Whats the best overal army (beside battania)

[Xequilibrium]

Topic, anyone knows?

Thanks :)

[CEPHY]

So far I really like Vlandian Cavalry. I'm planning on trying out the sturgians, next.

[EmpressMelanie]

No two people anywhere can seem to agree on this. I'd say Vlandia as long as a player is controlling it since its crossbows need special handling.

Overall probably Aserai since all their troops range from decent to really good even under the AI.

[ᴍᴜꜱʜ-ᴄʀÆᴍ?]

Best beside Battania, insinuating Battania is the best overall army? Don't get me wrong, Battania is my favourite faction and certainly seems them best overall - just didnt realise this was the general opinion and notion of others.

[Xequilibrium]

Originally posted by wys-Heathy:

Best beside Battania, insinuating Battania is the best overall army? Don't get me wrong, Battania is my favourite faction and certainly seems them best overall - just didnt realise this was the general opinion and notion of others.

The reason i said that is cuz i play them already and just everone picks them cuz theyre OP atm. The only factions i dont like are the empire and the sturgians.

[EmpressMelanie]

Originally posted by Xequilibrium:

Originally posted by wys-Heathy:

Best beside Battania, insinuating Battania is the best overall army? Don't get me wrong, Battania is my favourite faction and certainly seems them best overall - just didnt realise this was the general opinion and notion of others.

The reason i said that is cuz i play them already and just everone picks them cuz theyre OP atm. The only factions i dont like are the empire and the sturgians.

I don't know about Battania being op, a decent cavalry force can cause them all kinds of havok and they don't have a very good answer. Their solid if you can get a lot of their unique archers, and keep them alive, and get to good terrain that lets them shoot but somehow protects them from cavalry, but those are hard things to do all at once.

Sturgians are quite a bit better in 1.6.0, unique units were added to more villages so its a lot easier to field more cavalry which even the AI does. Their pretty annoying to fight with cavalry now too since their most basic soldiers all have shields and pikes so its a lot harder to just mow them down.

I don't know whats going on with Empire. On paper their armies look quite good but they tend to get their #*## handed to them.

[Xequilibrium]

Originally posted by Glory:

Originally posted by Xequilibrium:

The reason i said that is cuz i play them already and just everone picks them cuz theyre OP atm. The only factions i dont like are the empire and the sturgians.

I don't know about Battania being op, a decent cavalry force can cause them all kinds of havok and they don't have a very good answer. Their solid if you can get a lot of their unique archers, and keep them alive, and get to good terrain that lets them shoot but somehow protects them from cavalry, but those are hard things to do all at once.

Sturgians are quite a bit better in 1.6.0, unique units were added to more villages so its a lot easier to field more cavalry which even the AI does. Their pretty annoying to fight with cavalry now too since their most basic soldiers all have shields and pikes so its a lot harder to just mow them down.

I don't know whats going on with Empire. On paper their armies look quite good but they tend to get their #*## handed to them.

Thnx bro,

What do you think about the khuziat and aserai? Ohh and vlandians

[EmpressMelanie]

Khuzaits do exactly what their expected. Lots and lots and lots of good, and cheap, horse archers and some decent melee ones too. That is about it though, they can kill just about anything on an open field with little to no loses but in towns and sieges or rough terrain anywhere they can't use their mobility they struggle.

Aserai are kind of like empire. They have decent units across the board, infantry, archers and both types of Cavalry but their not great at anything. For some reason the AI tends to do much better with Aserai armies than empire ones but I'm not too sure why.

Vlandians are odd. Mass crossbows are very brutal and they have some very strong melee cavalry. Both of those units need to be trained up though to be really good and all of Vlandia's infantry are kind of crap. So you end up with an army thats very strong if you get it trained up but is very hard to replace losses.

[5-6-5-7-7-7-4-3-4-6-089-9]

Are you asking about best army or best kingdom? Because it sounds like best kingdom. Ignoring the Battania(and they are not the best on account of poor armor) it's either Empire or Aserai.

[Xequilibrium]

Originally posted by < blank >:

Are you asking about best army or best kingdom? Because it sounds like best kingdom. Ignoring the Battania(and they are not the best on account of poor armor) it's either Empire or Aserai.

