Can't convince people to leave their kingdoms?

[Memtndude]

I can convince them in the dialogue, but once that's over they want some assurance or some sort. I can barely move the bar, and if I hit auto it literally takes everything in my inventory to convince them to join my kingdom. This can't be right.

[flyingscot1066]

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[Chief Minister of Gaming]

Publicado originalmente por Memtndude:

I can convince them in the dialogue, but once that's over they want some assurance or some sort. I can barely move the bar, and if I hit auto it literally takes everything in my inventory to convince them to join my kingdom. This can't be right.

I think its heaps of money, like 100k or much more. If it were charm only, you could get every noble.

I would like to know how the AI is doing conversions. Sometimes I see a foreign clan join the kingdom I am in. And I wonder if this is a random calculation, or more genuine factors involved. I do not believe the AI lords really have a real capital management of their incomes, and money at this stage. They all seem to always have 30,000 gold or so much on them no matter what.

[Memtndude]

Publicado originalmente por Chief Minister of Gaming:

Publicado originalmente por Memtndude:

I can convince them in the dialogue, but once that's over they want some assurance or some sort. I can barely move the bar, and if I hit auto it literally takes everything in my inventory to convince them to join my kingdom. This can't be right.

I think its heaps of money, like 100k or much more. If it were charm only, you could get every noble.

I would like to know how the AI is doing conversions. Sometimes I see a foreign clan join the kingdom I am in. And I wonder if this is a random calculation, or more genuine factors involved. I do not believe the AI lords really have a real capital management of their incomes, and money at this stage. They all seem to always have 30,000 gold or so much on them no matter what.

For some reason in my old game, I could easily convince them. I was a bigger clan and from what I've read, this is a major factor. I don't always take everything I read as the gospel since a lot of things with this game are outdated and no longer relevant. It makes it hard to figure out certain issues.

[nereksnadu the Rakusan]

i had to pay 700,000 denars to get a clan to join my kingdom and they only have 2 parties with units i wanted to laugh when i saw it. back to the grind for cash lmao

[Imperium]

Was about to create this topic, I think the amount it takes is completely unreasonable, I have console so I tested and one of the clans I was recruiting took a whooping 7 million denars to recruit. That is considering I was the stronger faction, the lord I was talking to had 78 friendship with me. I dont actually think you could make 7 million in a cheat free playthough. At least in no reasonable amount of time. The need to make it harder to convince them, but once convinced, no more than 100k to get them to join. Or lets say reasonably 25-50k dinar PER member of their clan.

There just NEEDS to be a feature to scout new clans. or for disgruntled clans to leave their kingdoms and occasionally seeking out to join your kingdom. In old bannerlord you could recruit individual lords you liked so it was much easier, just seeking out a faction leader is difficult!

[sadaih]

its pretty cheap when u start recruiting lords of kingdom thats already conquered, i've tried 1 sturgia noble when they had 4-5 cities and couple of castles, and even i had realtion with him around 30, he was asking for probably 5 to 8 mln, but later in campain when theyir kingdom got crushed by me (vladians) and khuzaits, he joined me for 55k, the cheapest clan was 10k - it was 1 noble and 3 kids.

recruting clans from same power level as your kingdom is probably tied to relation between you and clan, and the clan and faction leader, its possible to get nobles for below 600k

[Urmel]

i play 1.5.9

i never saw a clan joining from a faction to another faction... i know clans can do this in old game versions.

without clans joining and leaving factions its impossible for a faction to "win" the game/war.
i play sandbox, maybe something is wrong here...

[Urmel]

Publicado originalmente por Imperium:

There just NEEDS to be a feature to scout new clans. or for disgruntled clans to leave their kingdoms and occasionally seeking out to join your kingdom. In old bannerlord you could recruit individual lords you liked so it was much easier, just seeking out a faction leader is difficult!

+1

problem is you would faceroll / stomp over the worldmap with enough clans/lords/soldiers.
TW needs a system like revolting towns, to force player wanting as less clans as possible.

[Memtndude]

Publicado originalmente por Hunzies:

Ya'll keep doing this wrong. If you consider noble's point of view, you have a tiny ♥♥♥♥♥♥ kingdom that recently rebelled away or got created compared to their established one, with at least 3 cities 3 castles or something like that. Of course they will consider this move unreasonable and demand ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from you as compensation. They have some sort of common sense themselves and won't fall into your cliche.

