Have traits been fixed or not?

[Etruzki]

Previously playing I could not gain any traits no matter what I did, is this still the case? And how exactly can I gain trait points. If they work I have a couple of questions:

What are the gains/loss from refusing the duel with bandit hideout bosses?
How about helping artisans sell their product or helping merchants?
Do you get anything negative for giving gang leaders recruits or giving prisoners to villages for slave labor?

[xao2099]

What "traits"are you trying to get? Should be no neg effects from hideout boss fights,helping artisans or merchants could be a problem depending on their missions, i never do those, ain't worth it. And giving prisoners has no neg effects that i've seen and i'm about to be at 2400 hrs.Giving weapons and prisoners should pay and give charm, if your not getting charm you might have a problem. Are you using mods at all or cheat mode cause ,i don't,so i don't know if that could be an issue.

[Mr_Zayder]

Originally posted by Etruzki:

Previously playing I could not gain any traits no matter what I did, is this still the case? And how exactly can I gain trait points. If they work I have a couple of questions:

What are the gains/loss from refusing the duel with bandit hideout bosses?
How about helping artisans sell their product or helping merchants?
Do you get anything negative for giving gang leaders recruits or giving prisoners to villages for slave labor?

You can gain trait, my dude got honorable somehow after I lost it by raiding a village (as a cheap way to declare war)

[Ruffio]

https://mountandblade.fandom.com/wiki/Personality_Traits

Some traits take an awful long grind. Also some quests/actions will decrease stats you are working towards for as well.

[Etruzki]

Originally posted by xao2099:

What "traits"are you trying to get? Should be no neg effects from hideout boss fights,helping artisans or merchants could be a problem depending on their missions, i never do those, ain't worth it. And giving prisoners has no neg effects that i've seen and i'm about to be at 2400 hrs.Giving weapons and prisoners should pay and give charm, if your not getting charm you might have a problem. Are you using mods at all or cheat mode cause ,i don't,so i don't know if that could be an issue.

Do you know if helping gang leaders by giving them recruits has negative effects?

[Etruzki]

Originally posted by xao2099:

What "traits"are you trying to get? Should be no neg effects from hideout boss fights,helping artisans or merchants could be a problem depending on their missions, i never do those, ain't worth it. And giving prisoners has no neg effects that i've seen and i'm about to be at 2400 hrs.Giving weapons and prisoners should pay and give charm, if your not getting charm you might have a problem. Are you using mods at all or cheat mode cause ,i don't,so i don't know if that could be an issue.

and also sometimes when I give villagers prisoners to do labor some workers come to me complaining they are taking their jobs, is there anything negative about that if I split the reward with the workers?

[Etruzki]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

https://mountandblade.fandom.com/wiki/Personality_Traits

Some traits take an awful long grind. Also some quests/actions will decrease stats you are working towards for as well.

I think the wiki page is outdated. I never get the calculating trait I always free every enemy lord after battle. Also never got valor even when I win against enemy that has 200 more troops than me constantly. Every time I siege a settlement I choose to be merciful but never get the trait. I have constantly multiple types of food in my inventory to level leadership but I never get generous trait. I don't ever raid villages and am never mean to anyone when talking to them but I don't get the positive traits. I lop some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ head off that raided all my villages to no end and the entire world hates me.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Etruzki:

Originally posted by Ruffio:

https://mountandblade.fandom.com/wiki/Personality_Traits

Some traits take an awful long grind. Also some quests/actions will decrease stats you are working towards for as well.

I think the wiki page is outdated. I never get the calculating trait I always free every enemy lord after battle. Also never got valor even when I win against enemy that has 200 more troops than me constantly. Every time I siege a settlement I choose to be merciful but never get the trait. I have constantly multiple types of food in my inventory to level leadership but I never get generous trait. I don't ever raid villages and am never mean to anyone when talking to them but I don't get the positive traits. I lop some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ head off that raided all my villages to no end and the entire world hates me.

Well, as it says on the page;

Note: The trait value thresholds for each trait level are -4000 (-2), -1000 (-1), 0 (0), 1000 (1), and 4000 (2).

Mercy would need 1000 points... to get...

And when you start look at the multiple personality traits, and what is needed. There is a huge grind for some.

Execute a lord, and its -1000 pts on Honor.

