Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord

Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord

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Snidy 2023 年 6 月 7 日 下午 5:19
still no update?
this drought has been very depressing. Told myself i wouldn't come back after the last update bugged smithing and made siege ai worse
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Angelus Mortis 2023 年 6 月 9 日 下午 1:49 
I also enjoy the people that want big updates and yet expects them within a month. Not even major studios can turn out big updates anywhere near that fast and people think a small studio can do it. It's just so ignorant and stupid.
justfaded 2023 年 6 月 9 日 下午 4:12 
引用自 DaniTheHero
引用自 justfaded
This is funny because every update that breaks mods brings in tons of people who think they're updating too much.

This isn't a perfect game but this is one of the whiniest boards on steam and that's saying something.

What point are you trying to make here?
The fact that the most insignificant patches that barely add a single icon into the UI manage to break nearly every single mod is proof of how sad the development of the game is and how messy the code for it is.
You're a whiner, that's my point.
xao2099 2023 年 6 月 9 日 下午 4:16 
引用自 justfaded
引用自 DaniTheHero

What point are you trying to make here?
The fact that the most insignificant patches that barely add a single icon into the UI manage to break nearly every single mod is proof of how sad the development of the game is and how messy the code for it is.
You're a whiner, that's my point.

Lol, YUP... he's either trolling or just likes to argue
DaniTheHero 2023 年 6 月 10 日 上午 2:12 
引用自 justfaded
引用自 DaniTheHero

What point are you trying to make here?
The fact that the most insignificant patches that barely add a single icon into the UI manage to break nearly every single mod is proof of how sad the development of the game is and how messy the code for it is.
You're a whiner, that's my point.

Yet does not disprove in the slightest what I was saying.
People like you are the reason why the game developers got away with YEARS of early access consisting of almost zero changes.

There is a reason why the game that had over 200k players on release, could not retain even 80% of that after just ONE month.
Why it never had an actual increase in player base other than when it went "full release", where some people tried the game again(numbers weren't even a quarter of the original release), saw there was literally nothing different about it and left it again shortly after.

A game that has zero competition,is by design supposed to be very replayable, is not actually niche at all since it's on paper ticking boxes for so many type of players (RPG, Real time strategy combat, Medieval theme, economy and land management, etc) yet it has zero growth or real public interest.

Why? because in reality, There’s zero mechanical depth or rp in the game.
Diplomacy sucks (non existent), companions suck, quests suck, free roaming is pointless, owning fiefs sucks, loyalty “mechanic” in fiefs is hot garbage, combat is outdated by at least a decade,
nearly any semblance of difficulty is artificial as everything relies on modifiers ( more or less damage taken, easier or harder to recruit and so on), sieges suck, AI is an absolute disaster, commands suck, world progression is horrible(characters don’t properly repopulate the world, so after a generation and especially with hero deaths allowed, the game becomes dead and unplayable), traits still don’t matter or don’t properly work, policies are practically impossible to pass within genuine gameplay, the graphics suck, and so much more.

Because the devs failed me, and you and everyone. But unlike most people in any field that just walk away when they are disappointed, I prefer to speak up about it, and obviously the people that succumb to play the same Demo for 3 years with their sunk cost fallacy will defend their position forever.

If every person that quit the game and held my opinion posted about it like I do, your shilling wouldn't even been seen among the hoard of complaints.

What's funny is that you don't even have any reason to defend the game the way you do, you gain NOTHING out of it. Either nothing changes and you get to keep playing your empty dead game, or due to public pressure some explanations or actual updates will occur. You have no "lose" scenario in this. Proving that you are just a shill.
最後修改者:DaniTheHero; 2023 年 6 月 10 日 上午 2:46
Ruffio 2023 年 6 月 10 日 上午 4:51 
引用自 DaniTheHero
引用自 justfaded
You're a whiner, that's my point.

Yet does not disprove in the slightest what I was saying.
People like you are the reason why the game developers got away with YEARS of early access consisting of almost zero changes.

