The Ultimate Glaive!

[Seeking Solace]

This is a follow up post to: https://steamcommunity.com/app/261550/discussions/0/4068391194352207342/

I decided to share my glaive because in the last post relating to my ultimate sword design, people commented that it would be bad to use on horseback. But of course it is! It was designed to be used solely on foot because I had a far superior weapon to be used on horseback:

https://imgur.com/a/dm7eqCg

Parts:

• Fine Steel Falx Blade.
  
• Double Hook Wings.
  
• Decorated Long Pine Shaft.
  
• Spiked Round Spear Pommel. (Decorative)

This blade is the only blade that has a bonus against shields. There are three other blades that have a higher swing damage factor, however, two of them have horrible swing speed-length ratios while the third, the T5 "Long Glaive Head," had slightly better stats but was not picked purely on the fact that it lacks the bonus against shields. The bonus against shields is significant for glaives because you WILL be blocked from time to time. Might as well make each hit count by breaking their shields!

The "Decorated Long Pine Shaft" has the best length-speed ratio by far and there's no competition. The "Double Hook Wings" have the fastest speed. All parts have been sized down to the max except the hook, which remained at the medium size.

Looking at the stats, you might quickly notice that it's pretty much a copy-pasted Rhomphalia. That's because it really is. The Rhomphalia by default is a min-maxed weapon that's using all the weapon parts mentioned here. It's the most expensive melee weapon by far, so expensive in fact it hits the weapon price cap, which is 300985 gold.

Thing is though, this custom weapon can be crafted in mass and doesn't require you to find it or have the gold for it. Also, in comparison, this custom weapon has -5 length, +1 swing speed, and +1 handling. It can have even more stats when the "master smith" perk triggers. My "masterwork" variant stats:

Weight: 1.4
Swing Speed: 72
Swing Damage: 175
Length: 198
Handling: 61

An absolute beast of a weapon. Long enough, swings really fast, and each swing is a kill or a shield break. THIS is why I don't use a sword on horseback. The sword I shared before still reigns supreme when it comes to on-foot combat though.

[Haddon]

Eww, too long (completely useless off horse, or in forests, or going downhill) and slow and terrible handling. "Swings really fast"? 72 is hella slow. Mine is 84 speed, 145 cut, and 185 length, 71 handling. Your swing damage is just massive overkill, you are gonna be doing way, way over the max HP, but doing it super slow compared to mine, and absolutely won't be able to hit dudes nearer to you with maximum damage.

[Seeking Solace]

Originally posted by Haddon:

Eww, too long (completely useless off horse, or in forests, or going downhill) and slow and terrible handling. "Swings really fast"? 72 is hella slow. Mine is 84 speed, 145 cut, and 185 length, 71 handling. Your swing damage is just massive overkill, you are gonna be doing way, way over the max HP, but doing it super slow compared to mine, and absolutely won't be able to hit dudes nearer to you with maximum damage.

Wait, really? How did you get that length with that speed/handling? Can you share the parts?

[Haddon]

Originally posted by -Solace-:

Originally posted by Haddon:

Eww, too long (completely useless off horse, or in forests, or going downhill) and slow and terrible handling. "Swings really fast"? 72 is hella slow. Mine is 84 speed, 145 cut, and 185 length, 71 handling. Your swing damage is just massive overkill, you are gonna be doing way, way over the max HP, but doing it super slow compared to mine, and absolutely won't be able to hit dudes nearer to you with maximum damage.

Wait, really? How did you get that length with that speed/handling? Can you share the parts?

I don't remember what the parts were, I'll go see if I can figure it out.

Edit: warrazor head at max size, hardened ash shaft at min size, no wings. Made probably 30 of them before I got the masterwork speed I wanted.

[Seeking Solace]

The Warrazor is indeed a very fast and long blade. Tbh I didn't notice it. I appreciate your input.

I just came to the realization that length as a whole is pointless. I did constantly kill more enemies with a faster blade indeed. No non-spear user can outreach lengths over 160. Not to mention that the handling sweet spot zone gets more tricky with longer glaives. Speed, handling, and damage are the only variables to look for.

