Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord

Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord

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Top tier vs t3 troops...
are they really worth the price? i mean if you create army with your companions you can pretty much carry unlimited amount of men around and to me it seems two or three times the men for same money win no matter how much better the elite troops are.
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Urmel Mar 3, 2023 @ 10:32pm 
for manny player, gold is no problem.
and on highest game difficult, a party that have mostly T6 and T5 is much better.

only when you start a new game, there can be reasons to use T3 for some time.
Catteus Of Mars Mar 4, 2023 @ 3:58am 
i just mean, i have strong feeling 3k T3 troops will absolutely smash 1k T5 troops :/ the cost is bout the same.
Ardariel Mar 4, 2023 @ 4:12am 
Originally posted by Catteus Of Mars:
i just mean, i have strong feeling 3k T3 troops will absolutely smash 1k T5 troops :/ the cost is bout the same.
only in head-on fight. Once you start to take into account positioning, morale, skills etc... no.
Especially if t5 is mobile and have some ranged weapons. Expecially throwing. Hold line in shield wall formation until last momnet, then let your forces throw one or two javs and charge in close distance... you can easily make enemy troops run due to chock loss. And this effect is cumulative (somewhat similar to TWW in that regard). UNtil unit run away from batlefield, there cant be another coming in. So you effectively can reduce enemy trooop count by 2 with properly timed impact, making it is YOUR number advantage (on actual fight scale), and bigger HP pool, armor and better skills would let you outlast enemies, while their tropps run away, and small groups run in. Like a meat grinder.

So if you play mostly as RPG character and do most fighting in simple or no commands (f6), then yeah, more often than not army composition matters more, than tier of units. I you have tight control over your units, those extra armor, HP, morale and skills, combined with your won perks, make a huge difference.
Last edited by Ardariel; Mar 4, 2023 @ 4:15am
Urmel Mar 4, 2023 @ 4:15am 
2 things:

- max unit size is 1k for the game engine
- lords have a limit of max party-size

so if your enemy party have 100 elite T5 units, you cant have 300 T3.

cawse you dont have enough lordz, enough unit size, enough food, you are too slow with 300 units and billion other reasons...
Slyke Mar 4, 2023 @ 4:17am 
Can't say anything about exact numbers in your examples, but like in any combat "quality vs quantity" is the wrong way of looking at things.

It's a false choice, in actuality you need both quality and quantity. The highest number of strongest forces you can afford and the highest quality of troops you can support in large enough numbers. The idea is to balance these two values against your current economy and needs.
Catteus Of Mars Mar 4, 2023 @ 4:22am 
mmmm pretty sure i can boost the friendly heros and lords to 180-200 ish and stack em all on top of me as army :/ can i reach 3k... maby? i know i can reach 2k biggest AI army i have been attacked by was 1600
but in general the battle been going like this...
my T5 ubermench smash the low tier AI first wave maby even second one but then the battle gets messy and everyone is skirmishing all over the map and one by one my knights get taken out by hordes of pesents ^^ so by my experience so far horde of peasents > platoon of knights. and it feels bigger the battles turn as campaign moves on the worse it gets for knights.
could i win if i went full sun tzu on the peasents and microed all my units like madman, maby? but thats not the point. :D
Ardariel Mar 4, 2023 @ 4:28am 
Originally posted by Catteus Of Mars:
mmmm pretty sure i can boost the friendly heros and lords to 180-200 ish and stack em all on top of me as army :/ can i reach 3k... maby? i know i can reach 2k biggest AI army i have been attacked by was 1600
but in general the battle been going like this...
my T5 ubermench smash the low tier AI first wave maby even second one but then the battle gets messy and everyone is skirmishing all over the map and one by one my knights get taken out by hordes of pesents ^^ so by my experience so far horde of peasents > platoon of knights. and it feels bigger the battles turn as campaign moves on the worse it gets for knights.
could i win if i went full sun tzu on the peasents and microed all my units like madman, maby? but thats not the point. :D
So you are in early-mid game so far.

Meaning you most likely have about 100-150. 200 max t5 units. If you let them go first on battlefield and dont control them, then yeah, they would get stunlocked and killed at some point.

In mid-late game i had battles of 10k vs 10k easily. And with 1k tropp max at any point in time, t5 have a difference.

Now, you also better NOT to let them dissipate. Although wiht f6 command they dont do it anyway, meaning, you dont delegate dcommand and abandon them altogether.

