Stop Forcing Wars on the Player constantly.

[mors_orcusjb]

Yes other kingdoms will obviously declare war. Fair. But there is less than no reason for other kingdoms to constantly declare war over and over. This is persistent across all kingdoms or your own. To be honest its so bad it would be better just to let the player declare war when they wanted. Cut it down to like 50% of the time. And when your end game quest is just forcing a 3v1 war in which you cheat to prop up the enemy to give them larger army sizes than they could sustain maybe make sure your not having other kingdoms constantly declare war. It would be one thing if you didnt cheat for the enemy armies and actually made the kingdoms were fighting for have ai armies worth a damn.

[placeforpets]

If that is what is frustrating you so much that stuff all of it is not going to happen in sandbox mode so just play that for you it is better and you will not be so frusterated you are welcome.

[Grizzly]

meanwhile me who tries to get the influence in peace time together to start more wars:

[Ruffio]

They don't cheat. They don't field any bigger or smaller armies thant hey would else.

They war you because you are WEAK... Don't like the war, pay them off.

Last time I checked the quest line clearly tell you what will happen when you assemble the banner. You can create a kingdom before you assemble the banner, and you can hold on with assemble it until you strong enough to deal with the consequences, as long you as do it before the quest times out.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by IlIIlIIlI:

If that is what is frustrating you so much that stuff all of it is not going to happen in sandbox mode so just play that for you it is better and you will not be so frusterated you are welcome.

As soon as you create your kingdom in sandbox you will have all the other factions drop on you like a bruck house too. It all come down to your kingdoms strenght vs their strenght. If you weak and feeble... get used to be used as the towel boy -)

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

They don't cheat. They don't field any bigger or smaller armies thant hey would else.

They war you because you are WEAK... Don't like the war, pay them off.

Last time I checked the quest line clearly tell you what will happen when you assemble the banner. You can create a kingdom before you assemble the banner, and you can hold on with assemble it until you strong enough to deal with the consequences, as long you as do it before the quest times out.

to note on that the game is even so nice that it lets you take multiple fiefs from rebelions without getting attacked. you can make a ♥♥♥♥ ton of money get only T6 units in all of your parties and make your garrisons insanely strong and then just destory any incoming enemies, throw all in the dungon and recruit instantly whoever you can cause you need people

[blc]

Ye I never created a kingdom for this reason. My clan hold half the map and none never declare war on me unless I make the first call

[Tanyon]

Diplomacy Mod you control pretty much everything. It allows you to kinda make the rules. I have mine set so no kingdom can declare war on me again for 90 days after a war has finished, I can send couriers to leaders to stop wars and I call all the shots for my kingdom as to when we do/don't start a war. Also, my biggest reason why I love the mod is it gives me first dibs on castles/cities I capture with out any negative effects. I think it's worth looking into.

[Rhapsody]

Pay tribute. Problem solved.

[mors_orcusjb]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

They don't cheat. They don't field any bigger or smaller armies thant hey would else.

They war you because you are WEAK... Don't like the war, pay them off.

Last time I checked the quest line clearly tell you what will happen when you assemble the banner. You can create a kingdom before you assemble the banner, and you can hold on with assemble it until you strong enough to deal with the consequences, as long you as do it before the quest times out.

This is entirely incorrect. It is not possible to field army after army after army after army after army. Yet every single faction you are at war with will do so. Im in the endgame where your at war with three kingdoms and you cant end them (horrible quest design these devs are terrible). I've beaten Six Sturgian armies. SIX. That isnt possible. After the first two 1500 plus armies they wouldnt have enough men to levy an army. yet. they still are constantly. Its pathetically obvious the game absolutely cheats for the enemy ai's.

They absolutely screw your own ai's and never let them do anything more than what their economy provides and in fact they make them significantly worse. Since in this endgame stage we've only assembled 4 armies despite owning every imperial city.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by mors_orcusjb:

Originally posted by Ruffio:

They don't cheat. They don't field any bigger or smaller armies thant hey would else.

They war you because you are WEAK... Don't like the war, pay them off.

Last time I checked the quest line clearly tell you what will happen when you assemble the banner. You can create a kingdom before you assemble the banner, and you can hold on with assemble it until you strong enough to deal with the consequences, as long you as do it before the quest times out.

This is entirely incorrect. It is not possible to field army after army after army after army after army. Yet every single faction you are at war with will do so. Im in the endgame where your at war with three kingdoms and you cant end them (horrible quest design these devs are terrible). I've beaten Six Sturgian armies. SIX. That isnt possible. After the first two 1500 plus armies they wouldnt have enough men to levy an army. yet. they still are constantly. Its pathetically obvious the game absolutely cheats for the enemy ai's.