So... I created a new glaive! It has the following base stats (on the left), in comparison to your glaive's base stats (on the right, based on the recipe you gave me):

Weight: 1.7 || 1.9
Reach: 161 || 168
Speed: 83 || 81
Damage: 160 || 148
Handling: 72 || 71
Bonus vs Shields: Yes || No

I think there's no competition here. :P

Components:

• Fine Steel Falx Blade. (Smallest size)
  
• Eastern Double Spear Wings. (A little smaller)
  
• Pine Spear Shaft. (Smallest size)

The reason I picked that blade over the one used in yours is because, in this setup, it provides +9 reach, +31 damage, and the bonus against shields but loses -9 speed and -7 handling.

You might argue that the significant damage advantage is not worth the loss in speed but I disagree, since a non-perfect/bad handled cut at a bad relative speed will not be dealing full damage and a heavily armored unit can easily survive a hit. That significant damage boost gives you a much bigger room for error.

Also, pair the very high damage numbers and the bonus against shields and you get a weapon that shatters shields with great efficiency in 1-2 hits. Also, more damage is always great against horses.

As for the shaft, it was picked simply because it had the fastest swing speed of all. The length was too short (148), so I added the wings. That was +13 length +3 damage, at the cost of -3 speed -2 handling. Overall, I think it's worth it since I don't feel safe using a glaive that short.

So... Ultimate Glaive decided? :P

Edit: Replacing the Falx Blade with the "Long Glaive Head," which has the best damage factor overall, grants the following stats:

Weight: 1.5
Reach: 157
Speed: 88
Damage: 162
Handling: 76
Bonus vs Shields: No

Much faster, more damaging, batter handling, weights less, can be thrusted if ever need be, and can be used one-handed. The stat difference is too big so we might actually go with that over the bonus against shields of the Falx Blade.

[Haddon]

Originally posted by -Solace-:

The Warrazor is indeed a very fast and long blade. Tbh I didn't notice it. I appreciate your input.

I just came to the realization that length as a whole is pointless. I did constantly kill more enemies with a faster blade indeed. No non-spear user can outreach lengths over 160. Not to mention that the handling sweet spot zone gets more tricky with longer glaives. Speed, handling, and damage are the only variables to look for.

So... I created a new glaive! It has the following base stats (on the left), in comparison to your glaive's base stats (on the right, based on the recipe you gave me):

Weight: 1.7 || 1.9
Reach: 161 || 168
Speed: 83 || 81
Damage: 160 || 148
Handling: 72 || 71
Bonus vs Shields: Yes || No

I think there's no competition here. :P

Components:

• Fine Steel Falx Blade. (Smallest size)
  
• Eastern Double Spear Wings. (A little smaller)
  
• Pine Spear Shaft. (Smallest size)

The reason I picked that blade over the one used in yours is because, in this setup, it provides +9 reach, +31 damage, and the bonus against shields but loses -9 speed and -7 handling.

You might argue that the significant damage advantage is not worth the loss in speed but I disagree, since a non-perfect/bad handled cut at a bad relative speed will not be dealing full damage and a heavily armored unit can easily survive a hit. That significant damage boost gives you a much bigger room for error.

Also, pair the very high damage numbers and the bonus against shields and you get a weapon that shatters shields with great efficiency in 1-2 hits. Also, more damage is always great against horses.

As for the shaft, it was picked simply because it had the fastest swing speed of all. The length was too short (148), so I added the wings. That was +13 length +3 damage, at the cost of -3 speed -2 handling. Overall, I think it's worth it since I don't feel safe using a glaive that short.

So... Ultimate Glaive decided? :P

Edit: Replacing the Falx Blade with the "Long Glaive Head," which has the best damage factor overall, grants the following stats:

Weight: 1.5
Reach: 157
Speed: 88
Damage: 162
Handling: 76
Bonus vs Shields: No

Much faster, more damaging, batter handling, weights less, can be thrusted if ever need be, and can be used one-handed. The stat difference is too big so we might actually go with that over the bonus against shields of the Falx Blade.

The bonus vs shields doesn't make any difference for me, because I use Realistic Battle mod. I also really love the thrusting (as my secondary weapon is a 2h executioner axe, nice to have thrust for heavy armor with that mod), and it is quite nice to be able to couch my falx (haha, what?!) since armor makes such a massive difference with my mod.

I triied out the Long Glaive, used it for most of the game, but the head being shorter makes it a little bit harder to use with a chop, and because the Realistic Battle mod makes headshots do so much more than body, I use a lot of chop. It also just feels way cooler. I keep most of my companions in group 8 (which I set to ~ key for ease of use) and use them sort of as an elite shock cavalry, and having all 10 of us wielding these mega-falxes just looks and feels so damn cool!

