So pathetically shallow

[Sleepysteve]

I wanted to try this game out again. Played it for an hour and a half while listening to youtube. I LITERALLY didn't think about the game the whole time. I Wasn't presented with a single interesting decision or dilemma, was basically in a zombie like state the whole time. PLEASE open up the tools needed so modders can add actual depth to this game. IT HAS UNLIMITED POTENTIAL. But right now it is literally a battle simulator with ok graphics, and an empty husk in every single other aspect.

[Ruffio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5OdwtjILbc

Go at it tiger,. make those mods... They been out for a while, updated with fixes over time too...

[Urmel]

you can say this about every game ever made.

[Clovis Sangrail]

It's a sandbox, so it would appear shallow to the imagination-challenged.

[Sleepysteve]

Originally posted by Clovis Sangrail:

It's a sandbox, so it would appear shallow to the imagination-challenged.

You must work for TW. No one is this much of a no lifer, saw you white knighting this game on every single thread for like an actual yr plus. I have an amazing imagination. Too bad the devs of this game very clearly do not.

[stecph]

Indeed,but don't say it to the mindless fanbois.
In BL i never cared about anything or anyone.
I am playing another run in Perisno,I still feel guilty AF for having betrayed my ruler and my fellow lords in order to start my own kingdom.
Science fiction in BL.

[Sleepysteve]

Originally posted by stecph:

Indeed,but don't say it to the mindless fanbois.
In BL i never cared about anything or anyone.
I am playing another run in Perisno,I still feel guilty AF for having betrayed my ruler and my fellow lords in order to start my own kingdom.
Science fiction in BL.

The mod Nova Aetis for MB had 100 times the depth of Bannerlord, and that is no exaggeration. It is really sad.

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by Sleepysteve:

I wanted to try this game out again. Played it for an hour and a half while listening to youtube. I LITERALLY didn't think about the game the whole time. I Wasn't presented with a single interesting decision or dilemma, was basically in a zombie like state the whole time. PLEASE open up the tools needed so modders can add actual depth to this game. IT HAS UNLIMITED POTENTIAL. But right now it is literally a battle simulator with ok graphics, and an empty husk in every single other aspect.

Every game is pathetically shallow if you are not paying attention to the game and just listening to youtube and playing on autopilot. It's a sandbox grand stratagy RPG its kind of slow paced and a ton of the content is based on your actions and interactions with the game. What you did is like loading up minecraft and then spacing out and punching rocks or trees for an hour then being like omg this game is so boring nothing is happening. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. Also there are a ton of tools for modders already, and a decent amount of mods available. But if you have no patience or common sense which is what it sounds like just download warband and play mods on that they are all done and some are huge.

[Sleepysteve]

An hour and a half of doing extremely bland repetitive quests. Or spreadsheet trading. Or spam clicking crafting. The game is bland, lifeless, boring. Characters are all clones, I didn't meet a single one whose name was worth remembering. Fought in battles that had no significance whatsoever and all felt the same. The issue is the actions and interactions you have as a player in this game are wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle....I desire a lot more depth in terms of mechanics. But you are probably right and this game will never have them and will remain this lifeless pointless husk.

This is hilarious to me because I role play to an extreme in games like Rome 2 total war even. Even a game like that at least provides a frame work for something interesting. I listened to youtube because I am intelligent enough to recognize these things hadn't changed after forever in EA.. If you want to try to claim I lack common sense for thinking this. Well... You're entitled to your opinion.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Sleepysteve:

Originally posted by stecph:

Indeed,but don't say it to the mindless fanbois.
In BL i never cared about anything or anyone.
I am playing another run in Perisno,I still feel guilty AF for having betrayed my ruler and my fellow lords in order to start my own kingdom.
Science fiction in BL.

The mod Nova Aetis for MB had 100 times the depth of Bannerlord, and that is no exaggeration. It is really sad.

you could say the same thing about vanilla warband, i would not take mods as a basis for your expectations for the actual games of this series.

[Action Man]

Originally posted by Sleepysteve:

An hour and a half of doing extremely bland repetitive quests. Or spreadsheet trading. Or spam clicking crafting. The game is bland, lifeless, boring. Characters are all clones, I didn't meet a single one whose name was worth remembering. Fought in battles that had no significance whatsoever and all felt the same. The issue is the actions and interactions you have as a player in this game are wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle....I desire a lot more depth in terms of mechanics. But you are probably right and this game will never have them and will remain this lifeless pointless husk.

This is hilarious to me because I role play to an extreme in games like Rome 2 total war even. Even a game like that at least provides a frame work for something interesting. I listened to youtube because I am intelligent enough to recognize these things hadn't changed after forever in EA.. If you want to try to claim I lack common sense for thinking this. Well... You're entitled to your opinion.

Yea, I thought Skyrim was boring too.

[Innuendos]

Originally posted by Sleepysteve:

An hour and a half of doing extremely bland repetitive quests. Or spreadsheet trading. Or spam clicking crafting. The game is bland, lifeless, boring. Characters are all clones, I didn't meet a single one whose name was worth remembering. Fought in battles that had no significance whatsoever and all felt the same. The issue is the actions and interactions you have as a player in this game are wide as an ocean and deep as a puddle....I desire a lot more depth in terms of mechanics. But you are probably right and this game will never have them and will remain this lifeless pointless husk.