You need to increase your Kingdom's total strenght through gaining more fiefs and hiring mercenary clans as well as creating extra parties with your companions as the first move. Then you need to take these factors before aiming for someone to convince joining you.

To reduce the price needed for a clan to join you, you need to make sure these criterias are met -
-Clan does not hold fiefs
-Clan has a bad relationship with their current Liege
-Clan is part of a weak Kingdom already (Kingdom strenght of 2000 or below should start becoming easy to convince)
-Clan has less than 4 members (at least while you're clanless in the Kingdom).
-YOUR OWN CLAN TIER. See if you can find Tier 3 clans around that meet these criterias. A small Tier 4 clan without fiefs shouldn't cost more than 400K.
-Your own Kingdom strenght is close to their current Liege's kingdom.

Don't forget to get the Reduced Barter Penalty perks whenever available, I think there's only one in Charm perk-tree but it reduces either by 10% or 15%, can't remember. Regardless, you'll need it.

You don't have to hire a specific culture either. Hiring a foreigner clan should be safe for FIef's loyalty, it had never gone below 30 for my newly recruited foreigner clan's town.

This isn't Warband where lords come to you begging for recruitment because you allegedly "treat everyone equally and fair".

Start off small, will ya, greedy bastard.

Extra note - Do not create a kingdom while having less than 300K denars. 100K is small for Bannerlord's standards.

How are you increasing your strength?

Mine is at 1821 right now and I can't create any more parties. I can hire one more companion, but that's it. I just hit T5 on my clan tier.

[Qen Adar]

Publicado originalmente por sadaih:

its pretty cheap when u start recruiting lords of kingdom thats already conquered, i've tried 1 sturgia noble when they had 4-5 cities and couple of castles, and even i had realtion with him around 30, he was asking for probably 5 to 8 mln, but later in campain when theyir kingdom got crushed by me (vladians) and khuzaits, he joined me for 55k, the cheapest clan was 10k - it was 1 noble and 3 kids.

recruting clans from same power level as your kingdom is probably tied to relation between you and clan, and the clan and faction leader, its possible to get nobles for below 600k

At your point though why would you need to recruit them.

[Memtndude]

Publicado originalmente por Qen Adar:

Publicado originalmente por sadaih:

its pretty cheap when u start recruiting lords of kingdom thats already conquered, i've tried 1 sturgia noble when they had 4-5 cities and couple of castles, and even i had realtion with him around 30, he was asking for probably 5 to 8 mln, but later in campain when theyir kingdom got crushed by me (vladians) and khuzaits, he joined me for 55k, the cheapest clan was 10k - it was 1 noble and 3 kids.

recruting clans from same power level as your kingdom is probably tied to relation between you and clan, and the clan and faction leader, its possible to get nobles for below 600k

At your point though why would you need to recruit them.

I was hoping to recruit them to gain a bigger kingdom without having to go take over another city or castle. Right now all of the cities around me are having about 500-700 defenders and I can only round up about 500 troops with just my clan.

[smokauweeds]

I am using a mod, consider my kingdom for this exact reason.

In my early days as a merc, I made friends on both side of the war. then I waited for my chance to strike, dumped my merc contract, took a few towns that had taken a beating.

Then when I started my kingdom, several clans quite their kingdoms and joined mine. they brought their lands, and armies. jumping me into the war game in a much better position.

people still attack us, not super dominate. but it felt a little more even, and really not to lore breaking, when you think " I made friends, over the years, and they joined up with me later"

[nereksnadu the Rakusan]

Publicado originalmente por Hunzies:

Ya'll keep doing this wrong. If you consider noble's point of view, you have a tiny ♥♥♥♥♥♥ kingdom that recently rebelled away or got created compared to their established one, with at least 3 cities 3 castles or something like that. Of course they will consider this move unreasonable and demand ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from you as compensation. They have some sort of common sense themselves and won't fall into your cliche.

You need to increase your Kingdom's total strenght through gaining more fiefs and hiring mercenary clans as well as creating extra parties with your companions as the first move. Then you need to take these factors before aiming for someone to convince joining you.

To reduce the price needed for a clan to join you, you need to make sure these criterias are met -
-Clan does not hold fiefs
-Clan has a bad relationship with their current Liege
-Clan is part of a weak Kingdom already (Kingdom strenght of 2000 or below should start becoming easy to convince)
-Clan has less than 4 members (at least while you're clanless in the Kingdom).
-YOUR OWN CLAN TIER. See if you can find Tier 3 clans around that meet these criterias. A small Tier 4 clan without fiefs shouldn't cost more than 400K.
-Your own Kingdom strenght is close to their current Liege's kingdom.