[Crim]

Damn, I want to take part of this competition, but I've manually edited some of my parts

[Haddon]

Originally posted by Talamare:

Damn, I want to take part of this competition, but I've manually edited some of my parts

Haha, I did that with a crossbow to be able to reload much faster and on horseback (but weakened the damage so it wasn't so OP). But then I decided to make one that fires 5 bolts, with a quick reload, and can be used with 0 crossbow, and then put it on all my companions and we went a-murderin'! But then I fought some Vlandians who had the xbow and they tore through us so I had to revert it. I lost over 200 men in that one battle to crossbows (well, dead and injured total).

[Seeking Solace]

Originally posted by Haddon:

I triied out the Long Glaive, used it for most of the game, but the head being shorter makes it a little bit harder to use with a chop, and because the Realistic Battle mod makes headshots do so much more than body, I use a lot of chop. It also just feels way cooler. I keep most of my companions in group 8 (which I set to ~ key for ease of use) and use them sort of as an elite shock cavalry, and having all 10 of us wielding these mega-falxes just looks and feels so damn cool!

That makes no sense. The "Long Glaive Head" is longer than the blade you're using. You're making up excuses for your glaive design at this point. There's literally no reason whatsoever to go for the "Warrazor" here. :P

Sorry for the necropost. I only noticed the replies in this thread just now lol.

[Raxo]

gotta take a long time to get smithing that high :D

[Crim]

Originally posted by Chefen:

gotta take a long time to get smithing that high :D

No, twice
Smithing level doesn't matter... like at all
Smithing is insanely easy to level, like 20 mins to get it at over 200

[Haddon]

Originally posted by -Solace-:

Originally posted by Haddon:

I triied out the Long Glaive, used it for most of the game, but the head being shorter makes it a little bit harder to use with a chop, and because the Realistic Battle mod makes headshots do so much more than body, I use a lot of chop. It also just feels way cooler. I keep most of my companions in group 8 (which I set to ~ key for ease of use) and use them sort of as an elite shock cavalry, and having all 10 of us wielding these mega-falxes just looks and feels so damn cool!

That makes no sense. The "Long Glaive Head" is longer than the blade you're using. You're making up excuses for your glaive design at this point. There's literally no reason whatsoever to go for the "Warrazor" here. :P

Sorry for the necropost. I only noticed the replies in this thread just now lol.

The long glaive head is not longer than the war razor head1...something like 1/5 of its length isn't actual blade. The entire length of the war razor head1 is blade. The "length" statistic isn't the only thing that matters. Although the war razor head1 has a length of 80, long glaive 68. The war razor head sucks, the one I use is the mis-named Rhomphaia head. Sorry, I said war razor head at first. That one sucks. All of the straight blades suck. I suppose this piece could be from one of my mods, but I don't think so.

[Raxo]

Originally posted by Talamare:

Originally posted by Chefen:

gotta take a long time to get smithing that high :D

No, twice
Smithing level doesn't matter... like at all
Smithing is insanely easy to level, like 20 mins to get it at over 200

really? what about unlocking all the recipies and stuff :0

[Crim]

Originally posted by Chefen:

Originally posted by Talamare:

No, twice
Smithing level doesn't matter... like at all
Smithing is insanely easy to level, like 20 mins to get it at over 200

really? what about unlocking all the recipies and stuff :0

Unlocking Recipes is stupid near impossibly difficult
Make sure you grab the stupid curiosity perks

You will be deep into your max before you unlock it all, hell, before you unlock half of it

[Azaz Bee Bard]

Originally posted by -Solace-:

The Warrazor is indeed a very fast and long blade. Tbh I didn't notice it. I appreciate your input.

I just came to the realization that length as a whole is pointless. I did constantly kill more enemies with a faster blade indeed. No non-spear user can outreach lengths over 160. Not to mention that the handling sweet spot zone gets more tricky with longer glaives. Speed, handling, and damage are the only variables to look for.

