Winning the war, still pay tribute?

[thecrimsoncavalier]

How does tribute paying work in the game? I have absolutely devastated another kingdom, and I am looking to finally end the war, and I am only set to make 460 gold per day, despite the fact that I have:

1800 to their 230 strength
1000 to their 350 casualties inflicted
10 prisoners to their 0

We have been at war for 160 days. Can someone explain how this can be so one-sided and I'm only looking to make pennies?

How does this tribute thing work? What is it based off?

[druzilsupreme]

If you own their territory it motivates them to keep fighting.

[Sleepysteve]

Diplomacy is one of the most fundamentally broken aspects of this game and is why it is still unplayable for me. I was really expecting modders to fix it by now, and the fact that they haven't means they probably cant. This game has become an all time let down for me.

[thecrimsoncavalier]

Originally posted by druzilsupreme:

If you own their territory it motivates them to keep fighting.

Alright, fair enough. Here's a follow up. If they have zero cities, and they are imprisoned in my dungeons, how do they afford to hire mercenaries?

[Action Man]

Someone on this forum has made the comment that each faction has a 'hidden' bank account they can dip into. Once that gets depleted, then they are broke. I can't speak to the truth of it, but I have seen that eventually, they run out of money and can't do squat.

And as others have pointed out, just because a force is getting beat down doesn't mean they're going to capitulate to their foe. If anything, the higher the tribute, the faster they're going to declare on you again.

Once you end that war, all those imprisoned lords are going to be out again, so keep that in mind.

[makky07]

Originally posted by Action Man:

Someone on this forum has made the comment that each faction has a 'hidden' bank account they can dip into. Once that gets depleted, then they are broke. I can't speak to the truth of it, but I have seen that eventually, they run out of money and can't do squat.

And as others have pointed out, just because a force is getting beat down doesn't mean they're going to capitulate to their foe. If anything, the higher the tribute, the faster they're going to declare on you again.

Once you end that war, all those imprisoned lords are going to be out again, so keep that in mind.

Worst yet I don't understand how a faction can buy out another high end lord to change sides when they have no income....I had a great lord in my faction and he had 0 enemies within the faction and great relations. He jumped ship out of nowhere and took his town with him which then gave the other faction a place to recruit and is currently a pain in our Battanions side on the side of the map that was tucked away from everything and peaceful...now it's drawn most of our factions armies and I'm trying to hold off the other end of the map🙄

[thecrimsoncavalier]

I don't like it, but I accept it.

I wanted to keep them in the dungeon long enough that they would eventually agree to pay me money, but every time they hired a new merc group, it switched back over to ME paying THEM until I defeated enough mercs to reverse it. It got tiresome so I ransomed them all for a ton of cash then agreed peace and they pay me 400 per day.

It's not what I wanted, and I think they got the better end of the bargain, especially considered THEY declared on me. But such is politics in Calradia, I suppose.

[Iskar]

The tribute is not a reward/penalty for how the war went up to now, but reflects in whose interest it is to make peace now.
The only time I saw an enemy faction offering me a substantial amount (8000 a day), was when my faction had broken the Southern Empire's offensive, imprisoned most of their lords and all their fiefs lay there ready for the taking. Of course at that point it was much better for me to take their fiefs than the paltry tribute, and with every fief taken the tribute offered diminished because the "fight to retake" incentive started to outweigh the "make peace to keep our fiefs" incentive on the enemy side.

[thecrimsoncavalier]

Originally posted by Iskar:

The tribute is not a reward/penalty for how the war went up to now, but reflects in whose interest it is to make peace now.
The only time I saw an enemy faction offering me a substantial amount (8000 a day), was when my faction had broken the Southern Empire's offensive, imprisoned most of their lords and all their fiefs lay there ready for the taking. Of course at that point it was much better for me to take their fiefs than the paltry tribute, and with every fief taken the tribute offered diminished because the "fight to retake" incentive started to outweigh the "make peace to keep our fiefs" incentive on the enemy side.

This makes the most sense, because based on battle results, it definitely did not make sense.

I’d also like to point out that I wish there was a way to offer peace to an enemy with terms. Make peace with you, return to status quo, or release of prisoners in exchange for previously captured fiefs, or for money, etc.

I think that would make it a lot more dynamic from a player’s perspective.

[bloodymonarch]

The only way this gets fixed is through unpaid labor. You guessed it, modders. Turkey is making servitude great again. The middle east loves some unpaid labor.

[Ruffio]

You take all their land, then expect them to pay you to leave you alone? No fiefs, no income. No real incentive there to end the war to pay you on top. They have nothing left to loose right? History is full of examples of hostiles being paid off. Like Alfred of Wessex paid of the vikings.

[Urmel]

why anybody should care if one clan with no fiefs is at war with me and want gold?
this 1 or 2 clans can call herself a faction or kingdom, but it doesnt matter.

this problem is only when you play vassal (not king) and cant recruit the clans from the defeated faction/kingdom.

[thecrimsoncavalier]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

You take all their land, then expect them to pay you to leave you alone? No fiefs, no income. No real incentive there to end the war to pay you on top. They have nothing left to loose right? History is full of examples of hostiles being paid off. Like Alfred of Wessex paid of the vikings.

I mean, yes. They started the war. So yeah, I expect them to be really sorry they messed with me.

Joking aside, even before this, despite the fact that I was winning, the "reparations" were in their favor. This was before I imprisoned their entire clan, took their fiefs, etc.

It just didn't make much sense how the losing faction could still get money. I would have just as soon asked for peace as soon as the war started. It was not a good time for me, yet I ended up winning.

[Iskar]

The tributes aren't war reparations. That's the fundamental misconception in your argument. Instead, they are a kind of "fee" paid by the side with lower incentive to continue fighting to the side wirh higher incentive to continue fighting. If your enemy has very few or even no fiefs left, they have nothing left to lose, so it will almost always be in their interest to continue the fight.
Your only way to flip that fee to your advantage is imprisoning so many of the remaining enemy lords and ladies that the value of getting them freed on peace declaration outweighs the positive albeit small chance of retaking any of their fiefs.

[Hasbulat]

The gaame isnt about the winning the war, but about making the war.