Don't forget to get the Reduced Barter Penalty perks whenever available, I think there's only one in Charm perk-tree but it reduces either by 10% or 15%, can't remember. Regardless, you'll need it.

You don't have to hire a specific culture either. Hiring a foreigner clan should be safe for FIef's loyalty, it had never gone below 30 for my newly recruited foreigner clan's town.

This isn't Warband where lords come to you begging for recruitment because you allegedly "treat everyone equally and fair".

Start off small, will ya, greedy bastard.

Extra note - Do not create a kingdom while having less than 300K denars. 100K is small for Bannerlord's standards.

unfortunately the game in its current state doesn't really share this stradegy information with the player. I got to the point in the questline for bannerlord that the conspiracors charged up their bar of conspiracy and now 3 kingdoms are against me raging wars on me and i cannot pay them to end the wars and bring peace. and i only have my one clan that i paid 700,000 denars to have join me. I am not sure if i should just start over with a new character or try to grind cash with smithing to buy more clans or mercenaries at this point

[Memtndude]

Publicado originalmente por nereksnadu the Rakusan:

Publicado originalmente por Hunzies:

Ya'll keep doing this wrong. If you consider noble's point of view, you have a tiny ♥♥♥♥♥♥ kingdom that recently rebelled away or got created compared to their established one, with at least 3 cities 3 castles or something like that. Of course they will consider this move unreasonable and demand ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from you as compensation. They have some sort of common sense themselves and won't fall into your cliche.

You need to increase your Kingdom's total strenght through gaining more fiefs and hiring mercenary clans as well as creating extra parties with your companions as the first move. Then you need to take these factors before aiming for someone to convince joining you.

To reduce the price needed for a clan to join you, you need to make sure these criterias are met -
-Clan does not hold fiefs
-Clan has a bad relationship with their current Liege
-Clan is part of a weak Kingdom already (Kingdom strenght of 2000 or below should start becoming easy to convince)
-Clan has less than 4 members (at least while you're clanless in the Kingdom).
-YOUR OWN CLAN TIER. See if you can find Tier 3 clans around that meet these criterias. A small Tier 4 clan without fiefs shouldn't cost more than 400K.
-Your own Kingdom strenght is close to their current Liege's kingdom.

Don't forget to get the Reduced Barter Penalty perks whenever available, I think there's only one in Charm perk-tree but it reduces either by 10% or 15%, can't remember. Regardless, you'll need it.

You don't have to hire a specific culture either. Hiring a foreigner clan should be safe for FIef's loyalty, it had never gone below 30 for my newly recruited foreigner clan's town.

This isn't Warband where lords come to you begging for recruitment because you allegedly "treat everyone equally and fair".

Start off small, will ya, greedy bastard.

Extra note - Do not create a kingdom while having less than 300K denars. 100K is small for Bannerlord's standards.

unfortunately the game in its current state doesn't really share this stradegy information with the player. I got to the point in the questline for bannerlord that the conspiracors charged up their bar of conspiracy and now 3 kingdoms are against me raging wars on me and i cannot pay them to end the wars and bring peace. and i only have my one clan that i paid 700,000 denars to have join me. I am not sure if i should just start over with a new character or try to grind cash with smithing to buy more clans or mercenaries at this point

Would it not let you keep the conspiracy level down by doing those idiotic side missions?

It let me do that but it would never end, so as soon as the newer beta came out with sandbox I downloaded that and started fresh on a sandbox mode game.


Now, as soon as I got tier 5, it was relatively easy to get people to join my kingdom. Apparently that's a big difference. One costs a lot of denars, but for the most part they are all reasonable amounts now.

[nereksnadu the Rakusan]

i had been doing conspiracy missions but i got tired of them. between having to earn enough denarrs to manage my daily upkeep which was like 2-3k per day, saving up enough denarrs up to eventuelly hire clans and raging the war with southern empire who kept declaring war on me because i took their castles - i ended up failing enough of those conspiracy missions to fill the bar. it seems the bar also slowly goes up even if you do complete the conspiracy missions.

i played on a bit, it is still playable. but i am worried that when my Quest progress with the wars with the kingdoms goes to -100, do i simply get a gameover or what? khurtians are at -67 right now