No Black people?

[Brother Lao]

So i was wondering why are there no African themed nations within Bannerlord, as we have a good representation of most other things throughout the factions. While i was looking up other Players Charactors codes to see what people had made, i came across
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/3174/images/372/372-1586469930-180522096.png

Now ive thrown some leopard pelts on him, given him some throwing Knives, he looks badass!
I really would of enjoyed playing a Numidain Faction or something Similar.... Maybe Zulu Ish?

Just strange to me we have all these cultures and styles, but nothing to represent the African Tribes or Similar.

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[Mr. Bitches]

I wouldn't be surprised if more factions are added. There's plenty of empty room on the world map

[Jack Niggleson]

Laoshu eredeti hozzászólása:

So i was wondering why are there no African themed nations within Bannerlord, as we have a good representation of most other things throughout the factions. While i was looking up other Players Charactors codes to see what people had made, i came across
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/3174/images/372/372-1586469930-180522096.png

Now ive thrown some leopard pelts on him, given him some throwing Knives, he looks badass!
I really would of enjoyed playing a Numidain Faction or something Similar.... Maybe Zulu Ish?

Just strange to me we have all these cultures and styles, but nothing to represent the African Tribes or Similar.

What a dumb post. Calradia is fantasy medieval Anatolia, not fantasy central Africa, so of course it isn't full of black Africans. How is that even a question anyone would ask? Also FYI "Numidia" was located in what's now parts of Algeria, Tunisia and Libya. If you've ever been to or met anyone from those countries you'd know that they aren't "black" either culturally or physically.

Get out of here with your woke concern trolling ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Zerosaiko]

I do remember a large stretch of the desert being empty, though adding a second major faction there would probably require a rearrangement of existing Aserai towns unless we want a second Vlandia backed into a corner. Maybe a minor faction, though they've been downgraded in the beta.

[Mr. Bitches]

Nugget Head eredeti hozzászólása:

Laoshu eredeti hozzászólása:

So i was wondering why are there no African themed nations within Bannerlord, as we have a good representation of most other things throughout the factions. While i was looking up other Players Charactors codes to see what people had made, i came across
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/3174/images/372/372-1586469930-180522096.png

Now ive thrown some leopard pelts on him, given him some throwing Knives, he looks badass!
I really would of enjoyed playing a Numidain Faction or something Similar.... Maybe Zulu Ish?

Just strange to me we have all these cultures and styles, but nothing to represent the African Tribes or Similar.

What a dumb post. Calradia is fantasy medieval Anatolia, not fantasy central Africa, so of course it isn't full of black Africans. How is that even a question anyone would ask? Also FYI "Numidia" was located in what's now parts of Algeria, Tunisia and Libya. If you've ever been to or met anyone from those countries you'd know that they aren't "black" either culturally or physically.

Get out of here with your woke concern trolling ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Dude asked an honest question and you freak out. Real mature

[Haddon]

Nugget Head eredeti hozzászólása:

Laoshu eredeti hozzászólása:

So i was wondering why are there no African themed nations within Bannerlord, as we have a good representation of most other things throughout the factions. While i was looking up other Players Charactors codes to see what people had made, i came across
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/3174/images/372/372-1586469930-180522096.png

Now ive thrown some leopard pelts on him, given him some throwing Knives, he looks badass!
I really would of enjoyed playing a Numidain Faction or something Similar.... Maybe Zulu Ish?

Just strange to me we have all these cultures and styles, but nothing to represent the African Tribes or Similar.

What a dumb post. Calradia is fantasy medieval Anatolia, not fantasy central Africa, so of course it isn't full of black Africans. How is that even a question anyone would ask? Also FYI "Numidia" was located in what's now parts of Algeria, Tunisia and Libya. If you've ever been to or met anyone from those countries you'd know that they aren't "black" either culturally or physically.

Get out of here with your woke concern trolling ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

He probably meant Nubia.

And medieval Anatolia? Yeah boy, those Battanians and Sturgians sure fit in in medieval Anatolia...and those Vlandians based on the Normans, who never controlled land in Anatolia (unless you count Cilicia being under their nominal control due to marriage, but never actually being out of the hands of the Armenians that moved there). I think the game is based on the medieval Mediterranean and Black Sea...plus Battanians.

[I got 1984'd]

The game is based on fantasy western and eastern europe. Not Africa.

[Morkonan]

Laoshu eredeti hozzászólása:

So i was wondering why are there no African themed nations within Bannerlord, ...

Because the inspirational sources for most factions come from European history. There are some Eastern/Eastern Med. sorts of influences as well. But, those are also intimately intertwined with European history. Most of the "periods" that these cultures are slotted into reflect a "Medievalish" sort of style. Factions that can be playable in a sensible way, given the weapons and materials these fanciful factions may sensibly have access to, are somewhat limited.

It would not impress players to have a Zulu'ish faction, for instance, because they'd likely be steamrolled as leopard skins worn by decorated warriors with untanned hide shields wouldn't provide much protection against a mounted knight's lance or heavy crossbow bolts. As "light skirmishers" they might be effective, but that's only "just as effective" as existing "light skirmisher" classes of troops... which means "not effective in Bannerlord."

We should consider the "broken Empire" theme. IMO, it's there that one could reflect some sort of cultural differences with very good effect. The Southern Empire, for instance, could and should have unique Auxillae that reflect the Southern Mediterranean cultures in a sort of "Roman Empire" theme. There, some troop types with a more Central African kind of cultural theme might be realistically found.

Keep in mind that "continent" does not equate to "race." For instance, many cultures in/around the African continent that border/interact with Mediterranean cultures have strong Greek/Arabic racial profiles. It seems the Greeks were very... uh... They had a lot of wine-drinking parties.