There is a reason why the game that had over 200k players on release, could not retain even 80% of that after just ONE month..

Look at the bright side, they done much better than Elden Ring then, as that had a peak of almost a million 15 months ago and down to 25-26k now... right?

Do you keep play the very first game you ever played every day? Doubt it. Since I first purchased Bannerlord I probably bought another 20+ games. Now the latest fad is D4, The daily peak of players today is not the exact same people of last week, last month, or who will be next week.

Whiners was the reason Bannerlord went into early access to start with -)
justfaded 2023 年 6 月 10 日 上午 8:26 
引用自 DaniTheHero
引用自 justfaded
You're a whiner, that's my point.

Yet does not disprove in the slightest what I was saying.
People like you are the reason why the game developers got away with YEARS of early access consisting of almost zero changes.

There is a reason why the game that had over 200k players on release, could not retain even 80% of that after just ONE month.
Why it never had an actual increase in player base other than when it went "full release", where some people tried the game again(numbers weren't even a quarter of the original release), saw there was literally nothing different about it and left it again shortly after.

A game that has zero competition,is by design supposed to be very replayable, is not actually niche at all since it's on paper ticking boxes for so many type of players (RPG, Real time strategy combat, Medieval theme, economy and land management, etc) yet it has zero growth or real public interest.

Why? because in reality, There’s zero mechanical depth or rp in the game.
Diplomacy sucks (non existent), companions suck, quests suck, free roaming is pointless, owning fiefs sucks, loyalty “mechanic” in fiefs is hot garbage, combat is outdated by at least a decade,
nearly any semblance of difficulty is artificial as everything relies on modifiers ( more or less damage taken, easier or harder to recruit and so on), sieges suck, AI is an absolute disaster, commands suck, world progression is horrible(characters don’t properly repopulate the world, so after a generation and especially with hero deaths allowed, the game becomes dead and unplayable), traits still don’t matter or don’t properly work, policies are practically impossible to pass within genuine gameplay, the graphics suck, and so much more.

Because the devs failed me, and you and everyone. But unlike most people in any field that just walk away when they are disappointed, I prefer to speak up about it, and obviously the people that succumb to play the same Demo for 3 years with their sunk cost fallacy will defend their position forever.

If every person that quit the game and held my opinion posted about it like I do, your shilling wouldn't even been seen among the hoard of complaints.

What's funny is that you don't even have any reason to defend the game the way you do, you gain NOTHING out of it. Either nothing changes and you get to keep playing your empty dead game, or due to public pressure some explanations or actual updates will occur. You have no "lose" scenario in this. Proving that you are just a shill.
Why is it up to me to disprove anything you whine about? Whiners generally get ignored, not engaged with. By the way I only read like the first 3 sentences of your reply.
DaniTheHero 2023 年 6 月 10 日 上午 9:34 
引用自 justfaded
引用自 DaniTheHero

Yet does not disprove in the slightest what I was saying.
People like you are the reason why the game developers got away with YEARS of early access consisting of almost zero changes.

There is a reason why the game that had over 200k players on release, could not retain even 80% of that after just ONE month.
Why it never had an actual increase in player base other than when it went "full release", where some people tried the game again(numbers weren't even a quarter of the original release), saw there was literally nothing different about it and left it again shortly after.

A game that has zero competition,is by design supposed to be very replayable, is not actually niche at all since it's on paper ticking boxes for so many type of players (RPG, Real time strategy combat, Medieval theme, economy and land management, etc) yet it has zero growth or real public interest.

Why? because in reality, There’s zero mechanical depth or rp in the game.
Diplomacy sucks (non existent), companions suck, quests suck, free roaming is pointless, owning fiefs sucks, loyalty “mechanic” in fiefs is hot garbage, combat is outdated by at least a decade,
nearly any semblance of difficulty is artificial as everything relies on modifiers ( more or less damage taken, easier or harder to recruit and so on), sieges suck, AI is an absolute disaster, commands suck, world progression is horrible(characters don’t properly repopulate the world, so after a generation and especially with hero deaths allowed, the game becomes dead and unplayable), traits still don’t matter or don’t properly work, policies are practically impossible to pass within genuine gameplay, the graphics suck, and so much more.