They absolutely screw your own ai's and never let them do anything more than what their economy provides and in fact they make them significantly worse. Since in this endgame stage we've only assembled 4 armies despite owning every imperial city.

I'm currently "Farming" the Northenr Empire.... I got all their nobles as prisoners, except 4 wifes of theirs that have no combat skills. I hang around, wait and they come back again and again with a rag tag band of new recruits mixed in with a few elites and mercenaries. After fighting their army I release them and increase my standing with their clans.

Just as you are able, the other clans in the game can create a number of parties deppending on their clan level. Bigger clans (as in many family members), can quickly raise new parties and then form armies after you defeat one.

How many armies your kingdom can raise soly deppend on how many clans you got, their level, and how mamy family members they got.

[MasterShake]

Originally posted by mors_orcusjb:

After the first two 1500 plus armies they wouldnt have enough men to levy an army. yet. they still are constantly. Its pathetically obvious the game absolutely cheats for the enemy ai's.

Wut? Me (Sturgia here) personally can raise 3k army, kill it, make another and there will be left some more. I prefer not to go that far tho, but admittedly you are right, that it's significally different with end quest part.
I assembled dragon banner, when the deadline came, but didn't activate conspiracy final yet. Weighted things right and left and made executive decision long ago. For now my goals as a ruler are
1. To gather as many (imperial) clans, as I can, under my kingdom.
2. Wipe out Empire factions as much as I can, before conspiracy hits.
South Empire currenrtly gone. Western and Northern Empires are under 10 settlements. I would already succeed actually, I think, but Aserai and Vlandia became problems and constantly pulling my resources.
I pushed away Aserai and recaptured steppe (Aserai wiped Khuzait single handedly), but I can't find the answer to Vlandia, these guys are strong, their soldiers come toe to toe with mine and, after Derthert died, they are actually behave smart - every clan owns fiefs and likes their king. Can't recruit any "traitors" and weaken them at all.

Can't deny, conspiracy deadline comes and I'm not looking forward to it.

[mors_orcusjb]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by mors_orcusjb:

This is entirely incorrect. It is not possible to field army after army after army after army after army. Yet every single faction you are at war with will do so. Im in the endgame where your at war with three kingdoms and you cant end them (horrible quest design these devs are terrible). I've beaten Six Sturgian armies. SIX. That isnt possible. After the first two 1500 plus armies they wouldnt have enough men to levy an army. yet. they still are constantly. Its pathetically obvious the game absolutely cheats for the enemy ai's.

They absolutely screw your own ai's and never let them do anything more than what their economy provides and in fact they make them significantly worse. Since in this endgame stage we've only assembled 4 armies despite owning every imperial city.

I'm currently "Farming" the Northenr Empire.... I got all their nobles as prisoners, except 4 wifes of theirs that have no combat skills. I hang around, wait and they come back again and again with a rag tag band of new recruits mixed in with a few elites and mercenaries. After fighting their army I release them and increase my standing with their clans.

Just as you are able, the other clans in the game can create a number of parties deppending on their clan level. Bigger clans (as in many family members), can quickly raise new parties and then form armies after you defeat one.

How many armies your kingdom can raise soly deppend on how many clans you got, their level, and how mamy family members they got.

So you admit your first post is entirely incorrect. As in your own words they keep spawning armies. So if your in the endgame even 100 men can take an lightly defended castle your forced into a forever war with 3 kingdoms no matter how many times you beat them. You do realize men require pay, food, water, clothes, equipment, etc etc etc etc to field an army right? So no after you've lost two 1500 + armies with a kingdom of five fiefs your done. Not only are you bankrupt but you own men are on the verge of outright rebellion. There is no way they would still be fielding armies. Yet I'm here watching them field over 5 armies a year with a minimum of 500 men (from two different factions Sturgia and Vlandia), There is literally no level of stupidity to explain this decision from devs.

[mors_orcusjb]

Originally posted by MasterShake:

Originally posted by mors_orcusjb:

After the first two 1500 plus armies they wouldnt have enough men to levy an army. yet. they still are constantly. Its pathetically obvious the game absolutely cheats for the enemy ai's.

Wut? Me (Sturgia here) personally can raise 3k army, kill it, make another and there will be left some more. I prefer not to go that far tho, but admittedly you are right, that it's significally different with end quest part.
I assembled dragon banner, when the deadline came, but didn't activate conspiracy final yet. Weighted things right and left and made executive decision long ago. For now my goals as a ruler are
1. To gather as many (imperial) clans, as I can, under my kingdom.
2. Wipe out Empire factions as much as I can, before conspiracy hits.
South Empire currenrtly gone. Western and Northern Empires are under 10 settlements. I would already succeed actually, I think, but Aserai and Vlandia became problems and constantly pulling my resources.
I pushed away Aserai and recaptured steppe (Aserai wiped Khuzait single handedly), but I can't find the answer to Vlandia, these guys are strong, their soldiers come toe to toe with mine and, after Derthert died, they are actually behave smart - every clan owns fiefs and likes their king. Can't recruit any "traitors" and weaken them at all.

