looter still stronger than cataphracts

[Will]

title ^^ unmodded just watched a looter duel and kill a cataphract after dismounting him... this stupidity is very clearly still not fixed yet.

[Will]

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Oh no... the game actually allows a bit of randomness and freak occurrences! It must be totally broken! Please fix so that my elite units are Gods that can steamroll everyone!

After all, there are no real-life examples whatsoever of vastly inferior troops managing to beat greatly superior ones... oh wait...

oh give an example of this ? because history shows that it takes far superior troops to make epics. do regal us with your historical knowledge of how highly trained elites with the best gear money can provide get beaten by starving peasants

[Hanok]

Respect

Did the looter take his armor?

[Clovis Sangrail]

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do regal us with your historical knowledge of how highly trained elites with the best gear money can provide get beaten by starving peasants

Viet Nam

[Will]

Първоначално публикувано от Goffik:

Oh no... the game actually allows a bit of randomness and freak occurrences! It must be totally broken! Please fix so that my elite units are Gods that can steamroll everyone!

After all, there are no real-life examples whatsoever of vastly inferior troops managing to beat greatly superior ones... oh wait...

Oh do regal us with your historical knowledge i would love to know of these many moment when starving peasants beat elite extremely well equipped experienced professional soldiers and lets face it a cataphract is a middle eastern concept and they were of noble birth and trained from childhood, they didn't usually die in combat in fact these heavily armored troops very rarely died unless dragged from horse back and had very carefully poked in an an arm pit or eye slit. Roman and Greek historians point that arrows couldn't even penetrate their armor, the horses had the same at the very minimum on their fronts so a wooden pitchfork would splinter well before going through it.

[Will]

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do regal us with your historical knowledge of how highly trained elites with the best gear money can provide get beaten by starving peasants

Viet Nam

they didnt win, they lost 3 million to 55 thousand and waited a full two years after the US withdrew due to political tensions back home before they re-invaded the south

correction, they didn't win against the US they won against the South Vietnamese which relied on the US and without them didn't stand a chance against the VC

[Hanok]

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do regal us with your historical knowledge of how highly trained elites with the best gear money can provide get beaten by starving peasants

Viet Nam

The 1st Crusade

[Davi]

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title ^^ unmodded just watched a looter duel and kill a cataphract after dismounting him... this stupidity is very clearly still not fixed yet.

Video or it didn't happen. Also test this 10 times and tell us the outcomes..

[Will]

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Viet Nam

The 1st Crusade

wrong...

The First Crusade (1095-1102) was a military campaign by western European forces to recapture the city of Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim control. Conceived by Pope Urban II following an appeal from the Byzantine emperor Alexios I Komnenos, the Crusade was a success with Christian forces taking control of Jerusalem on 15 July 1099.

the only failures of the first crusade was weakening the Eastern Roman empire

[Double Quarter Pounder w/ cheese]

This is why I play with the realistic combat module. Armor felt useless in vanilla, you might as well be fighting naked

[Will]

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Viet Nam

The 1st Crusade

unless your saying the crusaders where the weaker force

[Hanok]

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The 1st Crusade

wrong...

The First Crusade (1095-1102) was a military campaign by western European forces to recapture the city of Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim control. Conceived by Pope Urban II following an appeal from the Byzantine emperor Alexios I Komnenos, the Crusade was a success with Christian forces taking control of Jerusalem on 15 July 1099.

the only failures of the first crusade was weakening the Eastern Roman empire

"This call was met with an enthusiastic popular response across all social classes in western Europe. Mobs of predominantly poor Christians numbering in the thousands, led by Peter the Hermit, a French priest, were the first to respond. What has become known as the People's Crusade"

[Efrox]

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Oh no... the game actually allows a bit of randomness and freak occurrences! It must be totally broken! Please fix so that my elite units are Gods that can steamroll everyone!

After all, there are no real-life examples whatsoever of vastly inferior troops managing to beat greatly superior ones... oh wait...

oh give an example of this ? because history shows that it takes far superior troops to make epics. do regal us with your historical knowledge of how highly trained elites with the best gear money can provide get beaten by starving peasants

this really depends on a lot fo factors... tactic,terrain etc. in history you have battle of Turin where Constantine managed to kill cataphracts with light cavalry (flanking and superior tactics) Battle of Yarmouk same thing ..... etc. its really not that easy to say ..... Cataphracts are shock cavalry - so not really for prolonged combat awesome when charging thanks to their heavy armor but that armor can be not so usefull vs much faster and nimble opponents especially if you loose momentum ....

[svlla]

use the better battle mod or whatever its called that makes armor better and fixes AI

[Beaghan]

I hate when it happens. I only have it have when auto deciding a battle. Send 200 troops at 10 looters and rarely they'll kill one and sometimes it's an elite troop. That's why I never auto battle, even on a few looters I'll spend the time to enter battle and charge. I haven't lost any doing it that way but I've never sent 1 vs. 1 either. at worst it'll be like 150 vs. 100 and no losses that way for me.

[Morkonan]

Първоначално публикувано от Will:

title ^^ unmodded just watched a looter duel and kill a cataphract after dismounting him... this stupidity is very clearly still not fixed yet.

"Duel?" What do you mean, here?

And, when is a 1:1 unit vs unit outcome meaningful if it's not the player being discussed?

This is about as meaningful in a playthrough of Bannerlord as a blurry picture of Bigfoot.