Because the devs failed me, and you and everyone. But unlike most people in any field that just walk away when they are disappointed, I prefer to speak up about it, and obviously the people that succumb to play the same Demo for 3 years with their sunk cost fallacy will defend their position forever.

If every person that quit the game and held my opinion posted about it like I do, your shilling wouldn't even been seen among the hoard of complaints.

What's funny is that you don't even have any reason to defend the game the way you do, you gain NOTHING out of it. Either nothing changes and you get to keep playing your empty dead game, or due to public pressure some explanations or actual updates will occur. You have no "lose" scenario in this. Proving that you are just a shill.
Why is it up to me to disprove anything you whine about? Whiners generally get ignored, not engaged with. By the way I only read like the first 3 sentences of your reply.

It’s best to ignore people like you.
Core 2023 年 6 月 11 日 上午 6:38 
I'm happy with the current pace. Others seems to be too, since I am not seeing any threads with blowing up playthroughs etc.
Maybe they will finally fix the ancient problems. Tweaks that were poking around siege and AI were obviously not working.
最後修改者:Core; 2023 年 6 月 11 日 上午 6:40
Action Man 2023 年 6 月 11 日 上午 6:50 
引用自 DaniTheHero
obviously the people that succumb to play the same Demo for 3 years with their sunk cost fallacy will defend their position forever.

This right here is why there's no point in really engaging with you. You've already decided that anyone that disagrees with you, or just likes the game, is wrong.

Of course, here I am engaging with you, so there's that. :)

If every person that quit the game and held my opinion posted about it like I do, your shilling wouldn't even been seen among the hoard of complaints.

This is a very big "if". Players don't stick around for games. You can see it in achievement trackers. Many games have a decent to high percentage of the intro achievements being acquired. Then it drops off. Is your position that everyone (or at least a significant number) that is not currently playing this game shares your mindset? I can't really tell based on your sentence.
DaniTheHero 2023 年 6 月 11 日 上午 7:28 
引用自 Action Man
引用自 DaniTheHero
obviously the people that succumb to play the same Demo for 3 years with their sunk cost fallacy will defend their position forever.

This right here is why there's no point in really engaging with you. You've already decided that anyone that disagrees with you, or just likes the game, is wrong.

Of course, here I am engaging with you, so there's that. :)

If every person that quit the game and held my opinion posted about it like I do, your shilling wouldn't even been seen among the hoard of complaints.

This is a very big "if". Players don't stick around for games. You can see it in achievement trackers. Many games have a decent to high percentage of the intro achievements being acquired. Then it drops off. Is your position that everyone (or at least a significant number) that is not currently playing this game shares your mindset? I can't really tell based on your sentence.

What I am saying is that the frequency and contents of the updates for the game are horrendous. And I'm saying that the vast majority of people that played the game, and ones that still do, are disappointed with the frequency and the contents of the updates.

Most just don't bother complaining about it in the forums, especially not anymore. There's only so long you can complain about a game until you give up when nothing is really being changed, and when the same 3 people deflect literally everything that is being said.

Ruffio literally has over a thousand comments on the forum, probably spent far more time on here than actually playing the game, just to tell people that literally any grievance they have with the game is wrong. This isn't an hyperbole, you can check it yourself quite easily.

In the end, people simply don't have an alternative. There simply isn't any other game(other than the previous release), that allows them to have that certain experience that they get here, the open world/free roam army leading where you can participate in the battles themselves and they get include up to 1000 soldiers in vanilla so they are quite literally 'stuck' here if this is the type of game they were looking for.

There's a reason why Warband still has like 5k concurrent people, there's plenty of people that either returned after being disappointed or saw no reason to upgrade after seeing what's bannerlord is all about.

