Elite Cataphract don't use shields during sieges.

[Scobee Doe]

Elite Cataphract or any other units/companions that have a shield and a two handed weapon don't use their shield at all during sieges and take extremely high casualties. In field battles it's the complete opposite they will only use their shield and never use their two handed weapon unless they are on horseback.

[Lokaol 勝]

The game's AI is a bit dumb, what can we say? hahahaha

[Teralitha]

Hm... cant use a shield when you have a 2 handed sword equipped. They are probably using a 1 handed spear while on horseback, so...

The AI is not dumb after all. Working as intended.

[SJWs R TRAITORS]

Create a bug report at TW, they might look at it ?

[mors_orcusjb]

The ai is pathetic. And calling it on these forums just brings the cope squad out to defend it. Modders made a better game in a month than Tale worlds did in years but people will still defend it for not reason. Unfortunately the choices are to install mods and get an actually really good game. Or play vanilla and put up with a meh game.

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by mors_orcusjb:

The ai is pathetic. And calling it on these forums just brings the cope squad out to defend it. Modders made a better game in a month than Tale worlds did in years but people will still defend it for not reason. Unfortunately the choices are to install mods and get an actually really good game. Or play vanilla and put up with a meh game.

Not understanding how the game works doesnt mean the AI is bad. Just means you are bad.. Coming to the forums to cry about it makes you the pathetic one. So go get mods then. Thats your way of coping with being a loser.

[Scobee Doe]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Hm... cant use a shield when you have a 2 handed sword equipped. They are probably using a 1 handed spear while on horseback, so...

The AI is not dumb after all. Working as intended.

They have a two handed spear for horseback and a one handed sword. They should be using the sword and shield during a siege but instead they just keep their lance out and get killed by arrows.

[galadon3]

Is that on the beta? Cause I haven't seen that kind of behaviour. At least not as a general rule, but usually when I see cataphracts (or similar units) in siege battles they don't use lances, not playing the beta, so thats why I'm asking.
If its on the beta, might be worth a bug-report.

Oh and are you using mods?

[Scobee Doe]

Originally posted by galadon3:

Is that on the beta? Cause I haven't seen that kind of behaviour. At least not as a general rule, but usually when I see cataphracts (or similar units) in siege battles they don't use lances, not playing the beta, so thats why I'm asking.
If its on the beta, might be worth a bug-report.

Oh and are you using mods?

Not on beta and not using mods. They will not use lances once they get on the wall sometimes but when they are following the tower or ram they just let themselves get eaten by arrows. I have modded my own units in the game to further test this issue and it happens when any unit is given a two handed weapon, a one handed weapon, and a shield. One of my tests I gave a unit just a two handed weapon and a shield, when they would fight on the wall or in a field battle they would use their fists with the shield instead of the two handed weapon.

[galadon3]

Ah ok, have to take a look at that again, I usually just have my char take cover and do something else until the attack on the walls starts so might have missed them not using shelds prior to attacking the walls.^^

[Shambeh-Bambeh]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Originally posted by mors_orcusjb:

The ai is pathetic. And calling it on these forums just brings the cope squad out to defend it. Modders made a better game in a month than Tale worlds did in years but people will still defend it for not reason. Unfortunately the choices are to install mods and get an actually really good game. Or play vanilla and put up with a meh game.

Not understanding how the game works doesnt mean the AI is bad. Just means you are bad.. Coming to the forums to cry about it makes you the pathetic one. So go get mods then. Thats your way of coping with being a loser.

Do you even play the game? The Empire cataphracts use 2 handed lance and 1 handed weapon + shield. They don't use 1 handed spear.

It's obviously you that "doesn't understand how the game works".

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by Shambeh-Bambeh:

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Not understanding how the game works doesnt mean the AI is bad. Just means you are bad.. Coming to the forums to cry about it makes you the pathetic one. So go get mods then. Thats your way of coping with being a loser.

Do you even play the game? The Empire cataphracts use 2 handed lance and 1 handed weapon + shield. They don't use 1 handed spear.

It's obviously you that "doesn't understand how the game works".

I play the game lots, but I dont use empire cavalry.

Originally posted by Scobee Doe:

Originally posted by galadon3:

Is that on the beta? Cause I haven't seen that kind of behaviour. At least not as a general rule, but usually when I see cataphracts (or similar units) in siege battles they don't use lances, not playing the beta, so thats why I'm asking.
If its on the beta, might be worth a bug-report.

Oh and are you using mods?

Not on beta and not using mods. They will not use lances once they get on the wall sometimes but when they are following the tower or ram they just let themselves get eaten by arrows. I have modded my own units in the game to further test this issue and it happens when any unit is given a two handed weapon, a one handed weapon, and a shield. One of my tests I gave a unit just a two handed weapon and a shield, when they would fight on the wall or in a field battle they would use their fists with the shield instead of the two handed weapon.

If you are going to make a bug report, you cannot have modded your game at all in any way or the devs will ignore the report. If you do get a clean game its best to make a video of the bug and a save game right before a siege. These devs QA team are pretty lazy and wont make the effort to test this in their own game without making it as easy as possible for them.

[Shambeh-Bambeh]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Originally posted by Shambeh-Bambeh:

Do you even play the game? The Empire cataphracts use 2 handed lance and 1 handed weapon + shield. They don't use 1 handed spear.

It's obviously you that "doesn't understand how the game works".

I play the game lots, but I dont use empire cavalry.

You never played against empire? you never seen empire cataphracts use their 2handed lance? If you play alot as you claim, how come you never noticed that?

[[ic] OldDirtyBastard]

Originally posted by mors_orcusjb:

The ai is pathetic. And calling it on these forums just brings the cope squad out to defend it. Modders made a better game in a month than Tale worlds did in years but people will still defend it for not reason. Unfortunately the choices are to install mods and get an actually really good game. Or play vanilla and put up with a meh game.

which mods fix the AI though?

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by Shambeh-Bambeh:

Originally posted by Teralitha:

I play the game lots, but I dont use empire cavalry.

You never played against empire? you never seen empire cataphracts use their 2handed lance? If you play alot as you claim, how come you never noticed that?

I have noticed it. But the OP said they were using shields.

[ShiveringSun]

I have companions equiped with 2 sets of javelins, 1 shield and 1 2 handed axe. Jav in slot 1 and 3, shield in 2, axe in 4. They are an foot and use the shield when throwing and also use the axe. A few of them have maxxed out throwing and 2 hand weapon skills. 1.15

I think it may be important to have the jav in slot 1 so they start the battle with it equipped.