I dont understand the logic behind tournament betting.

[Teralitha]

When I go to a casino and make a bet on something, I win even money. 1 for 1. But at a tourney, I bet 150 and if i win I get 45. What kind of silly odds are those? Even in medieval times no one would gamble with odds like that. I say all tourney bets should be at least even money, even if you are a regular champion. Who wants to compete if your possible winnings are so little? Its only fair and logical.

[scarby]

This mirrors what happens in real life, at a casino the (non-sports) odds are fixed based on the calculated margin for a casino, In real life sporting events odds are a best guess by the bookie including an over-round, you can have less than even money bets. i've been to horse races with five or 6 runners where the favorite is running at 1:2 odds. (i.e. bet $5 you get $7.50 back).

[Razorblade]

That's how sports betting works. You get better odds for betting on the horse with the worst history of performance. Even a lot of table games work like this in the modern day. Look at Roulette. You get a lot more for betting on 0 than betting on black.

[Teralitha]

Okay, but this is different. And Im sorry but the meager gold you get from betting is just too pathetic. Its fine when you are level 1, but later on its just... lame.

When you consider how much profit you get from other activities that require less effort.... tourneys are just a waste of time.

It doesnt even matter who you beat, the reward is always the same. For example, if I beat a king when I am level 1, I still get the same rewards. So the betting odds theory is out.

[lubed_assassin]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Okay, but this is different. And Im sorry but the meager gold you get from betting is just too pathetic. Its fine when you are level 1, but later on its just... lame.

I wish its possible to change the odds, like have tougher opponets at certain tourneys and crappier tourneys. Basically a ranking tourney system, like the best tourney is held at X town.

[Aven]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Okay, but this is different. And Im sorry but the meager gold you get from betting is just too pathetic. Its fine when you are level 1, but later on its just... lame.

When you consider how much profit you get from other activities that require less effort.... tourneys are just a waste of time.

It doesnt even matter who you beat, the reward is always the same. For example, if I beat a king when I am level 1, I still get the same rewards. So the betting odds theory is out.

What effort does it take to do a tournament? Most of them take, at most, 5 minutes to finish, and many of them are a cakewalk to win even on realistic/challenging settings.

And no, sorry, the betting odds theory is the actual reality. The best odds you will see in tournament betting are 4:1, and that is only for the first round when you have no reputation. After you win your first few tournaments the starting odds drop considerably, and those odds continue to drop throughout the tournament. For most final rounds, you are likely to only get 11:10. Eventually, the equipment you win will easily be worth more than any money you'll win betting. And that's as it should be. No one is going to give you 4 to 1 odds betting on the guy who has won 9 of his last 10 tournaments. They'll give you your trophy at the end, but ain't no one taking that bet.

[Teralitha]

Thank you for making my point. Tournaments are pointless.

[Cortec]

Originally posted by Aven:

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Okay, but this is different. And Im sorry but the meager gold you get from betting is just too pathetic. Its fine when you are level 1, but later on its just... lame.

When you consider how much profit you get from other activities that require less effort.... tourneys are just a waste of time.

It doesnt even matter who you beat, the reward is always the same. For example, if I beat a king when I am level 1, I still get the same rewards. So the betting odds theory is out.

What effort does it take to do a tournament? Most of them take, at most, 5 minutes to finish, and many of them are a cakewalk to win even on realistic/challenging settings.

And no, sorry, the betting odds theory is the actual reality. The best odds you will see in tournament betting are 4:1, and that is only for the first round when you have no reputation. After you win your first few tournaments the starting odds drop considerably, and those odds continue to drop throughout the tournament. For most final rounds, you are likely to only get 11:10. Eventually, the equipment you win will easily be worth more than any money you'll win betting. And that's as it should be. No one is going to give you 4 to 1 odds betting on the guy who has won 9 of his last 10 tournaments. They'll give you your trophy at the end, but ain't no one taking that bet.

Tedious and boring is what it is. Need a difficulty ramp as you level up to even the playing field and keep bets realistically difficult and high. There was a mod for this but I think it's outdated and unbalanced.

This game isn't even remotely realistic so I don't understand why this discussed as if it were. Tournaments needs to be worked on. It's too easy right of the bat on new campaign, and too boring to carry on doing. At least make the proverbial trophy worth something cause honestly joining tournaments I don't even bother betting at all, even on new campaign.

[Aven]

Originally posted by Cortec:

Tedious and boring is what it is. Need a difficulty ramp as you level up to even the playing field and keep bets realistically difficult and high. There was a mod for this but I think it's outdated and unbalanced.

This game isn't even remotely realistic so I don't understand why this discussed as if it were. Tournaments needs to be worked on. It's too easy right of the bat on new campaign, and too boring to carry on doing. At least make the proverbial trophy worth something cause honestly joining tournaments I don't even bother betting at all, even on new campaign.

