So this game is clearly never getting finished.

[Thegallowman]

I keep trying to come back to this game, but always get halted at an infinite loop. There never seems to be a way to prepare for anything- all workshops are permanently level 1, I don't even know why they even bother putting a level system in their at all. The caravans that should GIVE you money actually cost more to even support and just end up getting captured regardless, Workshops, to my knowledge, give actual pennies every in-game year. The only people I see have actual fun in this game, or actually get anywhere, are those who just kill kill kill kill kill. Don't think about anything other than just killing every single npc you come across. Relations don't matter- they'll never join you anyways untill you have 20x the entire worlds budget, fiefs don't matter, costing you thousands and thousands each day ensuring that you never get anywhere. This games old enough to count on it no longer being supported and it's just a real shame. There was so much this game could have been, and that's proven with mods. I just don't feel that a game developer should solely rely on it's fanbase to finish their game. I wanted to actual reunite the clans and regions, but the game's AI does everything in it's power to keep you locked in a permanent loop where you remain poor, in debt, or hated by every other clan.

Does anybody else know about this, or am I the only one?

[djo1313]

I'm app. ten years into my current game. I've started my own kingdom and now have 7 towns and 7 castles and 4 clans in my faction. Caravans are for role players who don't go to war often. I have 6 workshops which in total give me an average of 1200 dinars a day, with no micro-managing, and 1.5 million dinars in the bank. No mods or cheats, although I do play with personal damage and speed set to very easy for enjoyment purposes, everything else on the toughest setting. I have killed no lords. Either catch and release for relations or hold as prisoners to weaken the enemy.

It appears that the permanent loop you are locked into is the one that keeps you from learning how to play the game.

[Action Man]

There never seems to be a way to prepare for anything- all workshops are permanently level 1
I think I recall something about the possibility for workshops to expand in EA, but nothing came of it. They make money quite easily as is, not sure what leveling them up would do.

The caravans that should GIVE you money actually cost more to even support and just end up getting captured regardless, Workshops, to my knowledge, give actual pennies every in-game year.
Caravans are great when you aren't part of a faction. No one bothers them. Bandit parties big enough to attack are usually too slow to catch them. Easy, free money.

Workshops require a small amount of planning. They print money. I would suggest learning how best to utilize them to maximize returns.

Neither of these features are high risk unless the player chooses to increase that risk with their actions. As such, the payout should be low.

The only people I see have actual fun in this game, or actually get anywhere, are those who just kill kill kill kill kill.

This game is a fun battle simulator with enough systems stitched together to make it a game. I would absolutely love more depth to more features, but if you want a more fulfilling mercantile experience, I'd suggest something else.

Relations don't matter- they'll never join you anyways untill you have 20x the entire worlds budget, fiefs don't matter, costing you thousands and thousands each day ensuring that you never get anywhere.

Enemy lords I have high relations with don't raid my villages, which is super duper handy. Allied lords don't tend to rebel. Yes, clans are expensive to buy, especially higher tier. However, I've picked up Tier 5 clans for less than 100k with high relations, and recruiting them from a situation they don't like.

If your fiefs aren't making money, you aren't managing them correctly. I suggest learning how to properly manage them. Yes it's tedious, but if you're losing money long term, that's on you.

This games old enough to count on it no longer being supported and it's just a real shame. There was so much this game could have been, and that's proven with mods.

There's literally a patch being worked on in the beta right now. Quite a few complaints are coming up specifically BECAUSE the game is still being actively worked on, which tends to break mods. Now if you don't like the content TW is making for this game, that's a valid position to have.

I wanted to actual reunite the clans and regions, but the game's AI does everything in it's power to keep you locked in a permanent loop where you remain poor, in debt, or hated by every other clan.

I agree the game is geared towards perpetual conflict. When the latest patch hits live, factions will now disappear when they lose all their fiefs. Clans will either join another faction or die out.

I agree the endgame gets boring. Once I hit the "I am inevitable" part, I lose interest fast. I still have lots of fun with the game - and I use mods as well. I certainly couldn't put as many hours into straight vanilla.

[PotatoScav]

Originally posted by djo1313:

I'm app. ten years into my current game. I've started my own kingdom and now have 7 towns and 7 castles and 4 clans in my faction. Caravans are for role players who don't go to war often. I have 6 workshops which in total give me an average of 1200 dinars a day, with no micro-managing, and 1.5 million dinars in the bank. No mods or cheats, although I do play with personal damage and speed set to very easy for enjoyment purposes, everything else on the toughest setting. I have killed no lords. Either catch and release for relations or hold as prisoners to weaken the enemy.

It appears that the permanent loop you are locked into is the one that keeps you from learning how to play the game.

Get killed by a random javelin. Whole game deleted lmao

[lupinemaxx]

Bannerlord has become quite the disappointment, hasn't it? I purchased it June 2020 and had my mind blown. It was a beautiful sequel to one of the greatest titles ever conceived. Too bad, huh?

