Manually Assign Troop Formation

[Kyle_Lucian]

This use to be apart of the game. I don’t know why devs thought it was a good idea to remove it, but it completely broke the game. Can some one please mod or bring back the ability to assign troops to specific formations? I would like to be able to use custom formations for my games, and the slider doesn’t work even kind of work to be able to do this. If I want a formation of nothing but companions I would like that capability. If I want a mixed formation of spearmen, archers, and horsemen I should be able to have those people assigned prior to going into battle. If I want infantry and Calvary based companions to be in the same formation I should be able to have that as well. The developers took one of the best systems in the game and replaced it with complete trash. I would love to know the reason why they thought that was a good idea, but in the mean time if some one can create or point me to a mod to bring it back I would be very thankful.

[Move2Bastyon]

i'd like to know also

and worse than this

now when you join a battle at the beginning of battle, you might shuffle around things and split troops in the pre battle setup, and then when the battle begins, they all just rearrange themselves however they like, it's fricking hilarious, the game just does whatever it wants now, and we just have to put up with it, it's so bad, still can't believe people will argue in defence of this backwards heading trash

and once you get a horse archer, the battle refuses to begin until you create a new group for them. Even if you just wanted to keep them as a mixed unit with your cavalry group the game will simply not allow you to play, it's just a joke how far backwards this game has gone

[Clovis Sangrail]

Originally posted by Kyle_Lucian:

. . . but it completely broke the game.

It 'completely broke the game'? Really?

It's a pain in the ass, and it sucks, but 'completely broke'?

My game is still playable, even with the POS Order of Battle system, so I call 'Shenanigans'.

[Move2Bastyon]

considering that it used to work just fine, and now it doesn't, yes that particular function wasn't just broken, it was deleted, it no longer exists, broken means something is still there and just no longer works properly, this just doesn't even exist anymore, it was deleted from the game, which is even more severe and ridiculous considering it worked just fine before and there is no reason to have removed it. Where is the answer for this question? I have not heard or seen anything logical to justify this. Whoever made this decision...well, there aren't any good words for this person that can be said without triggering the sensitivity of people online nowadays...

[Ruffio]

The old system was fine when you had a few units, if yuo start drag around 400+ not so much. Imho they just need to add some more presets to the formation system.

[Kyle_Lucian]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

The old system was fine when you had a few units, if yuo start drag around 400+ not so much. Imho they just need to add some more presets to the formation system.

I never had a single issue with 400+ units. The old way was simple you could pre-define if a specific troop set was going to be archers, spear infantry, heavy infantry, etc... By giving several options in a drop down you could make a formation basically however you wanted to. The only issue I could ever see with the old system is if you wanted to have 2 splits of the same exact unit such as 2 formations of the same culture of crossbowmen.

[flyingscot1066]

Both systems have their uses. Both suck in their own way. The only benefit to the new system is that you can set your forces before battle, rather than having to wrangle them into formation after the fight has already started, which is one thing I hated about Warband.
I too would like to see the ability to manually assign each troop type and companion to the formation you want them in. Lacking that, however, I have taken the time to figure out how the new system works.

[Kyle_Lucian]

Originally posted by flyingscot1066:

Both systems have their uses. Both suck in their own way. The only benefit to the new system is that you can set your forces before battle, rather than having to wrangle them into formation after the fight has already started, which is one thing I hated about Warband.
I too would like to see the ability to manually assign each troop type and companion to the formation you want them in. Lacking that, however, I have taken the time to figure out how the new system works.

I understand how the system works its a slide bar that you have to manually configure before each battle. I would rather hardset units to formations prior to ever being in a battle. Having to drag a stupid slider to find "balance" before every battle pretty much breaks the game for me. It is not really even worth trying to command troops with the current system.

[RJboxer]

The old way was superior in every way.

1- Old way worked with 5 guys or 5,999,999 guys.
2- Old way you could set the Formations BEFORE BATTLE just like with new way
3- New way has 8 categories.
4- Old way had 9 categories
5- New way has very very very limited control. Some would say ALMOST NO CONTROL
6- Old way had MASSIVE control. You could put all your Borrowed troops in category 8. or 6 or whatever u wanted. U could put Aserai Archers in group 1 To support the Infantry, and all other archers in group 2 as default etc.
Now you use a slider bar "and hope for the best"
7- Old way NEVER BUGGED. the worst bug was you'd set your categories QUIT game, come back and the custom groups were gone. That was it.. but even that was for a very very short period of time. New way you have groups combining for no reason, groups disappearing (some vaild reasons some NOT valid reasons), not being able to start fight sometimes for missing groups or wrong groups etc. And my favorite was when it first came out.. for the first couple month you'd randomly get some combined group (say archers and melee infantry in group 2) and when you tried to ADJUST the slider to put melee infantry in group 1.. it would straight up crash your game. not the save. THE GAME. You'd log back in, try it again.. NOT EVEN GET TO THE SLIDER, just touch that category.. crash to desktop. This was for months. You were now stuck for the rest of that campaign, with broken categories.