Can't deny, conspiracy deadline comes and I'm not looking forward to it.

The answer for Vlandians is either the retreat method if you dont mind cheesing or take our their horse first and then slow play them. pick a few off with horse archers or archers and get them moving to get their crossbows alone. Unfortunately the crossbows hurt and can 360 insta fire so your gonna lose some men, but once your heavy cavalry is on them they should be no problem. after that just killbox the infantry.

Id honestly be fine if the economics in the game worked. But its not possible for anyone to field 5 armies a year. No one would ever have successfully invaded anyone if this was the case. So if the economics are non existant for enemy ai's which is certain at this point then there needs to be a army levying penalty. if you lose two armies in a years time you cant any armies for 6 months to a year or something. But apparently the devs just copy pasted warband and made some minor changes.

[MasterShake]

Originally posted by mors_orcusjb:

The answer for Vlandians is either the retreat method if you dont mind cheesing or take our their horse first and then slow play them. pick a few off with horse archers or archers and get them moving to get their crossbows alone. Unfortunately the crossbows hurt and can 360 insta fire so your gonna lose some men, but once your heavy cavalry is on them they should be no problem. after that just killbox the infantry.

No-no, I mean on strategic level. I'm more that ok in personal combat, or small unit skirmish, but it's not about this. When you fight with 2-3k armies these small tricks don't have much of an impact. (In fact best you, as PC, can do, is NOT to go personal combat. You catch a lucky crossbow bolt or lance strike and it's wall vs wall massacre for your troops, where success is hugely impacted by the order of reinforcements coming for both sides).

My question to Vlandia is not that I can't win, I've managed so far. It is that, despite my kingdom power score is better, they seem to have more than enough resources to drain me significally. In fact unlike every other kingdom for some reasons Vlandia gives me serious fight. They gather multiple strong armies, that maneuver smart, they have strong bulky high-tier units, that are formidable against my troops naturally.
Second is the fact that fighting is not going on their territory even, we still clash over former Battania. It's pointless, for there aren't my target nor interest, and thus I just can't afford prolonged war with Vlandia, because that mean heavy casualties and I can't make it quick. I need my soldiers elsewhere (trash the imperial factions before conspiracy hits and I'll be in your position basically).
And even if I make a breach to vlandian home territory, I don't have any vlandian lords in my kingdom and so far I haven't got even slight chance to convince any of them to desert. Without recruiting clans from them, it's pointless to try to grab their territory, even if I'd managed t9 do so, all I'll get very soon is just another war versus the same powerhouse.

[mors_orcusjb]

Originally posted by MasterShake:

Originally posted by mors_orcusjb:

The answer for Vlandians is either the retreat method if you dont mind cheesing or take our their horse first and then slow play them. pick a few off with horse archers or archers and get them moving to get their crossbows alone. Unfortunately the crossbows hurt and can 360 insta fire so your gonna lose some men, but once your heavy cavalry is on them they should be no problem. after that just killbox the infantry.

No-no, I mean on strategic level. I'm more that ok in personal combat, or small unit skirmish, but it's not about this. When you fight with 2-3k armies these small tricks don't have much of an impact. (In fact best you, as PC, can do, is NOT to go personal combat. You catch a lucky crossbow bolt or lance strike and it's wall vs wall massacre for your troops).

My question to Vlandia is not that I can't win, I've managed so far. It is that despite my kingdom power score is better, they seem to have more than enough resources to drain me significally. In fact unlike every other kingdom for some reasons Vlandia gives me serious fight. They gather multiple strong armies, that maneuver smart, they have strong formidable high-tier units, that are formidable against my troops naturally.
Second is the fact that fighting is not going on their territory even, we still clash over former Battania. It's pointless, for there aren't my target nor interest, and thus I just can't afford prolonged war with them, that mean heavy casualties. I need my soldiers elsewhere (trash the imperial factions before conspiracy hits).
And even if I make a breach to vlandian home territory, I don't have any vlandian lords in my kingdom and so far I haven't got even slight chance to convince any of them to desert. Without recruiting clans from them, it's pointless to try to grab their territory, even if I'd managed t9 do so, all I'll get very soon is just another war versus the same powerhouse.

Oh ya. Thats part of the garbage game design I've been talking about. They keep throwing armies. Before the endgame quest we pushed the Aserai back to three towns. Now they have taken Razih back, and are beseigin husn fulg. despite i've single handedly kept out the vlandians and the sturgians. the devs are simply pathetic. they didnt care about making a fun enjoyable game. they obviously didnt even try with the questline and frankly its pathetic.