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by Thegallowman:

I keep trying to come back to this game, but always get halted at an infinite loop. There never seems to be a way to prepare for anything- all workshops are permanently level 1, I don't even know why they even bother putting a level system in their at all. The caravans that should GIVE you money actually cost more to even support and just end up getting captured regardless, Workshops, to my knowledge, give actual pennies every in-game year. The only people I see have actual fun in this game, or actually get anywhere, are those who just kill kill kill kill kill. Don't think about anything other than just killing every single npc you come across. Relations don't matter- they'll never join you anyways untill you have 20x the entire worlds budget, fiefs don't matter, costing you thousands and thousands each day ensuring that you never get anywhere. This games old enough to count on it no longer being supported and it's just a real shame. There was so much this game could have been, and that's proven with mods. I just don't feel that a game developer should solely rely on it's fanbase to finish their game. I wanted to actual reunite the clans and regions, but the game's AI does everything in it's power to keep you locked in a permanent loop where you remain poor, in debt, or hated by every other clan.

Does anybody else know about this, or am I the only one?

To put it simply... you are wrong about everything. But lets double check to be sure...

Hmm... nope, not one thing you said was accurate.

[Thegallowman]

I still stand by what I said. There's a lot missing to this game and you can defend the last of your paycheck you spent on it all you want. I had a blast with the game until I felt stuck in the games chaotic economics and politics. I got mad as hell that no matter what it seemed that I did, I couldn't progress. I took the advice action man and yea, there was definitely a learning curve- HOWEVER that still doesn't subtract that there are glaring issues and unfinished ideas. I really like money management kinds of games, i grew up playing all the fable games specifically because i liked the idea of constant revenue or whatever, the idea was nifty to me. I poured a lot of focus on systems that I did not know where and have been unfinished until much later in my play through. I do understand that there are many mechanics and factors that come into play when it comes to income, but when everypost i see about "How do I improve my workshop? I'm level one I just wanted to see how to level it up?" You can't.

I can accept that I may just be a ♥♥♥♥ player,
But I won't accept being wrong over systems that are fundamentally broken.

[Action Man]

Anyone looking to this game for anything besides a battle sim is going to have a bad time. I don't necessarily agree with the game being unfinished, but most systems have little to no depth. From what I've read in the dev blogs, the systems that are in the game resemble the goals TW set. However, these systems function just enough to get the player to the next battle.

If the battles aren't drawing you in, then you most likely won't enjoy your time. That's always unfortunate.

[Teralitha]

Ok so... your main complaint is not enough passive income. Have you tried smithing yet? Have you tried raising rogery skill yet? Those are 2 ways to make alot of money. Smithing doesnt involve any combat whatsoever. First thing I do in my campaigns is visit the practice arena to make money to buy smithing materials. Master smithing and money will never be an issue ever again. Best place to do this is at seonon, in battania. It has 3 hardwood villages delivering hardwood every day. For iron ore you go to manerath next door. There is no better place to start out as a smith in the world. And ther are 2 more hardwood vilages by the other battanian towns as well. You use tons of hardwood for smithing.

[Seth.]

...this game without mods or without bringing anything good to it ....it's just a dead game, at some point all you do is fight. ...that all!!!!

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by Seth.:

...this game without mods or without bringing anything good to it ....it's just a dead game, at some point all you do is fight. ...that all!!!!

False.

[Seth.]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Originally posted by Seth.:

...this game without mods or without bringing anything good to it ....it's just a dead game, at some point all you do is fight. ...that all!!!!

False.

...i hawe 1700 + hours in game,i know what i say.

[djo1313]

Originally posted by Seth.:

Originally posted by Teralitha:

False.

...i hawe 1700 + hours in game,i know what i say.

You apparently don't know the difference between opinion and fact. And how many hours of entertainment do you expect for 50 bucks?

[Seth.]

Originally posted by djo1313:

Originally posted by Seth.:

...i hawe 1700 + hours in game,i know what i say.

You apparently don't know the difference between opinion and fact. And how many hours of entertainment do you expect for 50 bucks?

...it is clear, it seems that you are from the group of closed minds who do not know what a game is and what it should contain! ...of 50 euros in my case....the game doesn't offer anything anymore....maybe only beautiful landscapes! ...okay??!!

[Teralitha]

Originally posted by Seth.:

Originally posted by Teralitha:

False.

...i hawe 1700 + hours in game,i know what i say.

Then you should know that doing nothing but non stop combat is a way to fail in taking over the world. Even the AI knows when to stop fighting. And btw I have around 1400 hours myself, so its not like I cant tell you are lying.

[djo1313]

Originally posted by Seth.:

Originally posted by djo1313:

You apparently don't know the difference between opinion and fact. And how many hours of entertainment do you expect for 50 bucks?

...it is clear, it seems that you are from the group of closed minds who do not know what a game is and what it should contain! ...of 50 euros in my case....the game doesn't offer anything anymore....maybe only beautiful landscapes! ...okay??!!

Damn, angered another child.