I already mentioned multiple times what everyone knows is missing or doesn't work well in the game.
最後修改者:DaniTheHero; 2023 年 6 月 15 日 下午 12:09
Ruffio 2023 年 6 月 11 日 上午 8:16 
引用自 DaniTheHero
What I am saying is that the frequency and contents of the updates for the game are horrendous. And I'm saying that the vast majority of people that played the game, and ones that still do, are disappointed with the frequency and the contents of the updates.
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Last major update was March 1st. After that we got 4 minor updates. There is currently a major one in the pipe. Check the activity on the steam deposits.

For someone that doesn't even play the game, you care an awful lot about those that does..
Action Man 2023 年 6 月 11 日 上午 8:33 
引用自 DaniTheHero
What I am saying is that the frequency and contents of the updates for the game are horrendous. And I'm saying that the vast majority of people that played the game, and ones that still do, are disappointed with the frequency and the contents of the updates.

And you have the numbers to back this up? The last article I found was from June 2022 that showed 3+ million copies sold. Depending on your definition of 'vast', that's quite a lot of people you are claiming stopped playing because of your reasons. Care to show your work?

Most just don't bother complaining about it in the forums, especially not anymore. There's only so long you can complain about a game until you give up when nothing is really being changed, and when the same 3 people deflect literally everything that is being said.

Same as above. Show your work. I am quite sure you can point to individuals that back up your claim. However, when you start claiming that the majority/vast majority share your view, I'd like to see the receipts to back it up. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm not saying you're right either.

Ruffio literally has over a thousand comments on the forum, probably spent far more time on here than actually playing the game, just to tell people that literally any grievance they have with the game is wrong. This isn't an hyperbole, you can check it yourself quite easily.

O...k? Not really sure what your point here is.

In the end, people simply don't have an alternative. There simply isn't any other game(other than the previous release), that allows them to have that certain experience that they get here, the open world/free roam army leading where you can participate in the battles themselves and they get include up to 1000 soldiers in vanilla so they are quite literally 'stuck' here if this is the type of game they were looking for.

I agree with you on many of your points. While I don't go so far to say the features suck, I definitely find them rather lackluster. That's why I use mods. Also, I would advise checking the dev blogs they have made over the development of this game. From everything I have read, what's in the game matches their vision. If you don't like that vision, that's a completely valid position to have. I don't agree with the concept that devs must change their vision/scope for the game to appease me, or even the vast majority. They make the game they want. Would I love a game with these types of mechanics, but more fleshed out, a more open world, more RP, etc.? Damn right I would.

There's a reason why Warband still has like 5k daily people, there's plenty of people that either returned after being disappointed or saw no reason to upgrade after seeing what's bannerlord is all about.

I already mentioned multiple times what everyone knows is missing or doesn't work well in the game.

According to the dev blogs, I don't see much 'missing' from the game. I tend to see player expectations were higher than they should have been. Then these players are upset because the devs aren't meeting their expectations. That's just a recipe for disappointment, as it seems you have discovered.

Wanting more from the game is good. I would love to see more studios make this type of game, and keep pushing what we can do.
Machiavelli 2023 年 6 月 11 日 下午 2:45 
They've literally been updating the game since 2020 and it's been released. Just be patient. Obviously the updates are going to slow down. Maybe people who don't know how to mod their games will cry less since they complained the game was getting updated too much, Lo.
最後修改者:Machiavelli; 2023 年 6 月 11 日 下午 2:47
skboa 2023 年 6 月 12 日 下午 3:55 
Funny topic. I guess most people here haven't been around when early access started, or even just before the "full release", because otherwise they'd know how many features have been removed, how many promises have been made and broken. How many lies have been told.
The devs have been active lately because they had to, the game was (and still is) clearly unfinished at "full release", so of course they want to make a good impression to the new players that came with the release.
It's still funny though, that the biggest update to-date was the one right before release, after years of code-swapping and playing around.
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