So... I created a new glaive! It has the following base stats (on the left), in comparison to your glaive's base stats (on the right, based on the recipe you gave me):

Weight: 1.7 || 1.9
Reach: 161 || 168
Speed: 83 || 81
Damage: 160 || 148
Handling: 72 || 71
Bonus vs Shields: Yes || No

I think there's no competition here. :P

Components:

• Fine Steel Falx Blade. (Smallest size)
  
• Eastern Double Spear Wings. (A little smaller)
  
• Pine Spear Shaft. (Smallest size)

The reason I picked that blade over the one used in yours is because, in this setup, it provides +9 reach, +31 damage, and the bonus against shields but loses -9 speed and -7 handling.

You might argue that the significant damage advantage is not worth the loss in speed but I disagree, since a non-perfect/bad handled cut at a bad relative speed will not be dealing full damage and a heavily armored unit can easily survive a hit. That significant damage boost gives you a much bigger room for error.

Also, pair the very high damage numbers and the bonus against shields and you get a weapon that shatters shields with great efficiency in 1-2 hits. Also, more damage is always great against horses.

As for the shaft, it was picked simply because it had the fastest swing speed of all. The length was too short (148), so I added the wings. That was +13 length +3 damage, at the cost of -3 speed -2 handling. Overall, I think it's worth it since I don't feel safe using a glaive that short.

So... Ultimate Glaive decided? :P

Edit: Replacing the Falx Blade with the "Long Glaive Head," which has the best damage factor overall, grants the following stats:

Weight: 1.5
Reach: 157
Speed: 88
Damage: 162
Handling: 76
Bonus vs Shields: No

Much faster, more damaging, batter handling, weights less, can be thrusted if ever need be, and can be used one-handed. The stat difference is too big so we might actually go with that over the bonus against shields of the Falx Blade.

I can't find these parts, did they change the names of all of them? Or did you use different names in your post?

[RJboxer]

Originally posted by Azaz Bee Bard:

Originally posted by -Solace-:

The Warrazor is indeed a very fast and long blade. Tbh I didn't notice it. I appreciate your input.

I just came to the realization that length as a whole is pointless. I did constantly kill more enemies with a faster blade indeed. No non-spear user can outreach lengths over 160. Not to mention that the handling sweet spot zone gets more tricky with longer glaives. Speed, handling, and damage are the only variables to look for.

So... I created a new glaive! It has the following base stats (on the left), in comparison to your glaive's base stats (on the right, based on the recipe you gave me):

Weight: 1.7 || 1.9
Reach: 161 || 168
Speed: 83 || 81
Damage: 160 || 148
Handling: 72 || 71
Bonus vs Shields: Yes || No

I think there's no competition here. :P

Components:

• Fine Steel Falx Blade. (Smallest size)
  
• Eastern Double Spear Wings. (A little smaller)
  
• Pine Spear Shaft. (Smallest size)

The reason I picked that blade over the one used in yours is because, in this setup, it provides +9 reach, +31 damage, and the bonus against shields but loses -9 speed and -7 handling.

You might argue that the significant damage advantage is not worth the loss in speed but I disagree, since a non-perfect/bad handled cut at a bad relative speed will not be dealing full damage and a heavily armored unit can easily survive a hit. That significant damage boost gives you a much bigger room for error.

Also, pair the very high damage numbers and the bonus against shields and you get a weapon that shatters shields with great efficiency in 1-2 hits. Also, more damage is always great against horses.

As for the shaft, it was picked simply because it had the fastest swing speed of all. The length was too short (148), so I added the wings. That was +13 length +3 damage, at the cost of -3 speed -2 handling. Overall, I think it's worth it since I don't feel safe using a glaive that short.

So... Ultimate Glaive decided? :P

Edit: Replacing the Falx Blade with the "Long Glaive Head," which has the best damage factor overall, grants the following stats:

Weight: 1.5
Reach: 157
Speed: 88
Damage: 162
Handling: 76
Bonus vs Shields: No

Much faster, more damaging, batter handling, weights less, can be thrusted if ever need be, and can be used one-handed. The stat difference is too big so we might actually go with that over the bonus against shields of the Falx Blade.

I can't find these parts, did they change the names of all of them? Or did you use different names in your post?

This is a 3 year old necro. yeah.. stuff changed.

Fun fact, it wasnt the best glaive then either.

Best glaive??? Long glaive. nuff said.

Wanna craft one? Craft one with long glaive parts.. and tweak length until u get what u want.

End of story.

Too much to remember. Just buy a Long glaive from Khuzait towns.