woo hoo, trade level 300

[ShepherdOfCats]

It took 20 in-game years with the last 30 or so levels almost exclusively spent riding between towns to buy low/sell high. I have 7 children and a governor spouse who doesn't know I exist (I had to leave him behind because I felt like I had too many children, I'm playing on vanilla and I've never had so many children).

I want to purchase a city so I ask for Sanala which has a prosperity of 13,000+ and the sultan wants all my 5.7 million denars and everything in my inventory and it is still not enough.

I am big sad and will have to probably lower my goals a bit. But I will never trade so much a piece of grain again.

[ShadowFox]

That is a huge amount of prosperity it will probably be around 15mil I would guess

[Clovis Sangrail]

Way to go. Congrats.

As soon as one of your children hits 18, put him/her in charge of a caravan. A companion in charge of a caravan levels Trade faster than your main char. Once he/she hits 300 Trade, make him/her a governor and let this child be your heir. That way, your ability to buy fiefs continues on unbroken.

I assume you are Aserai, correct? Husn Fulk is often cheap because its prosperity has been affected by constantly changing hands. If you bring it peace and stability, it will grow.

Congrats also on the seven kids. More proof that the naysayers who say you can't have more than 2 kids now are terribly, terribly wrong. (See here -- https://steamcommunity.com/app/261550/discussions/0/3815159923592011269/)

I think that seven kids is enough for the Indiscriminate Breeding achievement, a.k.a. Minor Clan.

[ShepherdOfCats]

I have 3 fiefs under my control (bought a castle for about a million and another castle for about 2.2 million). They're way more expensive than I thought they'd be. I'm trying to decide now if I want to form my own kingdom but you're right about Husn Fulq being in the thick of things (I snatched it from some rebels a while ago and until now it had been my only territory). I expect I will be attacked immediately by either the Khuzaits or the Southern Empire which now controls about half the center empire cities. It is about 4,500 prosperity right now. I even tried trading it and my castles for Sanala but even still I don't have enough gold. I'd rather not form a kingdom that borders 3 hostile factions. Alternatively I could become a vassal of the Aserai but I don't know if that means I'll lose the 3800 influence I've stockpiled (thanks to also leveling charm I'm getting +5 influence/day on top of what I get from my city buildings and supporters). If I get to keep my influence then I'll pretty much be able to do whatever I want.

I'm also apparently not getting achievements on the beta branch. Playing on ironman so no screw-ups allowed.

[kristianjakob]

Originally posted by ShepherdOfCats:

I have 3 fiefs under my control (bought a castle for about a million and another castle for about 2.2 million). They're way more expensive than I thought they'd be. I'm trying to decide now if I want to form my own kingdom but you're right about Husn Fulq being in the thick of things (I snatched it from some rebels a while ago and until now it had been my only territory). I expect I will be attacked immediately by either the Khuzaits or the Southern Empire which now controls about half the center empire cities. It is about 4,500 prosperity right now. I even tried trading it and my castles for Sanala but even still I don't have enough gold. I'd rather not form a kingdom that borders 3 hostile factions. Alternatively I could become a vassal of the Aserai but I don't know if that means I'll lose the 3800 influence I've stockpiled (thanks to also leveling charm I'm getting +5 influence/day on top of what I get from my city buildings and supporters). If I get to keep my influence then I'll pretty much be able to do whatever I want.

I'm also apparently not getting achievements on the beta branch. Playing on ironman so no screw-ups allowed.

you will keep the influence you have accumulated if you choose join a faction. It is the one interesting effect of the charm perk.

[Endeavor]

i think they made trading perk levelling so slow because people were speedrunning by purchasing everything. even tho i have leveling rebalance which makes the levelling quite fast compared to vanilla still trade perk slow as f.

[ShepherdOfCats]

Well I created the kingdom and I beat back the Aserai but the Southern Empire just holds too much territory. My army is being replenished mostly by prisoners while Rhagea's nobles keep escaping and coming back with more troops. I'm thinking I might have to abdicate the kingdom and buy some castles again and stay 'non kingdom' or go vassal of the Aserai. But at least I can buy my way to victory.

[lar unuruur]

before making a kingdom, you should have riding and scouting perks at 225, to get lords escape chance zero. that way you can beat ANY power no matter how strong they are, just by imprisoning one after another.

i tried to get trade to 300, had no patience anymore at some point, especially knowing how easy is to beat game conventional way. main problem - at around 5-7 years in campaign there was nothing to trade, prices even everywhere.
ps. what did you trade at that time?
pps. and what version of the game?
ppps. and make peace with south, instead of wasting time fighting them now. rule - go to war only with whom you want and when you want, buy peace otherwise.

