EA. Nobody asks them anything they didn't promise themselves.
3. The rest is pretty much more ignorant bs if you don't understand the issue that modders ran into, then probably you should read it again.

It's up on Taleworlds to follow or not follow their own promises given to the community. I know for a fact that if they manage to really alienate people that spent years making and updating mods for their game, Bannerlord won't have a bright future everyone expected. In fact it will be worthless.

[Fiddle Gastro]

Originally posted by Operator Sandwich:

Let's get into it.
1. Other dev not indie - Irrelevant. They are Indie and the only reason they have commercial success of any kind is their devoted fanbase that was with them for over a decade (including myself who owns an original box of M&B). They don't have Overwatch/Fifa in the background to keep them financially on float if they f this up.
2. TW themselves stated to provide mod support, not the other way around, which I confirmed again by their own statements during EA. Nobody asks them anything they didn't promise themselves.
3. The rest is pretty much more ignorant bs if you don't understand the issue that modders ran into, then probably you should read it again.

It's up on Taleworlds to follow or not follow their own promises given to the community. I know for a fact that if they manage to really alienate people that spent years making and updating mods for their game, Bannerlord won't have a bright future everyone expected. In fact it will be worthless.

Refusing to support modding Z while providing the ability to mod A through Y is not failing to provide mod support.

Demanding they support modding Z while the game is still in development is entitled petulance.

[Natasha]

Originally posted by Operator Sandwich:

Let's get into it.
1. Other dev not indie - Irrelevant. They are Indie and the only reason they have commercial success of any kind is their devoted fanbase that was with them for over a decade (including myself who owns an original box of M&B). They don't have Overwatch/Fifa in the background to keep them financially on float if they f this up.
2. TW themselves stated to provide mod support, not the other way around, which I confirmed again by their own statements during EA. Nobody asks them anything they didn't promise themselves.
3. The rest is pretty much more ignorant bs if you don't understand the issue that modders ran into, then probably you should read it again.

It's up on Taleworlds to follow or not follow their own promises given to the community. I know for a fact that if they manage to really alienate people that spent years making and updating mods for their game, Bannerlord won't have a bright future everyone expected. In fact it will be worthless.

I disagree, the game does not have a bright future if they respond to mod makers that will abandon their mods in early access anyway due to all the patches, that is exactly what's happening right now, not because of a incomplete mod kit but due to insufficient time.

What makes you think tc mods will fare any better ?

If you were a fan of the franchise as you claim you know that Mount & Blade has never been in early access until now, you can't compare it to the old games like Warband.


I never said that mods is not required, i simply stated that a mod kit is not required in early access, nobody pulled a gun to their head and asked them to do total conversion mods at the start of early access, that was their choice alone.

We don't need a mod kit in early access, there are more important things such as adding content and fixing broken mechanics, mod support can come when the game is ready for it, not before.

Now you can see what i meant with EA being a big mistake, customers being a bunch of babies they want everything here and now.

[Temuling]

Originally posted by Operator Sandwich:

When you are ignorant, but trying hard to seem like you are not.
Modders have all the reason to ask these questions in 2021 when devs themselves talked about it in the past numerous times. If TW didn't want to support mods or wanted to postpone it until "later" they could communicate it, which clearly is not the case.
So, why are you posting this?

June, 2020
https://www.taleworlds.com/en/News/359

"Finally, we hope to be able to start releasing some modding tools with limited documentation in the near future."

Oct, 2020
https://www.taleworlds.com/en/News/399

What has which year it is has to do with toxic anxiety ridden PC glued hormonal teenagers? They have always behaved in such an unfathomable way for ages..as written in our historical texts regardless of what time period. No wonder we see "Are we there yet" comments every so often. :)

In a short span of over a year of early access this game has more mods compared to any other finished game, isn't it true? Was it possible because of Devs or Modders? Do you think Modders can mod a game in early access without the Dev Tools provided to them by the Devs? Devs have been releasing updates every first/second week of the month with considerable improvements at least for last 2 or 3 updates, mind you all this while we have a pandemic going on. Lastly, I assume none you even played 1.6 yet..its a significant improvement performance-wise on my potato. <_<

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Operator Sandwich:

Let's get into it.
1. Other dev not indie - Irrelevant. They are Indie and the only reason they have commercial success of any kind is their devoted fanbase that was with them for over a decade (including myself who owns an original box of M&B). They don't have Overwatch/Fifa in the background to keep them financially on float if they f this up.
2. TW themselves stated to provide mod support, not the other way around, which I confirmed again by their own statements during EA. Nobody asks them anything they didn't promise themselves.
3. The rest is pretty much more ignorant bs if you don't understand the issue that modders ran into, then probably you should read it again.

It's up on Taleworlds to follow or not follow their own promises given to the community. I know for a fact that if they manage to really alienate people that spent years making and updating mods for their game, Bannerlord won't have a bright future everyone expected. In fact it will be worthless.

So you even know the term Indie?

\You mjention indie, do you think Indies stand for small studios?

All it means is that theyr independed.

My god.

TW stated they will add mod support, but they also STATED as you said so yourself, that it wilol be near release or at launch.

Modders have no place during this time and phase. It was no different during the alphas of warband and MNB, You wait for game to be done and they provide support.

Thats how it should be.

[Galroche]

why are you talking to official forum user on the steam forum ?? wouldn't it be faster to do it there directly ?

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Galroche:

why are you talking to official forum user on the steam forum ?? wouldn't it be faster to do it there directly ?

Cause there's a couple here trying to cause review bombs and what not.