I didn't say they were an exciting feature of the game, I was merely commenting on how the betting works and how little effort it took to win them. I wouldn't call them tedious, at least not in the early portion of the game when they matter the most, but yes, by clan level 3 winning a tournament matters very little, and more could probably be done to make them more meaningful throughout the game. I like that some women will request a tournament win as tribute. Maybe they could have more quest tie-ins, or perhaps relationship consequences for beating a noble? I will agree that they definitely need to be more challenging overall.

[Tempered]

Tournaments are for gaining renown, not money. The money is just an added bonus, along with the prize. The prizes are geared towards starting characters that can not afford much of anything.

[Teralitha]

Stop making excuses. The tourney is pointless.

[Core]

This is a problem that is spread quite across all aspects of the gameplay. I just got into a tourney, betted 100 and got 110 when I won... I mean... What is this lol
I do not mind some difficulty. But there are so many senseless challenges like this, like you kill 100 elite knights and get 2 cracked boots as loot, trade for one month in RL for getting your trading up to 250, pay millions for vassals to join you, pay 400 to upgrade a soldier to a cataphract but pay 400.000 for having their armor for yourself...
With so many things not adding up, it starts looking outright ridiculous.

[indiehindi]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Okay, but this is different. And Im sorry but the meager gold you get from betting is just too pathetic. Its fine when you are level 1, but later on its just... lame.

When you consider how much profit you get from other activities that require less effort.... tourneys are just a waste of time.

It doesnt even matter who you beat, the reward is always the same. For example, if I beat a king when I am level 1, I still get the same rewards. So the betting odds theory is out.

The reason for this is that NPCs cannot handle player combat & movements. Which means player always wins against NPC when its 1 vs 1. You can run, swing, balerina dance, hit & run, jump & kick < NPCs cant handle any of that.
PS: With pretty much starting skills, I join a torunament and run around NPCs they cant even follow me. Even against 5 vs 1, I'm hitting them on their backs.

Previously in Warband, player would join a tournament and bet, winning over 4000 gold and a good quality weapon/armour/horse. And this was the very beginning of the game.
Imagine a rookie just start the game and makes 4000+ money.
I guess this is the reason they tweaked this in Bannerlord and made it impossible for player to gain such money early on.

[Bloodwest]

Originally posted by Teralitha:

Okay, but this is different. And Im sorry but the meager gold you get from betting is just too pathetic. Its fine when you are level 1, but later on its just... lame.

When you consider how much profit you get from other activities that require less effort.... tourneys are just a waste of time.

It doesnt even matter who you beat, the reward is always the same. For example, if I beat a king when I am level 1, I still get the same rewards. So the betting odds theory is out.

I think some moneymaking activities tend to fall-off depending on how large your army is. For example, at some point you lose more than you gain for raiding village as army of 200+ men. Tournaments are more fitting for small groups, when you've only recently started... and your char is kinda weak, inexperienced, underequipped... uhm... Anyways, I guess it's hard to argue that tournaments were way more relevant throughout the game in Warband, I mean, you could actually boost relationship by dedicating your victory to chosen lady. In my new playthrough in Bannerlord at day 100-something I was already married vassal taking on lower tier lords so can't say tournaments were of any use to me :D

[Chillum]

The tourny is for early game.

Before you recruit any soldiers. You ride to a few towns, do a few tournys. Get your stats raised a bit as well as a small bit of gold/equipment. Maybe a horse if you get lucky.

After that tourny's can be used to get your renown up a bit pretty fast, usually to around 50ish.

After both of these are completed, yes there are much better ways to spend your time. I would not waste time in a tourny after the first 30 or so minutes of a campaign.

[Dan]

Tournaments only being profitable or worthwhile at early game is a dumb concept, and unrealistic at best because many nobles found great joy in tournaments. They used them to mock their foes, to show off to maidens, other nobles, and the masses as well. That being said, try joining a tournament when you start early game much? You will get destroyed if the tournament has some high tier or nobles present, since they're using tier 4-6 armor vs your tier 1-3 armors.

Tournaments need to be redesigned completely. Betting needs to be WAY WAY higher, rewards need to be way way better, and there should be levels/tiers to the tournaments. Meaning if you're a new character with no tournaments or wins under your belt on the leaderboards, you should only be able to access first tier competitions, that are full of weaker challengers, cheaper rewards (basically the crappy rewards you get for all tournaments now), and less renown/inflence gains. Makes more sense for some depth and reasoning to do tournaments, both early and late game. That and gaining relations with nobles, especially if you have option to dedicate your wins to a specific lady in waiting.