[ShepherdOfCats]

Originally posted by lar unuruur:

before making a kingdom, you should have riding and scouting perks at 225, to get lords escape chance zero. that way you can beat ANY power no matter how strong they are, just by imprisoning one after another.

i tried to get trade to 300, had no patience anymore at some point, especially knowing how easy is to beat game conventional way. main problem - at around 5-7 years in campaign there was nothing to trade, prices even everywhere.
ps. what did you trade at that time?
pps. and what version of the game?
ppps. and make peace with south, instead of wasting time fighting them now. rule - go to war only with whom you want and when you want, buy peace otherwise.

Version: Latest beta branch.

It took me 20 years in game to hit 300 but only after about level 275 was I almost exclusively trading.

Sanala, the 13,000 prosperity town I wanted to buy, was basically my 'drop off' point. It had the highest sell-prices on the map for . . . just about everything. I don't believe it was ever attacked in my current game, so it just grew and grew. It was a painstaking effort but most of the time towards the end I was making long laps around the edge of the map. Believe it or not, wool and sheep and cows from the Khuzaits was probably some of the most consistently profitable goods. None of those goods are produced in the western desert area. Not unusual to find wool for as low as 5-6 denars in Ortongard (spelling) Odokh or Baltakhand. The hardest part was resisting the temptation to sell off all of it before getting back around the map to the Aserai towns. If I saw a good price I would sell a few things but most of it got saved for the end of the route. But yeah, basically one long lap around the map hitting all the lower prosperity towns to buy things, and selling all the leftovers at Sanala (Askar had good sell prices too later in the game, as it was never attacked either). Even still at the last few levels I was barely getting one trade level per lap.

I kept a steady stockpile of food as well, and whenever I noticed a town under siege, I stopped everything and tried to make it there just as the siege was ending. At one point I made 22,000 denars in one stop because the starving town was paying 60+ denars per grain and 150+ denars for meat, but you *have* to be the first one there. (the AI caravans will absolutely swarm a recently besieged town, but if you're a neutral faction you don't have to worry about avoiding enemies like they do, so it is best to do your trading before joining a kingdom). Pretty much avoided the middle-of-map empire towns because their prices are generally average, unless there is a siege somewhere.

(Rhagea wants 5,000 denars tribute for peace, lol, I mean, I can afford it but sheesh, the Aserai only wanted 150)

[󠀡󠀡]

@op some lords are a predisposition for a few settlements like unquid for sanala and derthert for pravend or gallend ( cant remember exactly wich of the last two ) and other lords of other factions have this aswell, it seems ai lords have a hidden trait/value that makes them value some of their initial fief/settlement too much...its a cool little hidden* feature though !

[ShepherdOfCats]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

@op some lords are a predisposition for a few settlements like unquid for sanala and derthert for pravend or gallend ( cant remember exactly wich of the last two ) and other lords of other factions have this aswell, it seems ai lords have a hidden trait/value that makes them value some of their initial fief/settlement too much...its a cool little hidden* feature though !:happystar2022:

Wow I did not know that. Useful information. Have an award.

[Atlantic Antic]

I did the trading "cheat" outside of Sanala and maxed trading in about 20 minutes. Used smithing to grow my fortune and started buying out the lords. Now I own all of it. Some blood was split of course, but the majority was $$. Sanala was a military gain though. Because of prior play-throughs, I knew it was going to cost too much to purchase. Grind on friend...

[Legiondorf]

Trying to give Bannerlord a proper go this time... House Buttercross now has 3 followers and 4K from trades nice... looks at encyclopedia we are listed as Very Poor and just saw armour on sale for 280K... oh. But we will get there! The future birth of King Harlaus depends on it.

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by lar unuruur:

before making a kingdom, you should have riding and scouting perks at 225, to get lords escape chance zero. that way you can beat ANY power no matter how strong they are, just by imprisoning one after another.

i tried to get trade to 300, had no patience anymore at some point, especially knowing how easy is to beat game conventional way. main problem - at around 5-7 years in campaign there was nothing to trade, prices even everywhere.
ps. what did you trade at that time?
pps. and what version of the game?
ppps. and make peace with south, instead of wasting time fighting them now. rule - go to war only with whom you want and when you want, buy peace otherwise.

Without mods lords always have a chance to escape. It might be small but they will always have some chance of escaping you