Well kinda overall, but especially in battle preformance... Like how does a full aserai or full vlandian army preform in all scenarios. Which does best if you count field battles, sieges, forest battles, hideouts etc.

[Xequilibrium]

Originally posted by Glory:

Khuzaits do exactly what their expected. Lots and lots and lots of good, and cheap, horse archers and some decent melee ones too. That is about it though, they can kill just about anything on an open field with little to no loses but in towns and sieges or rough terrain anywhere they can't use their mobility they struggle.

Aserai are kind of like empire. They have decent units across the board, infantry, archers and both types of Cavalry but their not great at anything. For some reason the AI tends to do much better with Aserai armies than empire ones but I'm not too sure why.

Vlandians are odd. Mass crossbows are very brutal and they have some very strong melee cavalry. Both of those units need to be trained up though to be really good and all of Vlandia's infantry are kind of crap. So you end up with an army thats very strong if you get it trained up but is very hard to replace losses.

Ahh i see , thnx :)

[RPG]

I think there's no "best overall army" each culture has pros and cons but for me.. Battanian Fian Champions, either Vlandian Banner Knights/Imperial Elite Cataphracts or both, Khuzaits Khan's Guard, and either Imperial Legionary/Sturgian Heavy Axeman. That's my line up and it shreds enemy's army... mostly heavy on Archers and Cavalry.

[Xequilibrium]

Originally posted by RPG:

I think there's no "best overall army" each culture has pros and cons but for me.. Battanian Fian Champions, either Vlandian Banner Knights/Imperial Elite Cataphracts or both, Khuzaits Khan's Guard, and either Imperial Legionary/Sturgian Heavy Axeman. That's my line up and it shreds enemy's army... mostly heavy on Archers and Cavalry.

Yeah full nobles is strong and fun , but i want to use one culture specific for rp reasons

[Alyiakal]

If you are asking in order to run a monoculture army game for yourself, then I would say Empire is probably your best bet. Imperial Legionaries are the best infantry in the game, and the Elite Cataphract is arguably the best noble heavy cavalry in the game. Imperial archery leaves a little something to be desired, as the Palatine Guards don't have enough arrows and don't do enough damage versus other foot archers, but they do have access to Crossbows. They are not as good as Vlandian Sharpshooters, but they are the only other faction in the game to have crossbows. They also have a non-noble horse archer unit in the Buccallerii; I'm not personally a huge fan, but they are better than a mounted skirmisher in my opinion.

There's also the logistical advantage of having three times a much territory as the other cultures to replenish your troops in.

I think the reason that the AI does so badly with Imperial armies is because they are fighting on all fronts usually, and they never have very high tier units. Low level units are fodder for most armies, but Empire seems very vulnerable to this. They also don't have unit specialization until tier 4 (where Trained Infantry splits to Veteran Infantry and Menavliaton, and Trained Archer splits to Veteran Archer and Crossbowman), so they have no spear units and no crossbows until tier 4, where every other army seems to have at least some specialization at tier 3. Even their noble units are incredibly weak to start out with, with the Viglas not even being mounted units yet. So I think the issue with the Empire is that there high tier units are very powerful and very balanced, but until they get there, their low tier units are weaker.

If you're looking for what AI army seems to perform best, I would say the Aserai are probably the best performing one I've seen. Most of Aserai territory protected and generally doesn't get raided, so they have good access to replenish their armies. They also have an abundance of horses in their territory, and it shows with the abundance of cavalry that they field, most of which are actually horse archers because the common mounted Mameluke line ends in a horse archer. They also have a serviceable, if not spectacular, foot unit lineup, which can actually do a lot of damage if your troops get distracted dealing with the various mounted threats the Aserai can throw at you.

[Onimaho]

Everyone ignores that the Aseri have armored fanatics wielding a "bardiche" and a love of all things javelin.

They are basically Battania (even their shields are tall and oval), but gave up overpowered archers for cavalry.

[djo1313]

Overall,unless you enjoy not being able to get into battles because you can't find enough recruits, it is empire.