CHange how your forces appear on battlefield, dont do army of knights only (as they would be taken down by low-tier pikemen, just as t5 archer army woudl be taken down by t2 horse army), dont abandon control or at least delegate command and then strike in weak spots yourself, while your army goes into regroup.
Ruffio Mar 4, 2023 @ 4:37am 
Originally posted by Catteus Of Mars:
mmmm pretty sure i can boost the friendly heros and lords to 180-200 ish and stack em all on top of me as army :/ can i reach 3k... maby? i know i can reach 2k biggest AI army i have been attacked by was 1600
but in general the battle been going like this...
my T5 ubermench smash the low tier AI first wave maby even second one but then the battle gets messy and everyone is skirmishing all over the map and one by one my knights get taken out by hordes of pesents ^^ so by my experience so far horde of peasents > platoon of knights. and it feels bigger the battles turn as campaign moves on the worse it gets for knights.
could i win if i went full sun tzu on the peasents and microed all my units like madman, maby? but thats not the point. :D

The huge mess prone to happen if you just tell your guys to charge and leave it at that.
Catteus Of Mars Mar 4, 2023 @ 5:08am 
Originally posted by Ruffio:
Originally posted by Catteus Of Mars:
mmmm pretty sure i can boost the friendly heros and lords to 180-200 ish and stack em all on top of me as army :/ can i reach 3k... maby? i know i can reach 2k biggest AI army i have been attacked by was 1600
but in general the battle been going like this...
my T5 ubermench smash the low tier AI first wave maby even second one but then the battle gets messy and everyone is skirmishing all over the map and one by one my knights get taken out by hordes of pesents ^^ so by my experience so far horde of peasents > platoon of knights. and it feels bigger the battles turn as campaign moves on the worse it gets for knights.
could i win if i went full sun tzu on the peasents and microed all my units like madman, maby? but thats not the point. :D

The huge mess prone to happen if you just tell your guys to charge and leave it at that.
F3 best tactic no? :o JK
the mess happens when i go down and AI takes over. im fighting aserai so they have 50% light cav and it pulls my troops all over the map.
Last edited by Catteus Of Mars; Mar 4, 2023 @ 5:09am
Ruffio Mar 4, 2023 @ 5:13am 
Originally posted by Catteus Of Mars:
Originally posted by Ruffio:

The huge mess prone to happen if you just tell your guys to charge and leave it at that.
F3 best tactic no? :o JK
the mess happens when i go down and AI takes over. im fighting aserai so they have 50% light cav and it pulls my troops all over the map.

Tell your guys to form up and let them come to you then -)
Duncan Mar 4, 2023 @ 7:13am 
Originally posted by Catteus Of Mars:
mmmm pretty sure i can boost the friendly heros and lords to 180-200 ish and stack em all on top of me as army :/ can i reach 3k... maby? i know i can reach 2k biggest AI army i have been attacked by was 1600
but in general the battle been going like this...
my T5 ubermench smash the low tier AI first wave maby even second one but then the battle gets messy and everyone is skirmishing all over the map and one by one my knights get taken out by hordes of pesents ^^ so by my experience so far horde of peasents > platoon of knights. and it feels bigger the battles turn as campaign moves on the worse it gets for knights.
could i win if i went full sun tzu on the peasents and microed all my units like madman, maby? but thats not the point. :D
Well yeah, but imagine you're having 100 battanian fians who stand on a hill and 1000 shieldless peasants are trying to rush them, I doubt a single one would even reach that group.
What about khan guards? Get a 100, split them into 2 groups of 50, position one in front of the enemy, another behind and you can effectively destroy 1000 sturgian heavy axemen with minimal losses if any.
djo1313 Mar 4, 2023 @ 3:02pm 
Originally posted by Catteus Of Mars:
are they really worth the price? i mean if you create army with your companions you can pretty much carry unlimited amount of men around and to me it seems two or three times the men for same money win no matter how much better the elite troops are.


Yes, because you will always have better results in actual battle with elite troops and because the cost becomes almost meaningless the farther you advance in the game. By the time I can field 150 tier 5 and 6 troops, troop expenses are practically irrelevant. Trying to play with no higher than tier 3 troops would leave you constantly recruiting and short-handed.

You can have at max 4 companion armies. At 300 (can they have that many?) apiece that would be 1200 troops plus your 600 (again generous) gives you 1800 men and you would be lucky if half were tier 3. Any enemy army over 1200 will be able to wipe you out. Your speed will suck and you won't be able to catch anyone you can beat, so no loot and moral goes straight down the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, all your troops desert, your wife thinks you're a loser and runs off with your older brother and you end up alone and destitute. A broken shell of your former being. All this just from trying to save a couple of dinars.
Zhorge Mar 4, 2023 @ 3:35pm 
Originally posted by Catteus Of Mars:
are they really worth the price? i mean if you create army with your companions you can pretty much carry unlimited amount of men around and to me it seems two or three times the men for same money win no matter how much better the elite troops are.

I'm running around with 2.3 million dinars. Money is not a problem
Catteus Of Mars Mar 4, 2023 @ 8:22pm 
im at 1.5 million but im loosing 4k gold a day during peace time with no companion partys after war breaks out and i send out every companion with full army... oof :D
Duncan Mar 4, 2023 @ 9:14pm 
Originally posted by Catteus Of Mars:
im at 1.5 million but im loosing 4k gold a day during peace time with no companion partys after war breaks out and i send out every companion with full army... oof :D
Maybe you should limit the wages of your castle/town defenses?
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Date Posted: Mar 3, 2023 @ 10:13pm
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