The Western Empire could partly reflect a sort of Spanish Moor Auxillae unit, but that's a tiny bit later of a period. Even so, and I'm no expert, that's a more Caucasian/Aribic sort of base if one wishes to isolate "races" to specific "cultures."

Also, keep in mind this - There are plenty of Lords of various racial heritages that are members of factions that differ from what one may think their heritage would dictate.

PS: I'm strongly in favor of more flavor... Specifically, I expect Empire factions to have Auxillae that give them unique units that reflect their power centers being in very different regions. These units would be sparse, but just so these units could have unique advantages/disadvantages and little in the way of complex balancing would have to be done. So what if the Southern Empire can only have a few Elephant War-Machine units? :) They're terrifying, but they'd quickly be subjected to attrition if used too often as replenishment opportunities would be a "rare" event.

PPS: If this is just a wild cast into the ocean of trolling, I won't participate further. If, however, it's a serious attempt at a discussion, then I'd encourage the OP to think about "Auxillae" and the possibilities present there. I don't think TW will develop auxillae due to overall load issues on a large battlefield, though. (They'd have to look unique and "special" and that's going to require new texture/model stuffs.) We'll just have to wait for the release version and a decent "Imperial Auxillarum" mod.

[Haddon]

Burn@Stake eredeti hozzászólása:

The game is based on fantasy western and eastern europe. Not Africa.

The Aserai? Very clearly based on Arabs and Persians. Guess where they lived? Not Europe (well, except Sicily and Spain to a degree).

[Morkonan]

Haddon eredeti hozzászólása:

Burn@Stake eredeti hozzászólása:

The game is based on fantasy western and eastern europe. Not Africa.

The Aserai? Very clearly based on Arabs and Persians. Guess where they lived? Not Europe (well, except Sicily and Spain to a degree).

But, these cultures were very influential in the region and represented a huge "Empire" in its own right. (At times, more of a "cultural empire" than singular, but the influence was fairly constant.) There was this whole "Crusades" thing, too, we have to think about. The portrayal of such a culture is entirely consistent with the likely source material for most of the factions that have all be kind of "period balanced" so they have sensible military capabilities/equipment/etc.

[Haddon]

Morkonan eredeti hozzászólása:

Haddon eredeti hozzászólása:

The Aserai? Very clearly based on Arabs and Persians. Guess where they lived? Not Europe (well, except Sicily and Spain to a degree).

But, these cultures were very influential in the region and represented a huge "Empire" in its own right. (At times, more of a "cultural empire" than singular, but the influence was fairly constant.) There was this whole "Crusades" thing, too, we have to think about. The portrayal of such a culture is entirely consistent with the likely source material for most of the factions that have all be kind of "period balanced" so they have sensible military capabilities/equipment/etc.

My point was the game isn't based on Europe, it is based on Europe, North Africa, and the Near East.

[THE-MARINER]

Africa in the medieval period had no black nations capable of defying middle eastern or western power. Egypt was Arabic and on the cusp of the middle east so don't bring them up either. You could have a tribal African nation but they would get their asses kicked so disproportionately that it would be considered a hate crime.

[I got 1984'd]

Haddon eredeti hozzászólása:

Burn@Stake eredeti hozzászólása:

The game is based on fantasy western and eastern europe. Not Africa.

The Aserai? Very clearly based on Arabs and Persians. Guess where they lived? Not Europe (well, except Sicily and Spain to a degree).

Fair enough. The Aserai and other eastern factions are surely of Anatolia, Mediterranean palestine and egypt.

[Haddon]

Burn@Stake eredeti hozzászólása:

Haddon eredeti hozzászólása:

The Aserai? Very clearly based on Arabs and Persians. Guess where they lived? Not Europe (well, except Sicily and Spain to a degree).

Fair enough. The Aserai and other eastern factions are surely of Anatolia, Mediterranean palestine and egypt.

Their equipment is fairly heavily influenced by both Persian and Moroccan elements. As do some names. The Aserai are based on really everywhere the Arabs moved into, except Spain and Sicily. From NW Africa, over to Egypt, and all the way over to Persia (like those maces and helmets are absolutely Persian).

Space-Kin-Shadow eredeti hozzászólása:

Africa in the medieval period had no black nations capable of defying middle eastern or western power. Egypt was Arabic and on the cusp of the middle east so don't bring them up either. You could have a tribal African nation but they would get their asses kicked so disproportionately that it would be considered a hate crime.

You clearly know very little about African history. Capable of defying the Byzantines or Abbasids, no, but an army capable of dealing with one of their armies? Yes. Here is a bit about Great Zimbabwe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Zimbabwe. Mali had a pretty significant and powerful empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire The Aksum/Axum lasted into the Early Middle Ages, but they did have numerous smaller, but still powerful, highly advanced, and very wealthy kingdoms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Aksum Later, yet another empire came up in Ethiopia, which lasted (sort of) until the modern era. Somalia had a couple Sultanates and then an empire, though they were small for what we consider an empire, but they were a powerful trading empire in the Indian Ocean, Persian Gulf region. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Sultanate

Coastal Africa has had kingdoms and empires. The whole continent isn't desert, savannah and jungle.

[Dan]

I don't know if this a woke post to force inclusion or what....but here we go. Bannerlord, as many have said already is a fantasy medieval Europe and the peoples and conflicts that happened there. Which would include the Persians, Ottomans/Turks, Greeks, Romans, Goths, Franks, Huns, Mongols, Germanic/Frankish Tribes, and the Saxons/Britans. Which, in my eyes makes perfect sense to their real life to Bannerlord interpretations.

Bannerlord is already inclusive to the max, they have light to dark folks and they threw in Asians as well?! Holy, its literally like the one game I've ever played where there were Asians, Europeans, and Middle Eastern folks in one game.