Peace making not possible

[Otto von Hitmarck]

Hey Guys,

i founded a new kingdom an have 1 thief left. I just lost one by getting beat up from 1000 man. I had war with 4 nations.
I have to make peace over the diplomacy option. But the tribute payment eats up my whole income. Problem is even when i get to the leaders, i cant make peace. They say they cant decide that ♥♥♥♥, Thats frustrating, do you have an solution?

[kristianjakob]

Pay off 3 of them. Beat up the last one. Once done, renegotiate you deal with the other 3, one after the other.

If you are a kingdom you must make peace through the diplomacy system. So, trying to talk to them will do nothing for you.

[LimaGolf]

You may need to collapse your kingdom. Happened to me, many such cases.

[raphael.riepl]

Cheese your way out. You have one fief left? Great that way you can get your units together and basically wear them all down by letting them attack you. You take a few of them out and then run for the border. Then you reengage. Do that until you have defeated a lot of their armies. Keep the nobles captured and also take a few good units prisoner. You can convert them to last longer. They are more likely to accept a for you better condition if you have many of their nobles in prison and letting some free for some ransom money keeps you from going bankrupt. You could also just execute the nobles since you are already in a death war. If they run low on nobles that can fight, the pressure goes away and you can start to conquer land again.

[Action Man]

Are you using the Diplomacy mod? From what I remember, in the Vanilla game you can always make peace by buying it (it's been a while since I've done Vanilla so I don't remember). The Diplomacy mod changes that so you cannot.

[Ruffio]

Sometimes you need to learn to crawl before you can run.. kinda -)

[kristianjakob]

Originally posted by Action Man:

Are you using the Diplomacy mod? From what I remember, in the Vanilla game you can always make peace by buying it (it's been a while since I've done Vanilla so I don't remember). The Diplomacy mod changes that so you cannot.

No you cannot. Not if you are a kingdom.

[MiSFiT77]

I think it's safe to say you lost the war.

Sounds like you tried to peak too soon and got yer butt kicked for it. The AI does exactly what you would do, it recognises weakness and punishes it.

Best advice I've learned or seen posted. Learn the game the easier route of becoming a vassal, that way you have back up.

If you are going to go it alone, then have millions of denars in the bank before you take the plunge (3 - 4 million).

Personally. If I'm faction leader I focus gaining influence points. These are as important as money. If you have low influence then your lords will make dumb decisions that you can't prevent. Have high influence points and spend them on making everyone do what you want, not what they want.

With that in mind and in place

Try not to negotiate peace if it means you paying for it. At the very least accept a peace where no one pays. But the aim is to make them pay you, even if its a small/token amount.

Don't get hung up on owning properties. You will never keep them, unless you spend a fortune garrisoning them and upgrading them. Siege, take, loot, leave, give it away to whichever lord the game suggests.

And most importantly. Look at your diplomacy screen. It tells you the strength of your enemies army. Make this number your focus. Make that number lower before accepting peace. Castles, cities, caravans and workshops are nice. But imho that number IS the game. Get that number below 8000 and you will notice the quality of enemy armies has dropped. Get that number below 3000 and your enemy will struggle to put an army together because most of their parties are too small. At around 3000 you can switch focus to their cities and castles, because they are almost powerless to stop you. Take their cities and castles and they become extinct.

Then move on and do the same to the next faction.