This is hilarious to me because I role play to an extreme in games like Rome 2 total war even. Even a game like that at least provides a frame work for something interesting. I listened to youtube because I am intelligent enough to recognize these things hadn't changed after forever in EA.. If you want to try to claim I lack common sense for thinking this. Well... You're entitled to your opinion.

youll get the usual white knight fan bois who will insult you and try to make you look dumb.

the fact of the matter is, you are correct.

nothing in this game has meaning. depth. anything noteworthy outside a mediocre battle simulation.

wait about a year... thats probably when this joke company will stop updating their 'release'.

that is when the modders will finally be able to mod, without their mods breaking every 2 weeks from ghost patches, 'updates', 'new mechanics and features', and 'bug fixes'.

[HiImTony]

I'm actually surprised about the backlash this post.

It is boring and bland. I still play it from time to time, but... they promised so much at the start, only to strip it away. then again, warband is "bland" too but I played the vanilla version throughout high-school. it's actually crazy to think about.. I started playing that game after watching the king of sweden play it back in 2013. (If you get that king of sweden reference, then you sir are a legend. and old. time flies, right?)

I did get eventually get tired of the vanilla experience, then played a few other mods and now I can't play the vanilla version anymore. however, I can play the native expansion and not get tired of it. good times....

Bannerlord is the same way to a certain extent. its been a bit since I last played it but nowadays you would think they added more systems like:
- Build your own criminal empire
- Make allies with another empire so that they fight along with you
- Have spies to see where certain lords are or have them poison a lord
- Own external property such as:
- A Mining vain
- A Coal Deposit
- A Forrest (or small subsection)
with all those you can have slaves work for you, or hire people. you'll also need to
defend it from criminals and such. some people will find all that stuff boring, but it's
there for the people who want to do that.
- Create actual a law that stop certain empires from entering / trading through your land
(they'll need to implement some from of visual thing to show the land you own. I forget
the term for it, but basically each town and city will have a "circle" around it. a
bunch of 4X games have it. if you've played distant worlds universe of Stellaris, then
you'll know what I mean. you own something, it'll create the color, get another castle
that is CLOSE and that color ((as well as your land)) will stretch to that new castle. if it's
a castle that is far, then it won't stretch and it'll only just plop a new circle around THAT
castle. get what I mean? hope so, I'm awful at explaining things.)
- Be able to ban certain items in the cities you own or raise taxes on certain items
- Have a slave market where you can buy slaves
- Be able to put whatever items you want on your own solders (if they meet the skills)
- Set your own troop tree that the troops in your garrisons will train for
This is a obvious one, but.. yeah. your recruiter will recruit from nearby towns, plop
them in your garrison and they will train till they can use the weapons and armor you
want them to wear. you set how many archers you want, fighters, etc. I don't even
remember if the recruiter thing is a mod. if it actually is and they haven't implemented
the recruiter to recruit for you, then.. wow.


I can go on and on, but you get my point. I still enjoy the game and will probably play it sometime again soon, but... yeah. it's sorta hard to compare this to other games because there isn't anything quite like it. they know that too and so they don't need to work "as" hard.

I can't wait for the upcoming year when they've improved the game even further, but am more excited to see an actual competitor to this game. I'm sure a competitor will emerge sometime soon.. I mean, the game was a massive success in 2020 in terms of sales so someone should be brewing up something. if there is someone, then we should see something about it later this year or in 2024. I hope so anyways.

sidenote: the comment below me is right. you can use your imagination, but the game itself is shallow that you really can't. you can't use your "imagination" to be a thief because there is no logic in the game to support that. you can however use your imagination to have a semblance of allies. just know that they won't fight alongside with you because... well, your character and everyone else in Calradia are super inept to ask to fight alongside with you and others. I guess you can use that statement with everything in the game. you can't steal because your character doesn't have the capacity to THINK about stealing. he can raid and all, but stealing? doesn't cross his or her mind.

[myperfectvictory]

Originally posted by Clovis Sangrail:

It's a sandbox, so it would appear shallow to the imagination-challenged.

It's an empty shell of a shallow sandbox experience. The current mods released do absolutely nothing to change that experience. There are barely any overhaul mods that are captivating enough to keep the player interested.

Imagination-challenged? First off the game presents limited options for the player to have the full experience as a ruler, vassal, thief, etc. It's all barebones. Yes, there have been patches over the months, but they ultimately did nothing to make the game better. Sieges are still broken. Workshops are still broken. Combat is still a joke. The list goes on.

The game is BORING. The people that are saying its not are the ones who have 1k+ hours clinging to every reason they can find, no matter how weak it is, to justify their game time invested in the game.

[sel]

yeah the game is pretty shallow. you are correct there is zero thought required to succeed in it. personally I just listen to a podcast while I play, you dont need to focus on anything you do in the game.
I just come back to this game time to time to see if it got any better, because it actually can be fun sometimes, it just needs to be fixed and not have gamebreaking bugs like the current version does.

[Math]

Originally posted by Mr. A:

...
The game is BORING. The people that are saying its not are the ones who have 1k+ hours clinging to every reason they can find, no matter how weak it is, to justify their game time invested in the game.

I have 1020 hours, and in my opinion Bannerlord is a template for a good game with minimal progression from the start of early access. Moreover it seems to me nothing will change globally in this game and it will stay an unfinished template forever.