winning a vote for settlement

[wandernweltweit]

Hi everyone, I have been winning 2 votes for getting settlements after they were taken (as a vassal), but in both cases the ruler decided to give it to someone else anyway. It said that (rulername) decided to give it to (other vassas name) against the protest of the counsel.
What do I need to change to get the vote for me accepted?
Feedback appreciated....

[Gunga Din]

get more influence, make friends with the vassals.

[wandernweltweit]

I just saw a discussion about the same thing from like 30 mins ago... lol
so does a better reputation with the boss (and other vassals) make it more likely to get a settlement or is it the maxed out fiefs. I have 2 castles and really want a settlement now....

[Clovis Sangrail]

Give the castles back. They are probably running at a loss anyway.

[wandernweltweit]

ok I will give the castles away. Worth a try.... They are actually making a profit since I have 0 garrison. I defend it with militia only. Getting +1 militia a day.

[Emperor2000]

Originally posted by Daniel Hayes-Hall:

get more influence, make friends with the vassals.

More influence does nothing, you can always only pay a fixed amount of influence in kingdom decisions and friends with other vassals does also nothing, because the vassals have nothing to say in kingdom decisions, only the ruler has the power to decide the fate of their faction.

If a ruler gets 300 influence per day, he can do what ever he like and 300 influence is possible, by having many supporters from the notables and having clan members with 330 charm and the immortal charm perk.

[AfLIcTeD]

The distance to your other fiefs seem to have the biggest effect on who is up for vote. The closer the fief is to your other fiefs the more likely you will be up for vote. Same for other clans.

[mk0]

At some point - even if you get the most votes - other clans will be preferred if they do not own a fief yet, which makes sense, as the ruler wants to avoid them leaving the kingdom.

[ShadowFox]

Originally posted by wandernweltweit:

Hi everyone, I have been winning 2 votes for getting settlements after they were taken (as a vassal), but in both cases the ruler decided to give it to someone else anyway. It said that (rulername) decided to give it to (other vassas name) against the protest of the counsel.
What do I need to change to get the vote for me accepted?
Feedback appreciated....

What is your relationship with your ruler, and how big is your party/army/clan if they dont like you or dont think you can protect it they will overrule the council

[Hasbulat]

The first fief you take should be a town.

After them I try to conquest another nearest town too, so I become both.

And you have to ensure you have high relations with a ruler and high influence in the kingdom.

To have a lot of friends between the lords in the kingdom is also very beneficial.
Castle is better to leave for lords, so they can partool the land between your cities.

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by wandernweltweit:

Hi everyone, I have been winning 2 votes for getting settlements after they were taken (as a vassal), but in both cases the ruler decided to give it to someone else anyway. It said that (rulername) decided to give it to (other vassas name) against the protest of the counsel.
What do I need to change to get the vote for me accepted?
Feedback appreciated....

I would say your best bet is to ensure you have a good "Strength" rating, as in the power of the forces under your command, including garrisons. Then, make sure you don't have a bajillion monies in inventory. Also, your Clan Strength may matter in the final Awarding of the fief. Distance between fiefs owned is a factor in initial Selection that could have an impact, perhaps. (The game calcs this during selection, but it's compared against the average distance between fiefs that Lords own in the faction, itself. So, if all Lords only ever own fiefs close to each other, that's going to have a larger impact. The same goes for the reverse.)

Voting? AFAIK, it's still largely RNG. I don't know that any reputation score or traits matter at all, atm. They might, but they didn't used to matter in any sort of Vote. A good Reptuation with a King may have always mattered, but only in a situation in which an RNG Vote doesn't match up with whatever the "best practices" the selection algorithm has decided. IOW - King Overrides could be a "fail-safe" error-checker for formerally/currently RNG-based voting mechanics.

But, examine who the King gave the fief to. If they are a new poverty stricken Lord, the Faction AI is nearly duty-bound to give that Lord an income/fief rather than to keep paying that Lord a hidden income coming from the faction's wallet-mechanic, also hidden. (It's a work-around to prevent no-income Lords from being completely... worthless. They get a stipend up to a certain amount.)

If it's a very powerful Lord, though, with rich-monies... then, I dunno... :)

[wandernweltweit]

thank you all for the good input, I will play around a bit to get it sorted....

[Rogue Lolicon]

If you end up having a Castle as your first fief, and you ended up losing the vote to get a Town (your "2nd" fief) despite having the majority or the Leader taking it for themselves. You can give away your Castle before the vote, and then vote yourself. You will be able to obtain the Fief as your "1st" settlement.

Somehow, the Leader will give you a fief regardless of who win if you dont own any fief. (if Im not wrong). Becareful though, once you give up your castle you will lose the prisoners and garrison troops in that castle. Not sure about the items in the stash.

[Cassian]

relations with the ruler helps alot. I married the daughter of the Vlandia king, He gave me 4 towns and 4 castles.

[mk0]

Stop resurrecting me from the dead, thanks.

[lar unuruur]

indeed relations matter. i marry ira when play for empire and rhagea always gives me fiefs left and right, so i have to give away bad fiefs even.
plus, if kingdom clan has no fiefs, it has preference in ruler decisions.
also matters distance from current fiefs, power and voting in the end matters too.