Like, you would need to do the "Village need seeds" quest like 15 times to get to Mercy.

[Clovis Sangrail]

I know I have gotten traits back after losing them for starting a war,

But what I can't figure out is whether they freaking do anything.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Clovis Sangrail:

I know I have gotten traits back after losing them for starting a war,

But what I can't figure out is whether they freaking do anything.

Lords attitude towards you of same or opposite traits I guess. Something you see in the persuation game when you try to recruit lords too.

[Etruzki]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by Etruzki:

I think the wiki page is outdated. I never get the calculating trait I always free every enemy lord after battle. Also never got valor even when I win against enemy that has 200 more troops than me constantly. Every time I siege a settlement I choose to be merciful but never get the trait. I have constantly multiple types of food in my inventory to level leadership but I never get generous trait. I don't ever raid villages and am never mean to anyone when talking to them but I don't get the positive traits. I lop some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ head off that raided all my villages to no end and the entire world hates me.

Well, as it says on the page;

Note: The trait value thresholds for each trait level are -4000 (-2), -1000 (-1), 0 (0), 1000 (1), and 4000 (2).

Mercy would need 1000 points... to get...

And when you start look at the multiple personality traits, and what is needed. There is a huge grind for some.

Execute a lord, and its -1000 pts on Honor.

Like, you would need to do the "Village need seeds" quest like 15 times to get to Mercy.

For example I have 100 relation with every lord in the game because I have freed them after battle so many times. The wiki says you get 20 calculating bonus. You would need to release a lord 50 times to get the trait. Let's say you get 8 relation from releasing a lord after battle. 50x8= 400, that's 100 relations with 4 lords. Considering I have 100 relations with every lord in a kingdom in multiple different kingdoms, that is way more than 4 lords and I still have never seen that calculating trait.

[flyingscot1066]

Originally posted by Etruzki:

...The wiki says...

This might be the source of your frustration. Not saying the wiki is wrong, but it is a wiki, with all that entails.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by flyingscot1066:

Originally posted by Etruzki:

...The wiki says...

This might be the source of your frustration. Not saying the wiki is wrong, but it is a wiki, with all that entails.

Looking over what you can gain for and what you can loose points for there. I don't think it's complete. So if you are doing a lot of stuff you know you gain points for, but at same time might do things you loose points for without knowing, you just end up thread water.

[siricjr]

they need to add a xp bar for traits

i can never get a trait

only trait i can get is the one when you kill another lord

all you need do is kill 1 lord to get that trait

[Etruzki]

I did some testing with a mod that shows every trait xp you get. Turns out it is impossible to gain calculating by releasing lords. I tried to release after battle and from my prisoner list. Releasing right after battle earns you some charm and relations with the lord but releasing from the prison menu does absolutely nothing. Most quests do grant honor, weirdly though the most amount of honor you can get are the quests involving helping gang leaders. For example caravan ambush grants no honor, nor does dueling bandit camp leaders. Just freely slaughter the entire camp, refuse duels and kick them in the nuts, it doesn't matter. So far I found only one way to gain generosity and it's having every type of food in your inventory. You get 20 generosity tick every couple of days. You can get 10 mercy each time you siege a castle or a town and show mercy after battle. Lastly valor does not work in any way. No matter if you beat down an army of 100 men by yourself or win against impossible odds. There is no way to get valor currently. Also the wiki said you get generosity by telling villagers to keep their money when you help them, but you only get the honor for finishing the quest.

In summary: Valor is broken, doesn't work at all. Honor works somewhat, but it's not logical. Calculating does not work at all. Mercy works, but it's a huge grind. Generosity works.

As for the negative trait pop ups, you get -honor every time a quest fails, even if you thought you did the right thing (for example letting villagers daughter escape with his man) and -30 mercy every time you finish a village raid, but if you leave before finishing there is no penalty. So do whatever you want, just don't execute anyone, fail a quest or complete a raid on a village.

[theodora21]

Originally posted by Etruzki:

I did some testing with a mod that shows every trait xp you get

Do you get Calculating by convincing clans to join your kingdom?

Also, I've always managed to get Honorable (by doing 'Deliver the herd' quests), Merciful ('Village needs grain' quest) and Generous (food variety, but it takes years)