There literally is not one thing I can think of that is even slightly better. perhaps someone can help refresh my memory. But I truly can't think of anything.

[Loot]

I had one companion that wouldn't leave the cavalry group, even though they didn't have a horse. Ended up having to make them a horse archer.

[CoffeeBro]

Originally posted by Kyle_Lucian:

This use to be apart of the game. I don’t know why devs thought it was a good idea to remove it, but it completely broke the game. Can some one please mod or bring back the ability to assign troops to specific formations? I would like to be able to use custom formations for my games, and the slider doesn’t work even kind of work to be able to do this. If I want a formation of nothing but companions I would like that capability. If I want a mixed formation of spearmen, archers, and horsemen I should be able to have those people assigned prior to going into battle. If I want infantry and Calvary based companions to be in the same formation I should be able to have that as well. The developers took one of the best systems in the game and replaced it with complete trash. I would love to know the reason why they thought that was a good idea, but in the mean time if some one can create or point me to a mod to bring it back I would be very thankful.

Personally I think this style was used to help console players.
TW knows they have sold the game to the M&B PC crowd, so screw the core customer group (We paid already) and make it simple for the console crowd.

Still an amazing game all in all.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by ronjsim1:

Originally posted by Kyle_Lucian:

This use to be apart of the game. I don’t know why devs thought it was a good idea to remove it, but it completely broke the game. Can some one please mod or bring back the ability to assign troops to specific formations? I would like to be able to use custom formations for my games, and the slider doesn’t work even kind of work to be able to do this. If I want a formation of nothing but companions I would like that capability. If I want a mixed formation of spearmen, archers, and horsemen I should be able to have those people assigned prior to going into battle. If I want infantry and Calvary based companions to be in the same formation I should be able to have that as well. The developers took one of the best systems in the game and replaced it with complete trash. I would love to know the reason why they thought that was a good idea, but in the mean time if some one can create or point me to a mod to bring it back I would be very thankful.

Personally I think this style was used to help console players.
TW knows they have sold the game to the M&B PC crowd, so screw the core customer group (We paid already) and make it simple for the console crowd.

Still an amazing game all in all.

Making games is just another business. If you look at the market shares, pc gaming sit around 25%, consoles around 30% and mobile gaming gobble up pritty much what is left.

It's not about screw anyone, it's about run your business. From what I read there is things in Bannerlord for PC that isn't in the console version, + they can't use mods on console.

Be happy the game wasn't just a terrible console port. There is enough of those games out there too. Milked on consoles, then crappy pc port to get rest of the crumbs.

[Tiberius]

Ive only played this game for a while, but how did this work actually? Troops in bannerlord dont work like other games, where units have very specific role. Troops here have very broad roles: cavalries can be horse archer, infantry, and archers at the same time. Infantry can be pikemen and shield wall at the same time, and so on.

I feel like micromanaging the formation will be a busy work without some kind of streamlining.

The game could really use a bodyguard system tho

[Move2Bastyon]

because it's a mess

I rather not even bother with it, because it's so bad, so instead of playing an advanced tactical deployment of the exact unit formations and compositions I would do in warband, which were far superior.

I have to just accept whatever limited rubbish the game dictates for me, or spend far longer than I would like playing with these stupid sliders that still won't do exactly what I want and used to do so easily in warband before this

[Kyle_Lucian]

Originally posted by Loot Repeat:

I had one companion that wouldn't leave the cavalry group, even though they didn't have a horse. Ended up having to make them a horse archer.

The vast majority of my companions wont leave infantry it doesn't matter that they have light armor, bows, horses, etc.... still infantry. A mod allowing us to manually assign formations would be awesome. The old way was a very simple solution for this create categories I, II, III, etc... they don't even need to say infantry, archers, etc... just assign them a number and let people put who ever they want in that formation.


For those of you who like the new way what benefit are you talking about? I can not think of a single benefit to a slide bar being used before each battle. There is no customization when I want specific troops in a formation I have to slide that bar back and forth like 5 or 6 times to get it even remotely the way I want it. You could just hard assign those formations prior to ever fighting a battle.

[Move2Bastyon]

not to mention you could organise and break down your troops into any customisation you could imagine, you just can't do that anymore, at all

there is no single benefit to this unless you literally have no brains or don't want to use your brains at all, if that could be considered a benefit, mission accomplished

as for advanced customisation, tactics and combat flexibility, gone

amazing how a game that is supposed to be an improvement over the previous title managed to go backwards and become worse